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刑度的部分我們會做最後的研議但是跟委員講的是說其實在個別的獨駕致死的時候它有些狀況它是也會有剛剛如同那個警政署長講的那個叫不確定殺人故意的話它會構成殺人罪那個時候它就有可以構成殺人罪的死刑無期徒刑所以單純的這個獨駕致死這個部分刑度上我們會從重來處理因為它的樣態很多嘛所以我們一個原則"},{"start":422.759,"end":446.111,"text":"也就是要怎麼樣嚇阻能夠保障這個是非常重要所以你剛剛所說的也就是同意這樣的一個方向我們會從眾來處理只是說死刑無期徒刑這個部分如果剛剛是到不確定殺人故意的這個狀況的話殺人罪這個部分我們檢察官目前也有用這樣的方式來去做羈押然後也有用這種方式來起訴法院目前也有在支持"},{"start":446.511,"end":462.943,"text":"所以在單純上如果是獨駕致死這個部分上的刑度到底要多重的部分我們是不是給我們一個在法律的一個橫平性這邊去做但我們會針對這個部分上去加重來去處理好 趕快去研擬要怎麼樣請支持本席的提案最後我拋出一個議題請內政部長"},{"start":464.824,"end":478.876,"text":"你們有提出了在116年部長116年到117年你們要導入詐騙的這個系統的部分呢包括了165專案受理等那涉詐的經驗預警跟網路詐騙的這些偵測功能是在116年到117年嗎"},{"start":485.689,"end":494.588,"text":"請教AI的導入其實我們已經開始進行了只是因為預算太少所以我們現在進行的速度沒有像委員要求那麼快"},{"start":496.038,"end":518.385,"text":"所以妳對外宣布的是116跟117啊沒有錯 因為我們116你要把專案提出來因為現在詐騙的都已經在收割AI的成果那我們最後還跟著後面跑會緩不及急所以你們應該去整體的一個去討論我們要因為目前的一個降碳非常重要好希望委員支持116年的預算AI的部分"},{"start":526.069,"end":526.713,"text":"好 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6-06-03T11:55:15.784429+08:00","text":"接下來請王義川委員。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}