{"error":false,"id":["169808"],"data":{"IVOD_ID":169808,"IVOD_URL":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169808","日期":"2026-06-03","會議資料":{"會議代碼":"委員會-11-5-26-13","會議代碼:str":"第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第13次全體委員會議","屆":11,"會期":5,"會次":13,"臨時會會次":null,"種類":"委員會","委員會代碼":[26],"委員會代碼:str":["社會福利及衛生環境委員會"],"標題":"第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第13次全體委員會議"},"影片種類":"Clip","開始時間":"2026-06-03T13:18:21+08:00","結束時間":"2026-06-03T13:23:42+08:00","影片長度":"00:05:21","支援功能":["ai-transcript","gazette"],"video_url":"https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/5329b193fad0412580788eb360ccd0fd5efbe1c17d8a0199731b75f405192e5c165d56d12b5959f05ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8","委員名稱":"王安祥","委員發言時間":"13:18:21 - 13:23:42","會議時間":"2026-06-03T09:00:00+08:00","會議名稱":"立法院第11屆第5會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：(6月3日上午9時起)\n一、審查「性別平等工作法」修正草案等100案。\n(一)委員范雲等17人擬具「性別平等工作法部分條文修正草案」案。\n(二)委員郭昱晴等17人擬具「性別平等工作法第十五條條文修正草案」案。\n(三)委員萬美玲等35人擬具「性別平等工作法第十五條條文修正草案」案。\n(四)委員黃秀芳等18人擬具「性別平等工作法第十五條條文修正草案」案。\n(五)委員黃健豪等21人擬具「性別平等工作法第二十條條文修正草案」案。\n(六)委員黃健豪等21人擬具「性別平等工作法第十九條之一及第二十一條條文修正草案」案。\n(七)委員李彥秀等22人擬具「性別平等工作法第十五條條文修正草案」案。\n(八)委員許智傑等25人擬具「性別平等工作法第二十條條文修正草案」案。\n(九)委員吳宗憲等16人擬具「性別平等工作法第十四條條文修正草案」案。\n(十)委員吳宗憲等17人擬具「性別平等工作法第十五條條文修正草案」案。\n......(因系統字數上限，詳見議事日程)\n二、審查「就業保險法」修正草案等88案。\n(一)委員謝衣鳯等19人擬具「就業保險法第十條、第十一條及第十九條之三條文修正草案」案。\n(二)委員范雲等17人擬具「就業保險法第十一條及第十九條之二條文修正草案」案。\n(三)委員許宇甄等22人擬具「就業保險法第十一條條文修正草案」案。\n(四)委員邱鎮軍等20人擬具「就業保險法第十一條條文修正草案」案。\n(五)委員謝衣鳯等17人擬具「就業保險法第十四條條文修正草案」案。\n(六)委員黃健豪等20人擬具「就業保險法第十條、第十一條及第十九條之三條文修正草案」案。\n(七)委員林淑芬等23人擬具「就業保險法第十一條及第十九條之三條文修正草案」案。\n(八)委員徐欣瑩等20人擬具「就業保險法第十九條之二條文修正草案」案。\n(九)委員涂權吉等16人擬具「就業保險法第十條、第十一條及第十九條之二條文修正草案」案。\n(十)委員王育敏等18人擬具「就業保險法部分條文修正草案」案。\n......(因系統字數上限，詳見議事日程)\n【綜合詢答，僅詢答】\n【第一（一○○）案及第二（八十八）案，如經復議則不予審查】\n(6月3日下午2時30分起)\n(6月3日若上午議程尚未結束，待結束後接續召開)\n一、繼續審查中華民國115年度中央政府總預算案關於勞動部主管預算。(公務及非營業特種基金預算案)。\n二、繼續審查勞動部函送財團法人職業災害預防及重建中心115年度預算書案。\n【6月3日、6月4日二天一次會】）","transcript":{"pyannote":[{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"王委員安祥","start":2.79846875,"end":5.34659375,"speaker_score":0.923},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":4.7897187500000005,"end":5.0934687499999995,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"王委員安祥","start":10.240343750000001,"end":78.31409375,"speaker_score":0.923},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":10.40909375,"end":10.965968750000002,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":39.88971875,"end":42.134093750000005,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":78.63471875,"end":100.75784375,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":100.97721875,"end":119.72534375000001,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"王委員安祥","start":107.79471875,"end":109.41471875,"speaker_score":0.923},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"王委員安祥","start":115.33784375,"end":115.81034375,"speaker_score":0.923},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"王委員安祥","start":118.17284375000001,"end":118.49346875,"speaker_score":0.923},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":119.82659375,"end":124.33221875000001,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"王委員安祥","start":120.68721875000001,"end":121.61534375000001,"speaker_score":0.923},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"王委員安祥","start":122.59409375000001,"end":125.85096875,"speaker_score":0.923},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":125.63159375000001,"end":127.94346875000001,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"王委員安祥","start":125.93534375,"end":126.47534375000001,"speaker_score":0.923},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"王委員安祥","start":127.94346875000001,"end":143.55284375000002,"speaker_score":0.923},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":143.55284375000002,"end":164.44409375,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":164.88284375,"end":165.82784375,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":166.67159375,"end":167.19471875000002,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":168.39284375,"end":170.46846875,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"王委員安祥","start":168.91596875000002,"end":171.05909375000002,"speaker_score":0.923},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":171.59909375,"end":188.08596875,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"王委員安祥","start":177.28596875000002,"end":177.55596875,"speaker_score":0.923},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"王委員安祥","start":178.80471875,"end":179.15909375,"speaker_score":0.923},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"王委員安祥","start":186.78659375,"end":189.82409375,"speaker_score":0.923},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":189.38534375,"end":199.00409375,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"王委員安祥","start":190.90409375000002,"end":191.49471875,"speaker_score":0.923},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"王委員安祥","start":199.54409375,"end":199.56096875,"speaker_score":0.923},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":199.56096875,"end":200.47221875000002,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"王委員安祥","start":200.47221875000002,"end":200.50596875000002,"speaker_score":0.923},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":200.50596875000002,"end":200.55659375000002,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"王委員安祥","start":200.55659375000002,"end":200.60721875000002,"speaker_score":0.923},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":200.60721875000002,"end":201.58596875,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":201.97409375,"end":204.75846875000002,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":205.06221875,"end":209.09534375,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"王委員安祥","start":209.17971875,"end":258.80909375,"speaker_score":0.923},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":259.61909375,"end":263.93909375000004,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"王委員安祥","start":262.08284375,"end":263.56784375,"speaker_score":0.923},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":263.95596875,"end":264.07409375000003,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":264.19221875,"end":265.06971875,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":265.35659375,"end":266.25096875,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":266.35221875,"end":270.03096875,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":270.31784375,"end":275.59971875,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"王委員安祥","start":275.88659375000003,"end":296.64284375,"speaker_score":0.923},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":297.87471875,"end":306.02534375000005,"speaker_score":0.967},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"王委員安祥","start":301.31721875,"end":301.95846875,"speaker_score":0.923},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"王委員安祥","start":306.02534375000005,"end":320.21721875000003,"speaker_score":0.923},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"王委員安祥","start":320.30159375,"end":320.97659375,"speaker_score":0.923},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"洪部長申翰","start":320.97659375,"end":321.21284375000005,"speaker_score":0.967}],"whisperx":[{"start":2.99,"end":5.591,"text":"主席好,有請部長有請黃部長部長好,我非常關注今天的幾個議題,包括性供跟救保的部分我早上來來去去,因為我現在在其他的委員會剛剛李委員講到,我覺得非常幸運過去我們產假8週其實大家努力很久因為過去大家的說法上,因為後面有流停制度"},{"start":32.678,"end":52.088,"text":"不過我很開心,我來了以後就提了一個產價希望能夠延長到10個月,就是10週我看到你們擬主張是10週是是,我想說很快就變成12週那當然我後面,後段的部分我們希望現在應該叫育兒流停,以前育嬰流停我們是希望能夠拉到9個月"},{"start":54.349,"end":78.135,"text":"現在看到這個布的版本就是6加3嘛就兩個都請完我就是透過這個十九條之三我覺得也很不錯不過接下來可能就要逐條有幾個問題我想請教就教一下部長第一個就是那個我看到那個勞動部的版本的十九條之二那基本上好像還是停留在六成因為現在兩成是透過補助的方式我不曉得這次為什麼不把它一步到位直接改成八成就好"},{"start":78.935,"end":107.283,"text":"跟委員說明第一個因為他當然是我想委員很清楚這是社會保險那尤其是救保他其實原本設計的主體他其實平常是在處理就業跟失業的問題那因為我們的失業給付其實也是六成所以我們也覺得說今天在當失業給付是六成的時候這個育兒留庭或育嬰留庭的部分其實在這個之間的橫評上面尤其是從基金出的部分裡面不應該去超過"},{"start":109.344,"end":127.134,"text":"因為制度設計的原初最重要的目的其實是就業促進跟處理失業的問題所以我們還是讓它是留在六成但是那個兩成的部分我們還是會公務預算來補滿所以是八成是不會變的八成不會變這政策上面是絕對不會變"},{"start":128.015,"end":150.815,"text":"OK好那第二個就是那個部長有宣示說那個電話板會打開嘛那現在45800的話因為現在災保是79800嘛其實可以對照的啦不過看起來郎木縣好像說會五萬啦之前那個精算的結果是不是可以大概跟大家說因為有好幾個級距五萬塊第一個一樣在這個就業保險裡面其實他都還有另外一個很重要的是事業給付的部分"},{"start":151.556,"end":166.769,"text":"今天我們也必須要去權衡一件事情是說假如我舉個例子我如果在挑板上線如果拉太高的時候我們也不希望出現說領失業給付的人拿到的薪資比方說高過拿"},{"start":168.427,"end":188.834,"text":"拿本來不優惠的工資了解對不對就變成說你明明沒有在工作你明明是失業的狀態結果你拿的錢反而比有工作的多所以這個部分也需要去考慮這是為什麼現在基本上我們是希望這一次把它脫鉤以後我們是朝向可能是五萬出頭的角度因為五萬出頭假如就是50600還是5300假設50600的話50600的話它如果你算六成的話大概是三萬"},{"start":196.456,"end":220.967,"text":"那3萬跟我們的最低工資其實是差不多的所以部長的意思可能就是5萬出頭比較順暢那主要是考慮到失業給付的部分那這部分就會跟災保是不太一樣的那另外一個就是今天早上我看到也有其他委員在提這個事情那我也到交通委員會去質詢過就是有關於航空公司他們違反一些勞動法的部分"},{"start":221.787,"end":237.686,"text":"那我想今天應該在性評這邊嘛那早上我也有提到有些這個現在很多航空公司啊這個就以115年為例啦現在就有好幾起啊這個違反性評的部分啦可能是第7條或是可能是第21條啦我想這個這個我們今天"},{"start":240.549,"end":258.432,"text":"都非常希望就性皮的部分不管是不利的這個待遇啦或者是希望這個他能夠請這種所謂的育嬰留庭啦育兒留庭啦或是很多這個產假啦或是一些新的假期我不曉得現在航空公司他們這個狀況上部長部長看法是怎麼樣"},{"start":260.374,"end":275.474,"text":"第一個是今天早上其實也有委員關注這個議題那我想對我們來說其實很簡單這個法就是在那個地方法在這個地方該守法該遵守法規的就必須遵守法規所以法尊才是最基本的"},{"start":276.134,"end":295.848,"text":"因為我在江戶那邊,因為我想航空公司最重要的是他們的航權,他們有一個航權分配的綱要,我那時候問他,他們也說可以問一下,他們是目的世界組織機關,那對航空組織機關部長你覺得,有沒有可能把違反勞動法的部分納入到他們航權分配的綱要裡面?"},{"start":298.212,"end":319.611,"text":"這當然是要看民安局的權限啦從我們角度來說當然就是在勞動法規的部分必須要遵守對對對 因為我想啦這個可能我們有時候覺得財閥30萬覺得一般世界單位可能很多錢不過對航空公司可能還不算什麼啦所以希望這個建議可以我們再來進一步的討論以上 謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-06-03T13:18:23.990000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:18:24.250000+08:00","text":"主席好，有請部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-03T13:18:24.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:18:24.290000+08:00","text":"有請洪部長。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T13:18:24.290000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T13:18:25.290000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-06-03T13:18:24.290000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:18:25.510000+08:00","text":"部長，我非常關注今天的幾個議題，包含性工與就保，早上我來來去去，因為我現在是在其他委員會。","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-06-03T13:18:25.510000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:19:01.122000+08:00","text":"剛剛李委員講到的讓我覺得我非常幸運，因為過去產假8週，其實大家已努力很久，說法是後面有留停制度，而我很開心是因為我來了以後就提了希望產假延長到10週的主張。","quality":0.757},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T13:19:01.122000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:19:02.623000+08:00","text":"我有看到你主張10週。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-06-03T13:19:03.523000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:19:05.944000+08:00","text":"沒想到部長很快地變成12週。","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-06-03T13:19:06.044000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:19:22.051000+08:00","text":"當然，對於現在後段的育兒留停，也就是以前的育嬰留停，我們希望拉到9個月，不過現在看到部的版本是6+3，也就是兩個都請完，我覺得透過第十九條之三改進也很不錯。","quality":0.574},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-06-03T13:19:22.611000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:19:26.812000+08:00","text":"接下來可能要逐條處理，我就有幾個問題想就教部長。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-06-03T13:19:26.812000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:19:39.115000+08:00","text":"第一，我看到勞動部版本第十九條之二，基本上好像還是停留在6成，因為現在有2成是透過補助，這次為什麼不一步到位，直接改為8成就好了？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T13:19:39.935000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:20:21.270000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，第一，我想委員很清楚這是社會保險，尤其是就保，它原本設計的主體其實是處理就業與失業問題，而失業給付也是6成，當失業給付是6成的時候，基於與育兒留停或育嬰留停之間的衡平，尤其是從基金出的部分不應該超過失業給付，因為制度設計原來最重要的目的其實是就業促進與處理失業問題，所以我們還是讓它留在6成，但是那2成……","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-06-03T13:20:21.270000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T13:20:22.311000+08:00","text":"還是補助？","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T13:20:22.311000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:20:24.192000+08:00","text":"我們還是會以公務預算補滿，這沒有問題。","quality":0.647},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-06-03T13:20:24.192000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:20:26.433000+08:00","text":"所以8成是不會變的？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T13:20:26.854000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:20:29.255000+08:00","text":"8成不會變，政策上絕對不會變。OK。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-06-03T13:20:29.616000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:20:38.003000+08:00","text":"第二，部長曾宣示天花板會打開，現在是四萬五千八，而災保是七萬兩千八，其實是可以對照的。","quality":0.579},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-06-03T13:20:39.124000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:20:43.488000+08:00","text":"勞動部好像說會達到五萬，那麼現在精算的結果是不是可以大概跟大家說明？","quality":0.719},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-06-03T13:20:43.488000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:20:44.028000+08:00","text":"因為有好幾個級距。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T13:20:44.028000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T13:20:45.670000+08:00","text":"好，跟委員說明。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T13:20:45.670000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:20:51.375000+08:00","text":"第一，在就業保險裡面其實一樣還有另一個很重要的部分，就是失業給付。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T13:20:52.996000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:21:11.608000+08:00","text":"我們也必須權衡一件事，如果天花板上限拉太高，我們也不希望領失業給付的人拿到的薪資高過有工作者的工資。","quality":0.851},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-06-03T13:21:11.608000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T13:21:14.089000+08:00","text":"對，就是薪水啦！了解。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T13:21:14.089000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:21:26.773000+08:00","text":"否則明明沒在工作、明明是失業狀態，拿的錢反而比有工作的人多，所以這部分也需要考慮，這是為什麼我們希望在這次脫鉤以後，朝向五萬出頭的角度。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T13:21:26.913000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:21:27.653000+08:00","text":"因為五萬出頭的6成……","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-06-03T13:21:27.893000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:21:28.153000+08:00","text":"就是50,600元還是五萬三千多元？","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T13:21:28.393000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:21:40.578000+08:00","text":"假設是50,600元的話，6成大概是3萬元，而3萬元與最低工資其實是差不多的。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-06-03T13:21:40.898000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:21:44.519000+08:00","text":"所以部長的意思可能是五萬出頭？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T13:21:46.160000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:21:50.582000+08:00","text":"對，主要是考慮失業給付，這部分跟災保就不太一樣。了解。","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-06-03T13:21:51.662000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:22:01.687000+08:00","text":"另外，我今天早上看到其他委員提這件事，我也到交通委員會質詢過，就是航空公司違反勞動法的問題。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-06-03T13:22:03.768000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:22:17.544000+08:00","text":"今天在這邊處理性平，早上有委員提到，現在很多航空公司在115年就有好幾起違反性平法的案件，可能是第七條、可能是第二十一條。","quality":0.717},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-06-03T13:22:18.486000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:22:39.432000+08:00","text":"我們今天都非常希望就性平加以改善，不管是福利待遇、請育嬰留停、育兒留停、產假或其他假期上，不曉得部長對於航空公司這些狀況看法怎麼樣？","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T13:22:41.374000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:22:56.454000+08:00","text":"第一，今天早上其實也有委員關心這件事，對我們來說其實很簡單，法就是在那個地方，該守法、該遵守法規的就必須遵守法規，所以法遵是最基本的。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-06-03T13:22:57.775000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:23:05.120000+08:00","text":"我在交通委員會那邊問了民航局，因為我想對航空公司最重要的就是他們的航權分配綱要。","quality":0.684},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-06-03T13:23:06.001000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:23:11.945000+08:00","text":"我當時問他們，他們也說可以問一下，他們是目的事業主管機關，那麼就勞動主管機關而言，部長，你覺得呢？","quality":0.651},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-06-03T13:23:12.545000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:23:16.808000+08:00","text":"有沒有可能把違反勞動法納入航權分配綱要？","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T13:23:19.212000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:23:25.878000+08:00","text":"這當然是民航局的權限，從我們的角度來說，當然就是必須遵守勞動法規。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-06-03T13:23:28.801000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:23:40.511000+08:00","text":"我想裁罰30萬元對一般事業單位來說可能是很多錢，不過對航空公司來說可能還不算什麼，所以建議進一步討論。","quality":0.652},{"speaker":"王委員安祥","start":"2026-06-03T13:23:40.511000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:23:40.611000+08:00","text":"以上，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-03T13:23:41.111000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T13:23:43.968143+08:00","text":"謝謝王安祥委員的發言。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-03T13:23:44.268143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T13:23:47.411000+08:00","text":"接下來請李坤城委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}