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謝謝謝謝委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T12:19:59.330000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:20:00.631000+08:00","text":"主席好，麻煩請NCC主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-03T12:20:02.073000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:20:02.213000+08:00","text":"請陳主委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-06-03T12:20:02.213000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T12:20:09.960000+08:00","text":"委員午安。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T12:20:09.960000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:20:09.960000+08:00","text":"主委好。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T12:20:10.420000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:20:15.585000+08:00","text":"上次問過你，NCC好像到7月就沒有委員了？是。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T12:20:16.886000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:20:22.452000+08:00","text":"上次也請你告訴卓院長，NCC沒有委員會發生什麼狀況，不知道你是否告訴過他？","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-06-03T12:20:22.932000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:20:23.793000+08:00","text":"有，至少講了3次。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T12:20:23.873000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:20:24.473000+08:00","text":"他的態度是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-06-03T12:20:26.535000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:20:35.382000+08:00","text":"院裡大概是說已廣泛徵詢各界人才，但是都不好找、不容易找。是喔！","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T12:20:35.882000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:20:39.345000+08:00","text":"他已經廣泛徵詢，但是不好找，所以MCC就沒有委員了？","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T12:20:41.967000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:20:48.472000+08:00","text":"因為卓榮泰告訴你，他知道這件事情很嚴重，但是人不好找，所以乾脆就不要有委員。","quality":0.853},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T12:20:49.713000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:20:55.037000+08:00","text":"代理主委，就你的看法，NCC這樣還算是一個獨立機關嗎？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-06-03T12:20:57.037000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:20:58.298000+08:00","text":"獨立機關依據……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T12:20:58.298000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:21:01.140000+08:00","text":"當初我們為什麼會成立NCC，你應該也知道這個背景吧？知道。","quality":0.654},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T12:21:02.441000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:21:18.492000+08:00","text":"仿造美國的FCC，認為應該要有一個獨立機關監管媒體，政治不要伸入媒體裡面，所以需要一個NCC，結果現在NCC的存廢是看行政院長有沒有積極廣泛的去找委員。","quality":0.901},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T12:21:18.492000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:21:25.360000+08:00","text":"我相信如果他認真去找的話，還是會有人想要做，但是他不認為這件事情很重要，所以就擺爛啊！","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T12:21:26.901000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:21:29.282000+08:00","text":"你的任期是到6月底嗎？7月31日。","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T12:21:29.282000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:21:35.265000+08:00","text":"到7月31日，我看到媒體報導是說接下來要指派一位代理主委，是吧？","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-06-03T12:21:36.126000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:21:36.446000+08:00","text":"就是報派……","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T12:21:36.886000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:21:41.469000+08:00","text":"報派的代理主委，然後NCC就從獨立機關變首長制了。我們……","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T12:21:43.730000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:21:51.035000+08:00","text":"因為是行政院指派，當然就聽命於行政院，所以就更可以把政治的手伸入媒體了。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-06-03T12:21:52.691000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:22:03.416000+08:00","text":"不會發生這種事情，因為組織法第九條第二項第六款等等，其實很多都是委員會保留事項，沒有委員就無法組成委員會，沒有委員會就無法推行許多重大的決策、重大的法令。","quality":0.873},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T12:22:04.236000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:22:04.717000+08:00","text":"沒有辦法做？對。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T12:22:06.357000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:22:08.898000+08:00","text":"這就表示行政院不認為這件事情很重要啊！","quality":0.722},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T12:22:09.238000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:22:09.939000+08:00","text":"沒有人做也無所謂啊！","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-06-03T12:22:10.759000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:22:18.206000+08:00","text":"不是，還有其他不需委員會處理的層次，有些是我們委託外面機關處理。","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T12:22:18.787000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:22:26.634000+08:00","text":"代理主委，我知道你也很為難，因為問題不在於你，只是透過與你之間的詢答，我覺得行政院根本就是開玩笑嘛！","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T12:22:28.035000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:22:38.971000+08:00","text":"從來不把NCC的業務當一回事，7月底就沒有委員了，你自己覺得很嚴重，許多事情都會停擺，但是行政院長卻不當一回事，這也凸顯了NCC好像是可有可無嘛！","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"陳代理主任委員崇樹","start":"2026-06-03T12:22:39.592000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T12:22:40.57200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2.634000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝委員。謝謝。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-03T12:29:03.134000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T12:29:06.562571+08:00","text":"好，謝謝葉元之委員、謝謝部長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-03T12:29:06.862571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T12:29:10.291143+08:00","text":"接下來我們請游顥委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}