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所以"},{"start":374.694,"end":389.626,"text":"我個人要告訴你你是不是要去檢討現行的機制也就是新的平台責任強化這個方案是您說呢我們一定會努力一定會努力在想辦法改進的"},{"start":390.327,"end":411.051,"text":"你怎麼想辦法改進 你告訴我們 你們到目前為止 他的財損是增加的是民眾非常這個難過的 所以在這樣的情況之下 請問你可以怎麼樣去調整 你多久時間可以調整你的新的平台的這個責任強化的一個方案 告訴社會大眾是 我們就是講的 你多久時間可以告訴我們"},{"start":416.86,"end":436.015,"text":"你討論新的方案你多久時間可以告訴我們如果說要整齊的那個財損數字的話這個真的是要問內政部的那個打炸智慧中心那前面三項這個我剛才已經跟董元報告過了下架廣告數量到現在是46萬件通報數量是96萬件平台配合率它價值是百分之百如果時間的話是3.5個小時檢討現行的這個機制有精進的空間你們去討論"},{"start":439.738,"end":457.86,"text":"我們的目的是要讓詐騙廣告上不了架我們要讓假帳號活不下去我們要讓詐騙集團賺不到錢這才是我們運用了這麼多的人力這麼多的預算我們要達到的一個目的是 同意 完全同意好 謝謝好 謝謝委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-06-03T12:03:34.947000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:03:35.087000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-06-03T12:03:35.769000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:03:36.110000+08:00","text":"楊瓊瓔發言，邀請部長。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-03T12:03:36.110000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:03:36.331000+08:00","text":"請林部長。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-06-03T12:03:36.331000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T12:03:42.734500+08:00","text":"委員早安。","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-06-03T12:03:42.734500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T12:03:49.138000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-06-03T12:03:49.138000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:04:04.671000+08:00","text":"詐騙已經成為臺灣民眾最有感的治安問題之一，政府成立了打詐國家隊，通過了打詐專法，要求社群平台配合下架詐騙的廣告，但民眾最關心的是什麼呢？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-06-03T12:04:05.391000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:04:07.934000+08:00","text":"是詐騙到底有沒有變少？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-06-03T12:04:08.874000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:04:22.398000+08:00","text":"如果詐騙的案件跟財損持續居高不下，那麼政府花了那麼多的人力，花了那麼多的預算，還有法治的改善，實際的成效到底又在哪裡？","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-06-03T12:04:22.558000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:04:30.941000+08:00","text":"我們看到最主要的接觸來源仍舊集中在Facebook、Instagram、LINE、Google這一些廣告……","quality":0.98},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-06-03T12:04:31.501000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:04:33.102000+08:00","text":"現在應該是Threads一直在增長。","quality":0.588},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-06-03T12:04:33.622000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:04:34.482000+08:00","text":"一直在增長？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-06-03T12:04:34.482000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T12:04:35.482000+08:00","text":"Threads。","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-06-03T12:04:35.142000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:04:36.303000+08:00","text":"你這個回答非常好！","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-06-03T12:04:36.983000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:04:44.846000+08:00","text":"既然你知道主要的來源已經掌握，可是為什麼我們每天所碰到的還是這麼多？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-06-03T12:04:45.586000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:05:21.383000+08:00","text":"民眾打開手機，還是能看到大量的詐騙廣告，我給你一個數字，從今年的1月1日到4月30日，Meta所屬社群平台所涉及的詐騙案件將近一萬四千多件，就像您說的，它的占比是最多的，有84.31%，財損十三億多，它的財損比例是顯性的86.2%，顯示Meta所屬社群平台是詐騙集團最主要的詐騙管道。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-06-03T12:05:23.124000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:05:35.299000+08:00","text":"在這樣的情況之下，部長既然已經掌控到，在平台接獲檢舉之後，你們平均多久時間請它下架？","quality":0.763},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-06-03T12:05:37.240000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:05:40.281000+08:00","text":"重複刊登的詐騙帳號到底有多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-06-03T12:05:41.642000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:05:45.561000+08:00","text":"累犯的廣告的名單，也請提出說明。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-06-03T12:05:46.923000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:05:51.567000+08:00","text":"關於平台接獲檢舉之後，平均多久下架，這個部分我們一直都有在掌控……多久？","quality":0.71},{"speaker":"林署長俊秀","start":"2026-06-03T12:05:51.587000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:05:51.607000+08:00","text":"3.5個小時。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-06-03T12:05:51.607000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:05:52.948000+08:00","text":"3.5個小時下架。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林署長俊秀","start":"2026-06-03T12:05:53.088000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:05:58.032000+08:00","text":"在Meta（Facebook）上。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-06-03T12:05:58.292000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:05:59.153000+08:00","text":"重複的部分呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-06-03T12:06:00.054000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:06:00.835000+08:00","text":"累犯的部分呢？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-06-03T12:06:01.575000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:06:13.443000+08:00","text":"重複的部分，現在在Meta上面的那個犯罪模式，他們開了那個帳號以後，在下面再開粉絲頁，粉絲頁上面再放那個廣告等等。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-06-03T12:06:14.604000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:06:22.869000+08:00","text":"相關的這個資料是掌握在Meta那邊，我們已經要求Meta，用他們AI的方式去移除重複刊登詐騙廣告的這個帳戶。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-06-03T12:06:24.090000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:06:36.158000+08:00","text":"截至去年7月，對不起，我們最後的數字是他們7月跟我們講的，他們已經下架了780萬則針對臺灣的這個內容，他們就是用這種方法查詢。","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-06-03T12:06:36.158000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T12:06:39.821000+08:00","text":"你看有沒有恐怖？780萬！","quality":0.125},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-06-03T12:06:39.821000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:06:57.072000+08:00","text":"這個絕對有重複，所以他們也跟我們說，他們在全球下架了430萬個，就是這種重複下這種詐騙廣告的帳號；不過，這430萬不是單單對臺灣的，很多是之前在柬埔寨詐騙園區裡面的這些，就像太子集團，他們詐騙的那個帳號。","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-06-03T12:06:58.833000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:07:02.097000+08:00","text":"請問部長，針對平台開罰的有多少件？","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-06-03T12:07:02.577000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:07:03.418000+08:00","text":"我們現在開罰4件總共是1,850萬……","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-06-03T12:07:03.418000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:07:03.639000+08:00","text":"開罰4件裁罰1,850萬？是。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-06-03T12:07:10.899000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:07:11.259000+08:00","text":"有哪些平台遭到開罰？","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-06-03T12:07:11.259000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T12:07:13.300000+08:00","text":"Meta。","quality":0},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-06-03T12:07:13.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:07:22.242000+08:00","text":"所以我們必須要好好的去防堵，怎麼樣精益求精的方案要提出來。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-06-03T12:07:22.242000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:07:45.708000+08:00","text":"本席接下來要請問，數發部在115年度編列詐騙相關的經費是四點五億多左右，你們是為了強化科技辨別的這個防詐服務，同時在整個詐騙通報查詢平台，跟辦理詐騙違法事證蒐集，跟情資的這個部分來共享。","quality":0.881},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-06-03T12:07:47.168000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:07:56.630000+08:00","text":"我要請教部長一個最核心的問題，數發部每年投了大量的打詐預算，請教你的KPI是什麼？","quality":0.868},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-06-03T12:07:56.630000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:08:03.211000+08:00","text":"是下架廣告數量、通報件數、平台配合率，還是詐騙財損實際下降？","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-06-03T12:08:05.932000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:08:08.993000+08:00","text":"我們現在主要的KPI，就是委員前面講的兩件事情。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-06-03T12:08:09.273000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:08:26.337000+08:00","text":"我們現在網詐通報查詢網下架廣告的數量已經累積到46萬件，通報數量有九十多萬件；平台的這個配合，就是我們剛才講的3.5個小時它就會下架，這個是我們主要的KPI。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-06-03T12:08:26.957000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:08:34.480000+08:00","text":"至於詐騙財損實際下降，因為詐騙不單單是線上詐騙，有很多是線下，還有很多是電話詐騙。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-06-03T12:08:34.940000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:08:55.954000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，其實最近一、兩年來，網路詐騙的比例應該是有下降的，很多詐騙現在又回到傳統的電話詐騙，或者是實際到訪的，有所謂地面師這種詐騙，很多是轉到那個部分，這部分是內政部打詐指揮中心他們的KPI。","quality":0.989},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-06-03T12:08:56.174000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:09:07.501000+08:00","text":"針對你的本業、你的本職，剛剛您說您的KPI第一個是下架廣告數量，第二個是通報件數，第三個平台配合率。對。","quality":0.891},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-06-03T12:09:07.501000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T12:09:08.501000+08:00","text":"主要是下架的數字。","quality":0.125},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-06-03T12:09:08.321000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:09:17.625000+08:00","text":"我要告訴你的是，民眾所要看的不是你下架了多少，而是我的錢有沒有被騙，這是重點！","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-06-03T12:09:17.625000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:09:22.307000+08:00","text":"也就詐騙財損有沒有實際下架，這才是我們民眾所需要的！","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-06-03T12:09:22.707000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:09:32.831000+08:00","text":"沒錯，沒錯，這個就像一個棒球隊一樣，每個人有每個人負責的，譬如三壘手守三壘、游擊手守游擊，我們數發部守的就是網路這個部分……","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-06-03T12:09:33.251000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:09:42.214000+08:00","text":"你守的是網路的部分，但是現在的現象是財損並沒有下降，而且在增加，你的末端是在增加，你要怎麼樣去防堵？","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-06-03T12:09:42.514000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:09:52.982000+08:00","text":"所以，我個人要告訴你，是不是要去檢討現行的機制，也就是新的平台責任強化這個方案。","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-06-03T12:09:54.003000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:09:54.303000+08:00","text":"您說呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-06-03T12:09:55.384000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:10:00.267000+08:00","text":"是，我們一定會努力再想辦法改進。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-06-03T12:10:00.267000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:10:00.867000+08:00","text":"你告訴我要怎麼想辦法改進？","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-06-03T12:10:01.507000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:10:06.869000+08:00","text":"到目前為止，民眾的財損是增加的，民眾是非常難過的。","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-06-03T12:10:07.349000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:10:10.869000+08:00","text":"在這樣的情況之下，請問你可以怎麼樣去調整？","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-06-03T12:10:11.450000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:10:17.171000+08:00","text":"多久時間可以調整你這個新的平台責任強化方案？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-06-03T12:10:17.371000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:10:18.611000+08:00","text":"告訴社會大眾要多久時間。","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-06-03T12:10:18.611000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:10:19.491000+08:00","text":"是，我就是講……","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-06-03T12:10:19.531000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:10:20.051000+08:00","text":"你多久時間可以告訴我們？抱歉……","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-06-03T12:10:25.860000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:10:28.702000+08:00","text":"你新的方案要多少時間可以告訴我們？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-06-03T12:10:28.702000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:10:43.854000+08:00","text":"如果要問整體的財損數字，這個真的要問內政部的打詐指揮中心；前面三項我剛剛已經跟委員報告過，下架廣告數量到現在是46萬件，通報數量是96萬件，平台配合率，下架的話是100%，時間是3.5個小時。","quality":0.823},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-06-03T12:10:43.854000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:10:45.015000+08:00","text":"檢討現行的這個機制還有精進的空間，我們去討論。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"楊委員瓊瓔","start":"2026-06-03T12:10:48.738000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:11:03.576000+08:00","text":"我們的目的是要讓詐騙廣告上不了架，我們要讓假帳號活不下去，我們要讓詐騙集團賺不到錢，這才是我們運用這麼多人力、這麼多預算要達到的目的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-06-03T12:11:04.196000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:11:05.318000+08:00","text":"是，完全同意。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林部長宜敬","start":"2026-06-03T12:11:06.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:11:06.860000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。謝謝。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-03T12:11:07.360000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T12:11:10.502857+08:00","text":"謝謝楊瓊瓔委員，謝謝部長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-03T12:11:10.802857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T12:11:14.517143+08:00","text":"接下來我們請鄭正鈐委員發言。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-03T12:11:14.817143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T12:11:17.102857+08:00","text":"鄭正鈐、鄭正鈐不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-03T12:11:17.402857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T12:11:19.688571+08:00","text":"請洪毓祥委員發言。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-03T12:11:19.988571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T12:11:22.274286+08:00","text":"洪毓祥、洪毓祥不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-03T12:11:22.574286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T12:11:25.431429+08:00","text":"現在請伍麗華委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}