{"error":false,"id":["169795"],"data":{"IVOD_ID":169795,"IVOD_URL":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169795","日期":"2026-06-03","會議資料":{"會議代碼":"委員會-11-5-26-13","會議代碼:str":"第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第13次全體委員會議","屆":11,"會期":5,"會次":13,"臨時會會次":null,"種類":"委員會","委員會代碼":[26],"委員會代碼:str":["社會福利及衛生環境委員會"],"標題":"第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第13次全體委員會議"},"影片種類":"Clip","開始時間":"2026-06-03T12:21:12+08:00","結束時間":"2026-06-03T12:31:20+08:00","影片長度":"00:10:08","支援功能":["ai-transcript","gazette"],"video_url":"https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5329b193fad0412540b5554233e232405efbe1c17d8a0199b79257defbd0e8ffc83aa5707098847e5ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8","委員名稱":"黃秀芳","委員發言時間":"12:21:12 - 12:31:20","會議時間":"2026-06-03T09:00:00+08:00","會議名稱":"立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：(6月3日上午9時起)\n一、審查「性別平等工作法」修正草案等100案。\n(一)委員范雲等17人擬具「性別平等工作法部分條文修正草案」案。\n(二)委員郭昱晴等17人擬具「性別平等工作法第十五條條文修正草案」案。\n(三)委員萬美玲等35人擬具「性別平等工作法第十五條條文修正草案」案。\n(四)委員黃秀芳等18人擬具「性別平等工作法第十五條條文修正草案」案。\n(五)委員黃健豪等21人擬具「性別平等工作法第二十條條文修正草案」案。\n(六)委員黃健豪等21人擬具「性別平等工作法第十九條之一及第二十一條條文修正草案」案。\n(七)委員李彥秀等22人擬具「性別平等工作法第十五條條文修正草案」案。\n(八)委員許智傑等25人擬具「性別平等工作法第二十條條文修正草案」案。\n(九)委員吳宗憲等16人擬具「性別平等工作法第十四條條文修正草案」案。\n(十)委員吳宗憲等17人擬具「性別平等工作法第十五條條文修正草案」案。\n......(因系統字數上限，詳見議事日程)\n二、審查「就業保險法」修正草案等88案。\n(一)委員謝衣鳯等19人擬具「就業保險法第十條、第十一條及第十九條之三條文修正草案」案。\n(二)委員范雲等17人擬具「就業保險法第十一條及第十九條之二條文修正草案」案。\n(三)委員許宇甄等22人擬具「就業保險法第十一條條文修正草案」案。\n(四)委員邱鎮軍等20人擬具「就業保險法第十一條條文修正草案」案。\n(五)委員謝衣鳯等17人擬具「就業保險法第十四條條文修正草案」案。\n(六)委員黃健豪等20人擬具「就業保險法第十條、第十一條及第十九條之三條文修正草案」案。\n(七)委員林淑芬等23人擬具「就業保險法第十一條及第十九條之三條文修正草案」案。\n(八)委員徐欣瑩等20人擬具「就業保險法第十九條之二條文修正草案」案。\n(九)委員涂權吉等16人擬具「就業保險法第十條、第十一條及第十九條之二條文修正草案」案。\n(十)委員王育敏等18人擬具「就業保險法部分條文修正草案」案。\n......(因系統字數上限，詳見議事日程)\n【綜合詢答，僅詢答】\n【第一（一○○）案及第二（八十八）案，如經復議則不予審查】\n(6月3日下午2時30分起)\n(6月3日若上午議程尚未結束，待結束後接續召開)\n一、繼續審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案關於勞動部主管預算。(公務及非營業特種基金預算案)。\n二、繼續審查勞動部函送財團法人職業災害預防及重建中心115年度預算書案。\n【6月3日、6月4日二天一次會】）","transcript":{"pyannote":[{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"黃委員秀芳","start":3.54096875,"end":4.941593750000001,"speaker_score":0.979},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"黃委員秀芳","start":5.0934687499999995,"end":5.970968750000001,"speaker_score":0.979},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"黃委員秀芳","start":10.88159375,"end":11.42159375,"speaker_score":0.979},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"黃委員秀芳","start":11.742218750000003,"end":24.938468750000002,"speaker_score":0.979},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":11.87721875,"end":12.079718750000001,"speaker_score":0.956},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":12.180968750000002,"end":12.26534375,"speaker_score":0.956},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"黃委員秀芳","start":25.39409375,"end":27.31784375,"speaker_score":0.979},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"黃委員秀芳","start":27.58784375,"end":96.30284375000001,"speaker_score":0.979},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":50.470343750000005,"end":50.875343750000006,"speaker_score":0.956},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":97.88909375,"end":105.16221875000001,"speaker_score":0.956},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"黃委員秀芳","start":105.60096875,"end":105.88784375,"speaker_score":0.979},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"黃委員秀芳","start":106.12409375,"end":143.36721875,"speaker_score":0.979},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":143.63721875000002,"end":146.45534375,"speaker_score":0.956},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":147.18096875,"end":148.93596875,"speaker_score":0.956},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":149.32409375,"end":180.39096875,"speaker_score":0.956},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"黃委員秀芳","start":154.11659375000002,"end":154.70721875,"speaker_score":0.979},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"黃委員秀芳","start":158.47034375,"end":158.95971875,"speaker_score":0.979},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"黃委員秀芳","start":159.07784375,"end":159.22971875000002,"speaker_score":0.979},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"黃委員秀芳","start":176.15534375000001,"end":176.57721875000001,"speaker_score":0.979},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"黃委員秀芳","start":179.04096875000002,"end":179.61471875,"speaker_score":0.979},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"黃委員秀芳","start":180.39096875,"end":210.61409375000002,"speaker_score":0.979},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"黃委員秀芳","start":210.93471875,"end":282.53534375000004,"speaker_score":0.979},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"黃委員秀芳","start":282.73784375,"end":304.25346875,"speaker_score":0.979},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":304.75971875000005,"end":305.92409375,"speaker_score":0.956},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"黃司長琦雅","start":306.86909375000005,"end":325.17846875000004,"speaker_score":0.96},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"黃委員秀芳","start":312.58971875000003,"end":312.60659375,"speaker_score":0.979},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":312.60659375,"end":313.04534375000003,"speaker_score":0.956},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"黃委員秀芳","start":313.04534375000003,"end":313.06221875,"speaker_score":0.979},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"黃委員秀芳","start":320.74034375,"end":321.24659375000005,"speaker_score":0.979},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"黃司長琦雅","start":325.31346875,"end":340.02846875,"speaker_score":0.96},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"黃委員秀芳","start":340.02846875,"end":344.56784375,"speaker_score":0.979},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"黃委員秀芳","start":344.83784375000005,"end":367.97346875000005,"speaker_score":0.979},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"黃委員秀芳","start":368.42909375000005,"end":420.08346875,"speaker_score":0.979},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"黃委員秀芳","start":420.79221875,"end":445.27784375000005,"speaker_score":0.979},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"黃司長琦雅","start":446.45909375,"end":468.22784375000003,"speaker_score":0.96},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"黃委員秀芳","start":456.90471875000003,"end":457.42784375,"speaker_score":0.979},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"黃司長琦雅","start":468.46409375,"end":474.85971875,"speaker_score":0.96},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"黃委員秀芳","start":475.36596875000004,"end":475.38284375,"speaker_score":0.979},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"黃司長琦雅","start":475.38284375,"end":475.39971875000003,"speaker_score":0.96},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"黃委員秀芳","start":475.39971875000003,"end":477.54284375000003,"speaker_score":0.979},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"黃司長琦雅","start":475.41659375,"end":483.02721875000003,"speaker_score":0.96},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"黃委員秀芳","start":481.84596875000005,"end":483.66846875000005,"speaker_score":0.979},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"黃委員秀芳","start":483.80346875000004,"end":487.49909375000004,"speaker_score":0.979},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"黃委員秀芳","start":487.78596875000005,"end":494.06346875,"speaker_score":0.979},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"黃司長琦雅","start":494.23221875,"end":511.98471875,"speaker_score":0.96},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"黃委員秀芳","start":503.58096875,"end":504.03659375,"speaker_score":0.979},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"黃委員秀芳","start":511.52909375,"end":514.4484687500001,"speaker_score":0.979},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"黃司長琦雅","start":514.4484687500001,"end":514.4990937499999,"speaker_score":0.96},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"黃委員秀芳","start":514.4990937499999,"end":514.51596875,"speaker_score":0.979},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"黃司長琦雅","start":514.65096875,"end":518.75159375,"speaker_score":0.96},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"黃司長琦雅","start":519.03846875,"end":521.85659375,"speaker_score":0.96},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"黃司長琦雅","start":522.24471875,"end":526.4297187500001,"speaker_score":0.96},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"黃委員秀芳","start":523.4428437500001,"end":524.0672187499999,"speaker_score":0.979},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"黃司長琦雅","start":526.6828437500001,"end":546.1397187499999,"speaker_score":0.96},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"黃委員秀芳","start":530.42909375,"end":530.71596875,"speaker_score":0.979},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"黃委員秀芳","start":536.77409375,"end":537.2297187500001,"speaker_score":0.979},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"黃委員秀芳","start":546.1397187499999,"end":552.06284375,"speaker_score":0.979},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"黃委員秀芳","start":552.5690937500001,"end":574.87784375,"speaker_score":0.979},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":576.12659375,"end":581.6953437500001,"speaker_score":0.956},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":582.1003437500001,"end":585.12096875,"speaker_score":0.956},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"黃委員秀芳","start":582.8428437499999,"end":583.6359687500001,"speaker_score":0.979},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":585.67784375,"end":603.7678437500001,"speaker_score":0.956},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"黃委員秀芳","start":590.5378437500001,"end":590.90909375,"speaker_score":0.979},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"黃委員秀芳","start":603.86909375,"end":604.8984687500001,"speaker_score":0.979},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"黃委員秀芳","start":606.7040937500001,"end":609.31971875,"speaker_score":0.979}],"whisperx":[{"start":3.864,"end":4.59,"text":"謝謝主席 我們請部長有請紅部長"},{"start":10.902,"end":37.877,"text":"部長好黃委員好部長我想請教就是說我們在那個公共政策網路參與平台上面在5月25號有一則就是這個喝熱水就好取消生理假學校職場都一樣那這個理由他寫的理由有包含生理期只有幾天而已那其實不會痛那即便稍微痛喝熱開水即可緩解"},{"start":38.997,"end":59.314,"text":"那我想請教就是說部長你知不知道在這個公共政策的這個網路平台當中其實這個主管機關應該是國發會啦是嗎是那這個公共政策平台上面涉及這個歧視那還有違法的一個提議那我想說這個"},{"start":62.076,"end":89.625,"text":"公共政策網路參與平台應該會有一個這個檢核的一個機制那有涉及這個歧視或違法的這樣的一個言語或這樣的提議應該在這個檢核過程當中應該可能就不會在這個網路上面讓大家這個連署所以我想請教就是說部長針對這個我們今天在討論是性別平等工作法那他也違反了這個"},{"start":91.586,"end":104.963,"text":"這個歧視然後也違法的這個狀況那我想請教部長你有什麼樣的看法就委員現在說的這個例子我想這樣的想法確實是欠缺性平的敏感度的"},{"start":107.727,"end":131.044,"text":"因為你們是這個性別平等工作法的這個主管機關就是說任何一個單位有違反這個性別平等工作法的這個相關規定的話其實你們是主管機關那針對這一部分其實我是不是也可以請你們跟國發會就是說在這個網站上面應該是讓當然就是說讓更多人能夠來參與公共事務"},{"start":132.745,"end":158.379,"text":"可是在這個平台上面如果是充滿著歧視或違法的這樣的一個言語的話那是不是這個勞動部這邊也可以跟國發會這邊可以做一些檢討根本說沒有的確現在在這個國發會的這個這個平台上面公共政策的這個平台上面目前是由國發會來管的所以我們的確就勞動部的權限沒有直接能夠去做這個部分審核的權限"},{"start":159.179,"end":179.231,"text":"但是我們願意來跟國發會來討論一下那類似的狀況那是不是有一些其他處理的做法可是的確因為國發會這個平台他其實是一個意見收集的平台那這可能還是要來跟國發討論一下他在處理相關類型意見的時候他的政策或者他的原則是什麼這邊我有點難帶他回答"},{"start":180.712,"end":193.125,"text":"好 那我們是希望就是說這個有關這樣的類似的一個提議的話其實我也希望就是說勞動部跟國發會這邊應該要有一個既然有一個檢核的機制那應該勞動部這邊應該也要針對這一部分應該跟國發會這邊來做一個討論未來有類似這樣的一個狀況那可以用什麼樣的方式來處理 好不好"},{"start":205.777,"end":226.437,"text":"接下來我想請教部長我們看到這個虎航就是我們台灣泛工股的虎航在前陣子桃園市空服員職業工會他們有陪當事人這個當事人他是一個空姐"},{"start":227.938,"end":247.931,"text":"她就是懷孕 那懷孕之後 這個虎航他們的規定就是說空服員只要一懷孕就立刻強迫留職停薪那連轉調這個遞請的機會都沒有給所以會讓這個孕媽咪這個剛懷孕然後就被迫留職停薪"},{"start":248.792,"end":268.01,"text":"所以我看到後續桃園市的空服員職業工會也有陪當事人爭取權益桃園市政府性評會也有直接認證虎航是懷孕歧視懷孕歧視成立違反性別平等工作法"},{"start":268.63,"end":283.801,"text":"那這個部分我想請教部長就是說桃園市政府這個性平會他有認定虎航懷孕歧視成立那也違反性別平等工作法所以虎航是就是"},{"start":284.321,"end":284.381,"text":"我請我們市長"},{"start":306.889,"end":324.672,"text":"根文報告像類似這樣的案子其實員工受到的損害是屬於一個權力事項是那我們現在整個法制面上面的這個權力事項的究極途徑地方政府會協助當事人如果他透過行政調解針對他所遭受積欠的相關的"},{"start":325.874,"end":334.043,"text":"剛剛委員提到的不論是工資或者是相關損害賠償的部分在行政調解部分處理那如果行政調解部分雙方沒有辦法達成一個結果的話進到依照勞動事件法進到訴訟我們會有法律輔助好"},{"start":340.53,"end":367.262,"text":"那我也看到虎航在這三年當中就是總共有13筆是違反勞基法還有性別平等工作法那在今年就在今年當中就有8件就是今年採儲的那我看到就是說在這個上個禮拜台灣虎航他們開股東會的時候他們就是自己覺得說他們今年的這個收"},{"start":369.222,"end":380.048,"text":"這個成長就是整個這個收益然後整個載客率都比以往還要高那他們自以為要就是說這個虎航就是優化勞動條件所以這個進行航線全面檢討那優化勞動條件可是我們看到就是說在這今年當中在這半年當中就虎航就有八件是違反這個勞基法或者是性別平等工作法"},{"start":397.358,"end":415.904,"text":"所以我覺得這個虎航確實他是犯官股如果是這樣子的話他收益越多然後他就是罰不怕我看到他整個被桃園市政府罰還有30萬有15萬也有5萬那零零總總加起來總共有13件"},{"start":420.965,"end":445.038,"text":"總共有13件在這三年當中13件那在這一年當中就有8件所以像這樣子的一個這樣的一個上市公司而且是販官股的公司那既然就是說對於勞動部或者是我們這邊的一些法規都不遵守所以我想請教就是說像這樣子的話勞動部你們有什麼樣因應的方式"},{"start":446.462,"end":474.098,"text":"跟委員報告我們大概幾個面向第一個是委員大家可以看到我們違法系統上面其實虎航像這種連續法或者是他其實違法情勢嚴重的地方政府的確就依著這個加重裁罰的相關的部分進行裁罰那當然我們也跟地方政府有聯繫大家都有一致的一致性的做法就是類似有違法事業單位我們在做教育訓練的時候他就務必要參加"},{"start":475.444,"end":477.405,"text":"那是誰參加公司違法的事業單位他一定要派代表參加他就罰不怕啊如果罰不怕的話他會這樣子一年當中就連續這樣子罰然後違反勞動條件或者是違反性別平等工作法"},{"start":495.09,"end":502.658,"text":"那因為同步其實讓他知道他違法提升他的法尊這是一塊那另外我們也會跟他的目的世界主管機關交通部跟他提到說這樣的一個這個他的違法類型違法太陽在目的世界主管機關跟我們勞動部一起協力"},{"start":511.587,"end":518.451,"text":"那你們現在有針對這一部分有做什麼樣的處理嗎我們其實已經首先先請地方政府針對這個該公司他的違法情勢的部分特別輔導讓他這個違法的部分去教他說其實工資應該怎麼計算工時應該要怎麼怎麼處理那性別的"},{"start":532.318,"end":551.848,"text":"競評法的部分應該怎麼改善這個部分地方政府其實有在做那我們後續會跟那個目的事業主管機關請他們也跟我們勞動部一起去協助這家事業單位要這個事法辦理員工權益事項好 我覺得針對這樣的一個上市公司而且又犯關股的這樣的一個公司"},{"start":552.648,"end":573.122,"text":"既然是法律無誤啦所以我覺得說勞動部針對這部分我覺得應該也要再加強啦既然都是這個犯官股那你針對我們現在我們在討論的這個性別平等工作法或勞基法他都不遵守的話那你拿他也沒辦法反正他就罰錢罰錢也不怕"},{"start":576.201,"end":603.542,"text":"跟委員說明我想就像委員說的他其實是有犯管股的性質的的確是應該要更進一步的有更多的責任要來遵守政府的法律我們會來跟虎航來做更多的討論跟提醒當然如果還是有違法的狀況我想我們就還是會用落實法準的方式來去做裁罰好 謝謝"},{"start":606.772,"end":608.871,"text":"好,谢谢黄秀芳委员发言"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-06-03T12:21:15.864000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:21:16.368000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，我們請部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-03T12:21:16.368000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:21:16.590000+08:00","text":"有請洪部長。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-06-03T12:21:22.902000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:21:23.142000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T12:21:23.883000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:21:24.063000+08:00","text":"黃委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-06-03T12:21:24.703000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:21:49.856000+08:00","text":"部長，公共政策網路參與平台5月25日有一則提案「喝熱水就好，取消生理假，學校、職場都一樣」，理由包含生理期只有幾天而已，其實不會痛，即便稍微痛，喝熱開水即可緩解。","quality":0.94},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-06-03T12:21:52.699000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:22:15.477000+08:00","text":"請教部長，這個公共政策網路參與平台的主管機關應該是國發會，是嗎？是。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-06-03T12:22:17.017000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:22:32.782000+08:00","text":"是，公共政策網路平台上涉及歧視還有違法的提議，我想公共政策網絡參與平台應該會有檢核的機制，有涉及歧視或違法的言語或提議，在檢核過程中，可能應該就不會在網路上讓大家連署。","quality":0.551},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-06-03T12:22:33.842000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:22:48.072000+08:00","text":"我想請教部長，針對今天討論性別平等工作法，這則提案違反了歧視也違法，請教部長，你有什麼樣的看法？","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T12:22:50.415000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:22:56.743000+08:00","text":"就委員現在說的這個例子，我想這樣的想法確實是欠缺性平的敏感度。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-06-03T12:22:59.727000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:23:17.800000+08:00","text":"好，因為你們是性別平等工作法的主管機關，任何一個單位違反性別平等工作法的相關規定，你們是主管機關，針對這一部分，我是不是也可以請你們跟國發會討論。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-06-03T12:23:18.981000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:23:36.051000+08:00","text":"這個網站當然是希望讓更多人能夠參與公共事務，可是在這個平台上如果充滿著歧視或違法的言語，是不是勞動部也可以跟國發會做一些檢討？","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T12:23:36.331000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:23:56.923000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，現在這個公共政策平台是由國發會來管，勞動部的確沒有直接審核的權限，但是我們願意跟國發會討論，類似的狀況是不是有一些其他處理的做法。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T12:23:57.463000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:24:12.712000+08:00","text":"可是國發會這個平台其實是一個意見蒐集的平台，我們可能還是要跟國發會討論一下，在處理相關類型意見的時候，他的政策或者原則是什麼，我有點難代他回答。好。","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-06-03T12:24:15.935000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:24:25.105000+08:00","text":"有關類似的提議，其實我也希望勞動部跟國發會應該要有一個檢核的機制，勞動部應該也要針對這一部分跟國發會討論，未來有類似的狀況，可以用什麼樣的方式來處理，好不好？好。","quality":0.986},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-06-03T12:24:37.777000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:25:19.911000+08:00","text":"接下來想請教部長，我們看到虎航，就是泛公股的台灣虎航，前陣子桃園市空服員職業工會有陪當事人，這個當事人是空姐，她懷孕之後，虎航規定空服員只要一懷孕，就立刻強迫留職停薪，連轉調地勤的機會都沒有給，所以會讓孕媽咪剛懷孕就被迫留職停薪。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-06-03T12:25:20.972000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:25:39.990000+08:00","text":"我看到後續桃園市空服員職業工會也有陪當事人爭取權益，桃園市政府性平會直接認證虎航是懷孕歧視，懷孕歧視成立，違反性別平等工作法。","quality":0.983},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-06-03T12:25:42.111000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:25:53.519000+08:00","text":"我想請教部長，桃園市政府性平會認定虎航懷孕歧視成立，也違反性別平等工作法，虎航不應該立刻強制這個員工留職停薪。","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-06-03T12:25:53.519000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T12:25:56.321000+08:00","text":"她留職停薪，沒有領薪水，就受到影響了，員工在這段期間的獎金或者是薪水，是不是要統統如實計算，還給這一個空服員？","quality":0.041},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T12:25:56.321000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:25:56.381000+08:00","text":"我請司長說明。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"黃司長琦雅","start":"2026-06-03T12:26:19.430000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:26:24.296000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，類似這樣的案子，其實員工受到的損害是屬於權利事項。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"黃司長琦雅","start":"2026-06-03T12:26:25.177000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:26:43.720000+08:00","text":"我們現在法治面權利事項的救濟途徑，地方政府會協助當事人，如果他透過行政調解，針對他所遭受積欠相關的，像剛剛委員提到的，不論是工資或者是相關損害賠償，在行政調解部分處理。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"黃司長琦雅","start":"2026-06-03T12:26:44.261000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:26:46.023000+08:00","text":"如果行政調解雙方沒有辦法達成一個結果，依照勞動事件法進到訴訟，我們會有法律扶助。好。","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-06-03T12:26:52.670000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:27:06.116000+08:00","text":"我也看到虎航在這三年當中總共有13筆違反勞基法還有性別平等工作法，今年裁處的就有8件。","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-06-03T12:27:09.477000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:27:30.608000+08:00","text":"我看到上個禮拜台灣虎航開股東會，他們自己覺得今年的成長、整個收益和載客率都比以往還要高，有進行航線全面檢討，優化勞動條件。","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-06-03T12:27:30.628000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:27:32.028000+08:00","text":"可是我們看到在今年這半年當中，虎航就有8件違反勞基法或者是性別平等工作法。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-06-03T12:27:51.019000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:28:00.561000+08:00","text":"虎航確實是泛官股，我覺得如果是這樣子，他收益越多，就是罰不怕嘛！","quality":0.821},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-06-03T12:28:01.302000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:28:31.575000+08:00","text":"我看它被桃園市政府罰鍰有30萬、15萬、5萬，林林總總加起來有13件，三年來總共13件，而這一年當中就有8件；像這樣一個上市公司，而且是泛官股的公司，對於勞動部或者是我們這邊的一些法規都不遵守。","quality":0.859},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-06-03T12:28:32.275000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:28:37.018000+08:00","text":"所以本席想請教的是，像這樣的情況，勞動部有什麼樣因應的方式？","quality":0.815},{"speaker":"黃司長琦雅","start":"2026-06-03T12:28:38.462000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:29:06.078000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們大概有幾個面向，第一個、委員可以看到在我們的違法系統上面，像虎航這種被連續罰或是它違法情事嚴重的，地方政府的確就是依照加重裁罰相關的部分進行裁罰，我們當然也跟地方政府有聯繫，大家都有一致性的做法，就是對類似有違法的事業單位，我們在做教育訓練的時候，它就務必要參加……","quality":0.884},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-06-03T12:29:07.444000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:29:07.724000+08:00","text":"那是誰參加？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃司長琦雅","start":"2026-06-03T12:29:07.784000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:29:08.084000+08:00","text":"違法的事業單位一定要派代表參加我們的……","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-06-03T12:29:08.164000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:29:08.304000+08:00","text":"可它就是罰不怕啊！","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-06-03T12:29:08.684000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:29:09.385000+08:00","text":"如果罰得怕的話，它還會因為違反勞動條件，或者是違反性別平等工作法，一年當中這樣子連續被罰？","quality":0.61},{"speaker":"黃司長琦雅","start":"2026-06-03T12:29:27.270000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:29:34.638000+08:00","text":"對，因為同步也要讓它知道它違法，要提升它的法遵這一塊；另外，我們也會跟它的目的事業主管機關交通部，提到它這樣的一個違法類型、違法態樣，讓目的事業主管機關跟我們勞動部一起協力……","quality":0.785},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-06-03T12:29:43.707000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:29:46.949000+08:00","text":"你們現在有針對這部分做什麼樣的處理嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃司長琦雅","start":"2026-06-03T12:29:46.949000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:30:08.200000+08:00","text":"其實我們已經先請地方政府，針對該公司違法情事的部分進行特別輔導，就它違法的部分，去教他們工資應該怎麼計算，工時應該要怎麼處理，以及性平法的部分應該怎麼改善，這個部分地方政府其實有在做。是。","quality":0.86},{"speaker":"黃司長琦雅","start":"2026-06-03T12:30:09.381000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:30:18.105000+08:00","text":"我們後續也會請目的事業主管機關跟我們勞動部，一起去協助這家事業單位，要適法辦理員工權益事項。","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-06-03T12:30:19.866000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:30:31.413000+08:00","text":"針對這樣一個上市公司，而且又是泛官股的公司，竟然視法律為無物，我覺得勞動部在這個部分應該也要再加強。","quality":0.804},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-06-03T12:30:32.073000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:30:45.102000+08:00","text":"既然是泛官股的公司，針對我們現在討論的性別平等工作法或勞基法，它都不遵守的話，你拿它也沒辦法，反正就是對它罰錢，罰錢它也不怕！","quality":0.825},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T12:30:48.201000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:31:15.522000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，這個就像委員說的，它其實是有泛官股的性質，的確應該更進一步，有更多的責任要來遵守政府的法律，我們會跟虎航來做更多的討論跟提醒；如果還是有違法的狀況，我們還是會用落實法遵的方式去做裁罰。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"黃委員秀芳","start":"2026-06-03T12:31:15.522000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:31:15.542000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席：謝謝黃秀芳委員的發言。重新更正宣告","start":"2026-06-03T12:31:16.042000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T12:31:23.184857+08:00","text":"待會在洪孟楷委員詢答完畢後休息用餐，下午1點10分繼續開會。","quality":0.04},{"speaker":"主席：謝謝黃秀芳委員的發言。重新更正宣告","start":"2026-06-03T12:31:23.484857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T12:31:25.770571+08:00","text":"現在請洪孟楷委員。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}