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那葉委員所提的資料再麻煩交通部兩個禮拜內提供"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T13:30:17.537000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:30:19.479000+08:00","text":"主席好，麻煩請交通部。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-03T13:30:19.479000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T13:30:27.405000+08:00","text":"陳次長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-06-03T13:30:27.405000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T13:30:35.331000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T13:30:35.331000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:30:35.331000+08:00","text":"次長好。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T13:30:36.031000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:31:04.393000+08:00","text":"今天我們是來討論我國測速照相設備的執行成效有沒有不合理的地方要精進，我是有看到內政部包括交通部的報告，其實都傳達一個概念，就是我們設置這些測速或者是區間測速的目的是希望能夠降低事故的風險，主要是以維持交通安全為主，不是以處罰為目的吧？是。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T13:31:04.913000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:31:05.794000+08:00","text":"應該不是吧？不是。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T13:31:05.974000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:31:42.240000+08:00","text":"因為最近我們收到很多民怨，等一下也許可以請警政署長來說明，我們都收到很多民怨，感覺警察現在都是以收到罰單為主，譬如說有人可能併排一下下，然後人在車上，警察就把他攔下來，他要開走不讓他走，不讓他走其實更妨礙交通，但是就讓他在那邊妨礙交通，目的就是為了要開罰單，所以有的時候到底是要排除交通的問題，還是目的是為了要收罰單，我覺得現在很多民眾心中都有很多問號啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T13:31:43.541000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:31:44.622000+08:00","text":"等一下可以再請警政署說明。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T13:31:44.842000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:31:53.506000+08:00","text":"我今天想要跟交通部先來討論區間測速到底有沒有必要，因為之前已經討論過非常多遍，也都請你們給我報告，但是我看了之後都覺得不是很滿意啦！","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T13:31:54.387000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:32:17.967000+08:00","text":"就像我拿到最新的一份報告，也是交通部所給的報告，上面講得很清楚，它說區間測速你們執法的原理是希望能夠從點的控制轉變為線的控制，以達到車速穩定的狀態，這個是你報告上面寫的，但是實際上我們講很多次，區間測速你是算頭尾嘛！","quality":0.94},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T13:32:19.069000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:32:25.615000+08:00","text":"比如說有2公里，那這2公里裡面，你確定它都是在平均速限嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T13:32:25.615000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:32:25.956000+08:00","text":"不是嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T13:32:26.797000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:32:32.522000+08:00","text":"假設你的速限是70公里，它有可能是100公里，也有可能是40公里啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T13:32:32.963000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:32:36.806000+08:00","text":"反正最後只要平均70公里，不要超過就好，不是嗎？","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T13:32:36.806000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:32:48.253000+08:00","text":"所以區間測速在執行面上並不能夠達到你講的，你以為只要算頭尾就一定能夠在整個過程當中大家維持那個平均數字，我覺得不是，為什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T13:32:48.253000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:33:05.262000+08:00","text":"因為有的時候你速限訂得太低，大家開得很順，自然而然就超速，他不是故意超速，就是開得很順就超速了，結果到了尾端的時候、到終點的時候發現可能會超過平均速率，所以他就刻意降速，那降速反而會造成危險。","quality":0.954},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T13:33:06.702000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:33:50.302000+08:00","text":"第二個，之前也講過，因為你讓大家開車的時候不斷地去注意儀表板，而我們都知道事故發生的最主要原因就是沒有注意前方，但他要一直看著儀表板，因為他要控制那個速率，有些人是這樣，那反而更會造成事故，所以我一直認為你要設照相機可以，你定點，然後一個合理的數字，我覺得這個大家可以接受，但是區間測速這件事情，很多人都認為它沒有效，而且是多餘的，甚至於會造成危險的一個方式，我知道每一次只要講這個東西，上次交通部好像也是次長嘛？是。","quality":0.942},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T13:33:51.103000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:34:02.155000+08:00","text":"就會舉一個數字說根據你們的資料，其實區間測速是比較安全的，在今天內政部的報告也有，上面怎麼講呢？","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T13:34:02.415000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:34:23.256000+08:00","text":"上面就說112年全般交通事故是1,014件，其中A1死亡是9人，A2受傷585人，然後114年事故是994件，相較於112年有減少，死亡人數有變少，這個是內政部的報告上面寫的。","quality":0.898},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T13:34:24.137000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:34:54.646000+08:00","text":"可是這張PPT也是我跟內政部警政署要的資料，你們講112年、114年就沒講113年，你自己看，這個是設區間測速的事故統計表，113年到114年，它的事故件數是增加的，而且受傷人數也增加，換言之，從113年到114年這個數字就可以顯示，你設區間測速不見得比較安全。","quality":0.848},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T13:34:55.566000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:35:06.554000+08:00","text":"我們再來看宜蘭縣的狀況，宜蘭縣在114年把整個區間測速取消，結果你看，受傷人數其實也沒有增加很多啊！","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T13:35:07.175000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:35:23.052000+08:00","text":"而且全般事故件數還減少，所以我一直不覺得區間測速對交通安全真的有直接的幫助，即便是有，你用其他的替代方式搞不好可以達到一樣的效果啊！","quality":0.984},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T13:35:25.193000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:35:37.281000+08:00","text":"所以次長，我們是不是真的請交通部你認真地去研究區間測速到底有沒有用，不要一直用這種數字來搪塞，這個沒有辦法說服大家啦！次長。","quality":0.965},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-06-03T13:35:42.261000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:36:04.019000+08:00","text":"委員長期關心區間測速，也對這個提出很多的看法跟建議，但是到目前為止我們所看到的數據，雖然有年度之間的差別，或者是有一些縣市上不同的反映，但是我們整體上來看，還是朝著交通安全事故減少、死亡人數減少這樣的趨勢……"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-03T13:39:30.575000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:39:33.756000+08:00","text":"中央機關如果做事都是這樣子的話，哇！","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T13:39:33.756000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:39:35.797000+08:00","text":"那真的是非常地好做耶！","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T13:39:36.397000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:39:42.520000+08:00","text":"今天如果大家把民怨反映給交通部，交通部就要比較積極地去跟各縣市政府討論怎麼去改這個速限嘛！","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T13:39:42.940000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:39:45.221000+08:00","text":"怎麼會把研究案發給他們就了事了呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T13:39:45.881000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:39:47.662000+08:00","text":"就會讓大家覺得交通部沒有在做事嘛！","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-06-03T13:39:48.082000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:39:54.270000+08:00","text":"我們給了地方政府以後，我們每一年大概都有道安視導，甚至每個月都會跟地方政府的道安會報來做檢討。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T13:39:54.270000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:39:58.155000+08:00","text":"好，那請問一下，你們這一、兩年跟地方政府針對速限檢討總共檢討了幾處？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-06-03T13:39:58.155000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T13:40:03.568000+08:00","text":"速限檢討是跟地方政府再來討論……","quality":0.143},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T13:40:03.568000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:40:03.568000+08:00","text":"檢討了幾處？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T13:40:03.568000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:40:08.949000+08:00","text":"然後甚至於有修正的，譬如說哪個地方，你說你都有檢討嘛！","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T13:40:08.949000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:40:13.050000+08:00","text":"哪幾個地方是你們覺得他們訂得不合理或者是說訂得合理的，幾處？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T13:40:13.050000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:40:16.051000+08:00","text":"你給我一個資料，不要在這邊隨便講嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T13:40:16.411000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:40:29.734000+08:00","text":"你給我一個資料，這幾年你們很積極地跟地方政府去討論速限，然後你們覺得訂太高叫它訂低一點，或者訂太低叫它訂高一點，或者是說你覺得很合理叫它不用變的，有幾處？","quality":0.887},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T13:40:29.734000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:40:35.737000+08:00","text":"你給我這兩年交通部跟各縣市政府討論之後的結果，主席裁示一下，好不好？","quality":0.806},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T13:40:35.837000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:40:38.779000+08:00","text":"請他給我這個檢討資料，不要在這邊隨便講嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-06-03T13:40:39.239000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:40:41.281000+08:00","text":"我們可以請地方政府提供出來。","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T13:40:42.602000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:40:44.363000+08:00","text":"我現在就是覺得你們太消極了嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T13:40:44.703000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:40:48.826000+08:00","text":"給研究報告，然後你剛剛講說你們都有很積極研究，好，那你給我資料，你不要在那邊隨便講啊！","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T13:40:50.147000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:40:55.151000+08:00","text":"請你給我，兩個禮拜就給我這兩年交通部跟各縣市政府檢討速率的資料。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-06-03T13:40:55.151000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T13:40:56.151000+08:00","text":"我剛才講的是說，我們跟地方政府都會透過縣市的道安會報在做這樣的一個檢討。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T13:40:55.351000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:40:56.491000+08:00","text":"沒關係，你提供給我再來講，好不好？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T13:40:56.592000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:40:56.992000+08:00","text":"不要在這邊隨便講。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-03T13:40:56.992000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T13:41:02.345000+08:00","text":"兩個禮拜可以嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-06-03T13:41:02.345000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:41:03.786000+08:00","text":"我們會提供資料給委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T13:41:03.786000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:41:11.273000+08:00","text":"沒有，就剛剛講的，主席，就是剛剛講的，因為次長剛剛說他們針對速率有很積極地跟各縣市政府去檢討、討論，請你給我各縣市檢討的狀況，哪幾處有調整或哪幾處檢討之後沒有調整。","quality":0.703},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-06-03T13:41:11.273000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:41:12.634000+08:00","text":"我剛才提到的是說，我們會透過道安會報的體系，跟縣市政府再討論。","quality":0.679},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T13:41:18.839000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:41:21.580000+08:00","text":"沒關係，不管什麼體系，你就給我這個資料就好了啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T13:41:22.301000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:41:24.282000+08:00","text":"你就給我這個資料就好，不管什麼體系……","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"陳次長彥伯","start":"2026-06-03T13:41:24.282000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T13:41:25.282000+08:00","text":"所以要地方政府檢討的一個數據資料……","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T13:41:24.402000+08:00","guessed":fal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alse,"end":"2026-06-03T13:43:28.996000+08:00","text":"以後如果我有發現地方的狀況是以開單為目，我再反映給你。","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-06-03T13:43:29.297000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:43:29.657000+08:00","text":"好，反映給我。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-03T13:43:30.759000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:43:32.341000+08:00","text":"這個狀況很多，也請你去了解一下，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張署長榮興","start":"2026-06-03T13:43:32.361000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:43:32.381000+08:00","text":"是，謝謝委員。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-03T13:43:32.521000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-03T13:43:33.542000+08:00","text":"葉委員所提的資料再麻煩交通部兩個禮拜內提供。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-03T13:43:34.042000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-03T13:43:37.184857+08:00","text":"下一位請盧縣一委員質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}