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我覺得對於國際上也不是好的民生也因此我才會講是說利用這個機會請勞動部一定要正視這個問題沒有都應該要好好的正視回應也不能允許美國用這樣子莫須有的罪名拿來當成是我們增加關稅的藉口"},{"start":304.483,"end":324.404,"text":"兩點回應第一個勞動部現在我們非常重視國際上面對於防治強迫勞動的討論不管是來自國家或者是來自國際供應鏈因為的確來自國際供應鏈也有相關越來越重視強迫勞動這樣子的關注跟要求我們是非常非常的"},{"start":325.926,"end":346.985,"text":"在意也非常關注這樣子的趨勢因為確實沒有處理好的話他可能會變成是我們產業相關的貿易的風險好第二個但是在今天這個發布的內容我還要再去針對他們發布內容的細節來去做相關的瞭解那這個部分的回覆的確從我們的角度從政府的角度要非常審慎對"},{"start":348.888,"end":354.804,"text":"本席提醒加速作業不要用默許有罪名讓我們增加變成是增加關稅的藉口以上謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-03T12:31:39.042000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:31:39.483000+08:00","text":"感謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-03T12:31:39.644000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:31:40.987000+08:00","text":"麻煩勞動部部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-03T12:31:40.987000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:31:41.409000+08:00","text":"有請洪部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-03T12:31:41.409000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T12:31:47.561000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T12:31:47.561000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:31:47.561000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-03T12:31:47.821000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:31:51.524000+08:00","text":"部長，本席有兩個問題要直接來請教。","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-03T12:31:51.845000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:31:58.330000+08:00","text":"今天早上傳出來勞動部這邊的駕駛有低於最低工資的一個級距？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T12:31:58.751000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:32:00.873000+08:00","text":"沒有，是誤植。誤植？","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T12:32:03.715000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:32:04.456000+08:00","text":"沒有人拿到低於最低工資的狀況。","quality":0.357},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-03T12:32:06.437000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:32:12.282000+08:00","text":"本席沒有跟你吵架，今天要討論的是比較深入的問題，不要碰到，就馬上觸動，好不好？","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T12:32:12.282000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T12:32:13.282000+08:00","text":"不是，我要澄清。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-03T12:32:13.282000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T12:32:14.282000+08:00","text":"好，部長，我今天是就事論事，誤植就誤植……","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T12:32:13.262000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:32:14.442000+08:00","text":"誤植是事實。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-03T12:32:14.442000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:32:23.765000+08:00","text":"好，請你聽一下本席的問題。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-03T12:32:23.765000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:32:25.406000+08:00","text":"29,220到底是怎麼誤植來的？","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-03T12:32:25.406000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:32:27.407000+08:00","text":"其實這才是本席後續想要來討論的。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-03T12:32:30.167000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:32:31.228000+08:00","text":"2025年我們的最低工資是多少錢？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T12:32:33.550000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:32:33.550000+08:00","text":"2025年是28,590。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-03T12:32:38.994000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:32:41.416000+08:00","text":"2026年我們是29,500，對不對？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-03T12:32:41.916000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:32:50.803000+08:00","text":"突然跑出一個29,220，會讓國人覺得奇怪，為什麼在勞動部這樣的徵才活動中會出現這樣的一個數字？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T12:32:51.023000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:32:51.563000+08:00","text":"委員，它就是一個誤植。","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-03T12:32:52.804000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:32:55.466000+08:00","text":"所以它就是一個誤植，沒有任何的？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-03T12:32:56.167000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:32:56.987000+08:00","text":"畢竟數字不會憑空出現……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T12:32:56.987000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T12:33:03.568000+08:00","text":"這是同仁的誤植。","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-03T12:33:03.568000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:33:12.116000+08:00","text":"本席希望部長這邊再去了解一下，過去的系統或是相關的報表，是不是還有低於我們最低工資的這樣一個狀況？","quality":0.848},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-03T12:33:12.116000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:33:19.763000+08:00","text":"如果有，趕快去做更正；勞動部身為主管機關，我們不要帶頭去做這樣子一個誤植的事件，好嗎？","quality":0.737},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T12:33:19.763000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T12:33:20.763000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明……部長……","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T12:33:19.883000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:33:32.033000+08:00","text":"我再跟委員說明，我們已經確認過，沒有任何勞動部聘僱的人員，他的薪資是低於最低工資的。","qua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部現在非常重視國際上對於防治強迫勞動的討論，不管是來自國家或者是來自國際供應鏈，因為來自國際供應鏈也都越來越重視強迫勞動這樣子的關注跟要求，我們是非常非常的在意，也非常關注這樣子的趨勢，因為沒有處理好的話，它可能會變成我們產業相關貿易上的風險。","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰：兩點回應","start":"2026-06-03T12:37:08.093000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:37:20.985000+08:00","text":"第二個，對於今天發布的這個內容，我還要再針對他們發布內容的細節，做相關的了解，這個部分的回復，從我們的角度，從政府部門的角度的確要非常審慎。","quality":0.841},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-03T12:37:22.888000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:37:28.463000+08:00","text":"本席提醒，加速作業，不要用莫須有的罪名變成是讓我們增加關稅的藉口。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-03T12:37:28.663000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:37:28.804000+08:00","text":"以上，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-03T12:37:29.304000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T12:37:32.161143+08:00","text":"謝謝洪孟楷委員的發言。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-03T12:37:32.461143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T12:37:35.032571+08:00","text":"我們現在休息到1點10分。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-03T12:37:35.332571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T12:37:36.475429+08:00","text":"休息（12時37分）","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-03T12:37:36.775429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T12:37:38.489714+08:00","text":"繼續開會（13時11分）","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-03T12:37:38.789714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T12:37:40.504000+08:00","text":"現在繼續開會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-03T12:37:40.804000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T12:37:57.661143+08:00","text":"由於今天下午本委員另安排了勞動部的預算審查議程，為了避免影響下午議程的進行，各位委員發言時務必遵守發言時間，請大家體諒與配合。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-03T12:37:57.961143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T12:38:08.818286+08:00","text":"外委發言5分鐘到，我們就會立即讓你停止，接下來如果部會需要答復的話，就用書面說明，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-03T12:38:09.118286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T12:38:11.689714+08:00","text":"接下來請李彥秀委員。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}