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實比較有助於緩解這種隱形歧視的狀況。","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T11:26:26.092000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:26:28.614000+08:00","text":"因為是法的層次，我們當然會執法，也會落實法遵。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T11:26:29.394000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:26:51.607000+08:00","text":"第二個，在整體職場文化的部分還是必須透過制度的設計，雖然現在以日請的育嬰留停，男性增加比較多，但我們不是只看男、女各一半就很開心，我們知道當男性增加比較多的時候，對於過去集中承擔照顧責任的女性，在壓力上面也會得到緩解。","quality":0.82},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T11:26:51.807000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:26:56.550000+08:00","text":"第二個，也可能減少她被集中做排除的風險。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-06-03T11:26:56.550000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:27:03.474000+08:00","text":"因為時間的關係，希望勞動部能夠提供三項資料給我，產假延長補助的財務估算……","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T11:27:03.474000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T11:27:04.474000+08:00","text":"我們可以提供。","quality":0},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-06-03T11:27:04.074000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:27:07.596000+08:00","text":"中小企業申請補助流程的草案……","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T11:27:07.596000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T11:27:08.717000+08:00","text":"我們也可以提供。","quality":0},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-06-03T11:27:08.717000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:27:11.058000+08:00","text":"防止育齡女性就業歧視的具體措施。好。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-06-03T11:27:12.159000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:27:26.929000+08:00","text":"第二個，我們剛才說的育孫留職停薪沒有在這次的考量內，不過我先讓部長知道，現在都會區大概有1%到5%是隔代教養，而在偏鄉是15%到22%，所以這個loading非常大。","quality":0.845},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-06-03T11:27:27.489000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:27:41.198000+08:00","text":"經過我們估算，現在第一次當祖父母的年齡大概是54.5歲，其實祖父母都還在工作時就必須承擔實質上的育孫工作。","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-06-03T11:27:41.938000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:27:48.863000+08:00","text":"因此我認為是否應該評估……如果0到6歲不行，是不是可以針對照顧0到3歲的孫子女？","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-06-03T11:27:50.064000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:27:55.987000+08:00","text":"如果父母親確實因工作而有照顧困難，是不是提出祖父母實際照顧的事實就可以申請？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-06-03T11:27:56.928000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:28:06.314000+08:00","text":"以及如何避免父母跟祖父母重複領取津貼，然後先從有津貼留停這個部分或者是部分津貼試辦開始。","quality":0.881},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰：跟委員說明","start":"2026-06-03T11:28:09.177000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:28:47.068000+08:00","text":"第一個，因為育嬰留停的制度是源自於民法跟兒少權益保障法裡面明定父母對於子女的保護跟教養的義務，這是基於法定的權利義務關係而來的，剛剛講民法跟兒少權利保護法裡面，其實它的框定是父母有責任跟義務，也因為這樣，所以我們必須要設計留停的機制，讓父母有一定的權利去行使他在照顧小孩上面的義務，所以這裡面會有一個法律權益上對應的事情。","quality":0.954},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰：跟委員說明","start":"2026-06-03T11:28:48.209000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:28:58.552000+08:00","text":"當然，我知道委員一直關心像育孫這樣權益的部分，但關於育孫，包括剛才在談的這幾個法律裡面，比較沒有明定直接的義務。","quality":0.961},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰：跟委員說明","start":"2026-06-03T11:28:58.712000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:29:32.614000+08:00","text":"第二個，相對比較高齡的爺爺、奶奶，如果為了孫子而留職停薪的話，就實務上面來看，相較於青壯世代的勞工，他再回到職場的挑戰可能是相對更大的，這可能就是要非常審慎的地方，因為的確中高齡、高齡者的勞工在職場上的挑戰又更多，所以如果設計一個制度，讓他用這個方式去請的時候，我們是擔心到時候他重返職場的機會又會有落差。","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-06-03T11:29:33.584000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:29:35.965000+08:00","text":"沒關係，我還是希望能夠研議啦，好不好？是。","quality":0.529},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-06-03T11:29:37.146000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:30:04.459000+08:00","text":"最後一個問題是原住民的部分，原住民的扶幼比大概是29，然後全體國民的扶幼比是16.8，但我們的平均收入大概是一般家庭的0.63而已，所以我一直覺得現在有一個6個月大幅延長到18個月的政策，如果具有原住民身分者，他的留停津貼能不能夠再加給百分之十，政府有沒有這樣的考量？","quality":0.861},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T11:30:06.139000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:30:13.461000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，並不是你剛才講的6個月變成18個月，我們其實是如果雙親都有請滿6個月的話，可以再加3個月，並不是它直接跳到18個月。","quality":0.712},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T11:30:14.701000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:30:50.520000+08:00","text":"第二個，剛剛委員講到留停津貼的部分，其實我們在育嬰留停津貼的加給上面，目前並沒有設身分別的差別，因為加給津貼的比例是來自社會保險，所以我們並沒有因為身分的不同，可能哪一個身分的類型或因為什麼狀況，他的津貼補貼比例就有變動，的確是沒有這樣的設計。","quality":0.796},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-06-03T11:30:50.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:31:22.564000+08:00","text":"我希望在執政黨的人口對策的新戰略裡面，不要只看平均數，還是要看實際需要被支持的家庭，因為原住民家庭確實有較高的扶幼壓力跟較低的所得承受力，我覺得這是國家應該要精準支持的一個部分，所以我希望勞動部還是要跟原民會來提出一個具體的可行性評估報告，至少讓我們知道受益人數、年度經費、排富設計、財富來源，或者是否先可從低薪、多子女、原鄉偏鄉家庭試辦開始。","quality":0.899},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T11:31:24.636000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:31:38.990000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，其實每一個子女都有一份在育嬰留停上面的權利，比方說你有兩個子女，你其實就有相關的權利，包含你的育兒假就是兩倍，所以子女的多寡跟他的權利是有相對應的。","quality":0.838},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T11:31:40.491000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T11:31:56.744000+08:00","text":"當然，身分的部分，目前針對比較中低收入的身分，包括失業給付等等，他的時間可以從6個月變成是9個月，這部分是有的，但是薪資津貼的給付部分其實是一樣的，因為這是來自社會保險的處理。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"盧委員縣一","start":"2026-06-03T11:31:58.085000+08: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