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謝謝部長謝謝王振興委員發言"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-06-03T13:30:00.015000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:30:00.996000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，有請勞動部洪部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-03T13:30:00.996000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:30:01.076000+08:00","text":"有請洪部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪部長申翰","start":"2026-06-03T13:30:01.076000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T13:30:02.076000+08:00","text":"王委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-06-03T13:30:01.076000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:30:01.096000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-06-03T13:30:01.116000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:30:03.278000+08:00","text":"首先，非常肯定賴總統提出的臺灣人口對策新戰略，相信在擬定過程裡，部長跟勞動部同仁都非常辛苦，而且努力推動這些改善臺灣少子女化、讓臺灣就業環境更友善的政策。","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-06-03T13:30:26.837000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:30:53.395000+08:00","text":"當然，我們很希望修法能夠順利通過，不過在通過以後，未來如何確實落實是更為重要的事情，所以我有3個部分要跟部長討論：第一是職代津貼跟替代人力；第二是保障如何包含在職未滿6個月的雙親；第三是育嬰留停6+3的適用條件與相關社會保險保費的支持協助，有這3個部分。","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-06-03T13:30:53.875000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:30:56.456000+08:00","text":"第一個部分就是完善職代津貼和替代人力。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-06-03T13:30:57.096000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:31:16.686000+08:00","text":"我們也知道津貼的提高和假的增加，大家都非常樂意看到這樣的政策，克服少子女化的困難並可以持續再改善，可是如果能夠讓勞工敢請，而且請得到，才會是政策落實的關鍵。","quality":0.819},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-06-03T13:31:16.886000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:31:24.508000+08:00","text":"可不可以請部長和同仁說明一下職代津貼部分的配套設計、規劃？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-06-03T13:31:24.508000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:31:31.271000+08:00","text":"因為我們知道有一些人不敢請，可能和企業的雇主壓力、人力考量、職場等等都有關係，包括同儕壓力。","quality":0.902},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-06-03T13:31:33.051000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:31:37.992000+08:00","text":"所以請問一下，這個財源預計從哪裡來？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-06-03T13:31:37.992000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:31:39.253000+08:00","text":"執行的具體規劃？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-06-03T13:31:39.253000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:31:41.533000+08:00","text":"如何確保申請和行政上的便利性？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-06-03T13:31:41.953000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:31:46.875000+08:00","text":"如果執行起來很不方便的話，相對來講它的執行可能性就會變少。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-06-03T13:31:47.315000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:31:50.436000+08:00","text":"如何確保津貼會發到勞工的手上？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-06-03T13:31:50.716000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:31:53.476000+08:00","text":"如何確保補充、替代人力的充足？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-06-03T13:31:53.797000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:31:56.057000+08:00","text":"會不會造成在職勞工超時？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-06-03T13:31:56.057000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:32:02.282000+08:00","text":"如何確保請育嬰留停的勞工，之後回到職場的時候還有工作可以做？","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-06-03T13:32:03.203000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:32:05.085000+08:00","text":"這幾點部長可不可以再做一些說明？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員正旭","start":"2026-06-03T13:32:05.546000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:32:05.826000+08:00","text":"或者是……","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃司長琦雅","start":"2026-06-03T13:32:07.728000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:32:23.564000+08:00","text":"委員剛剛提到的是減少工時的部分，首先是第一個層面，現在的性工法第十九條就有相關規定，但是經過我們調查，其實就如同委員提到的，敢請的勞工比例並沒有很高。","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"黃司長琦雅","start":"2026-06-03T13:32:24.424000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:32:34.949000+08:00","text":"通常原因會是兩個層面，一個是雇主有經營成本的考量，畢竟勞工請假會少一個勞動力。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"黃司長琦雅","start":"2026-06-03T13:32:36.069000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:32:42.072000+08:00","text":"對育兒勞工而言，還有一個很大的壓力，就是同事要幫忙做他減少的那一小時的工作。","quality":0.771},{"speaker":"黃司長琦雅","start":"2026-06-03T13:32:42.552000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:32:50.916000+08:00","text":"所以我們這一次的獎勵就從這兩個層面著手，我們讓雇主知道，你同意勞工請假，其實你的成本是不會增加的，因為政府全額補貼那一小時的工資。","quality":0.55},{"speaker":"黃司長琦雅","start":"2026-06-03T13:32:54.217000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:33:03.961000+08:00","text":"我們也讓育兒勞工的最大壓力消除，就是對同事不好意思，所以同事如果有職代，我們會給予職代津貼。","quality":0.595},{"speaker":"黃司長琦雅","start":"2026-06-03T13:33:05.482000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:33:13.367000+08:00","text":"職代津貼其實是工資的一部分，所以企業如果願意給同事職代津貼，對於同事而言也是一種工資增加的正面獎勵，在這樣的機制下會讓育兒勞工更敢請假，因為對同事而言，其實他的薪資津貼也有增加。","quality":0.928},{"speaker":"黃司長琦雅","start":"2026-06-03T13:33:13.407000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:33:40.090000+08:00","text":"當然，委員剛剛提到的，為避免同事工作時間過長，所以如果育兒勞工請假時間比較長的，我們也鼓勵企業用替代人力的方式，避免職場同事有過勞的狀況。","quality":0.984},{"speaker":"黃司長琦雅","start":"2026-06-03T13:33:40.110000+08:00","guessed":false,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