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你看到了那我就想要請問運動部這麼大百億的預算會不會不只一張白紙啊會不會還有其他的地方也存在這種沒有規範的審查方式"},{"start":501.297,"end":505.747,"text":"會不會還有很多都只是內政部的一紙公文"},{"start":507.113,"end":532.082,"text":"就可以來進行沒有對外公開這種機制可能會讓人民會非常的不信任以後如果補助案審查或其他的案件可能還有很多這樣的一個狀況不清楚審查委員的組成人數委員背景 議決的資訊可能會造成黑箱那這很可能會有一些問題你全面清查完了沒"},{"start":534.039,"end":558.711,"text":"現在到六月應該是全部的部分應該都清查完然後也制定出相關的標準辦法然後後續會在這個制定的這個經費審查標準之後會來落實如果還有不夠精進的部分我們絕對會來增加把關的人士外部人力那我們有很多委員啊常常講啊哇我們要檢討過去什麼什麼不義的"},{"start":560.031,"end":588.77,"text":"那我們這種假設啦 我不想這樣講啦我們不想讓民眾疑惑說不易預算我沒這個意思但這種白紙的方式 出去的案子我們現在要怎麼檢討啊要不要檢討啊呃 跟委員您報告我想這就是我們經過我上任以來然後發現這個問題之後做出來的檢討就是希望這我們給你肯定啦你砍了三億嘛 對不對對嘛那沒有被你砍掉的以前千千萬萬個三億"},{"start":590.831,"end":609.412,"text":"怎麼檢討啊?需不需要檢討啊?把白紙填黑了就沒事了我們現在有了,沒事了,以前就算了這是我們民主要進步的國家的做法嗎?大家不是一直要回去看嗎?"},{"start":611.692,"end":637.72,"text":"來 請說根委員您報告 不好意思這個過去在和解的部分我們當然還是會把關那現在是變成連預算審查跟和解我們兩個雙同時把關頭跟尾我們都把關那當然過去會有您所說到的這個部分那也正因為是有這個部分所以我們才希望制定您表上面提的右邊這個那如果還有不夠完善的部分我們確實還可以更精進"},{"start":639.305,"end":665.852,"text":"經濟是一件事 我剛剛一直講的是過去啦有要檢討的地方還是要回去看不然的話什麼樣的一些狀況過去發生了我們學習到了我們未來才能夠做得更好最後的最後啦這個足協的狀況我想很多人都在講那這個欠費欠薪那我們又查到又有這種什麼溫度過高這個高溫下出賽的一個狀況"},{"start":667.486,"end":688.172,"text":"我們查了一下發現球類的補助其實足卸就是最多啦最多又欠薪這個其實會讓大家覺得非常的意外同時他又說要往職業化前進他自己沒有辦法專業的來做好這些事情怎麼又辦法監督別人怎麼又辦法帶領其他人呢"},{"start":689.252,"end":715.852,"text":"這個我想我們就給您一點時間好不好我想大家都關注主席也站起來了我也尊重大家就希望運動部可不可以一個月內針對足協領了最多的球類的預算結果確現新那還有很多執行上的一些值得探討的地方可不可以一個月內針對本席提到的這個問題未來如何加強對足協的監督提供一個完整的書面答覆可以嗎"},{"start":716.372,"end":743.155,"text":"國務委員您報告可以那還有包含剛剛我們提到的宣傳的部分還有我們剛剛提到的這個過去可能有千千萬萬的善意我們都希望是零零只是剛好發現了一個意外希望過去都沒有但如果過去有我想你們也要針對我們國人的民脂民膏要做出負責的做法好不好謝謝委員謝謝好謝謝委員部長請坐"},{"start":745.834,"end":746.798,"text":"下一位林一錦委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-04T11:02:57.972000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:03:01.219000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，有請運動部李洋部長。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-04T11:03:01.219000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:03:01.479000+08:00","text":"有請部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T11:03:01.579000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:03:07.010000+08:00","text":"委員早安。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-04T11:03:08.072000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:03:08.313000+08:00","text":"部長早。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-04T11:03:09.424000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:03:25.360000+08:00","text":"部長，上週因為舉辦共識營，你率運動部一級主管集體缺席教文委員會的質詢，本席覺得很傷心，也很疑惑，共識營為什麼是舉辦在平日，而且還在委員會開會期間？","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-04T11:03:25.360000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:03:33.208000+08:00","text":"還是說部長因為沒有辦法良好的溝通，這個共識營如果再不辦，運動部是不是就要分崩離析了？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-04T11:03:33.949000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:03:50.387000+08:00","text":"我想部長這樣的做法，其實大家都有點憂心，覺得部長是不是消極逃避監督，我為什麼這一週還在講，是因為上個禮拜不分黨派、所有委員都有提出批評，這一點希望部長未來可以改進。","quality":0.987},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T11:03:51.708000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:03:58.050000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員對於這件事的指導，參加共識營，我們有跟伍召委請假，確實時間是……","quality":0.71},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-04T11:03:58.310000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:04:05.413000+08:00","text":"你有很多選擇啦，我覺得這個我們都……現在知道了，但我想未來有改進的空間，好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T11:04:05.433000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:04:05.933000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-04T11:04:06.113000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:04:13.636000+08:00","text":"承接我們剛剛所講的，共識營、共識營，就是要有共識嘛，現在成功凝聚共識了嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-04T11:04:13.636000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:04:14.216000+08:00","text":"成功凝聚了嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T11:04:15.189000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:04:24.775000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們當然希望藉由這個共識營可以讓新的團隊更加具有共識。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-04T11:04:24.775000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:04:43.946000+08:00","text":"好，共識很重要啦，運動有很多是團體運動，整個運動部應該要一起來為臺灣的運動發展做努力，結果我們看到部長很帥的短影片，我都看了，真的拍得很棒……","quality":0.984},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T11:04:43.946000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T11:04:45.474000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-04T11:04:45.474000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:05:01.800000+08:00","text":"結果是放在運動部的粉絲專頁，這個專頁有3萬粉絲，奇怪囉，花一樣的錢，拍那麼精彩的短影片，為什麼有25萬粉絲的全民運動署粉專不上線？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-04T11:05:03.521000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:05:05.962000+08:00","text":"全民運動署，為什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-04T11:05:06.162000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:05:09.163000+08:00","text":"你們跟部長沒有共識嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-04T11:05:09.163000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:05:09.583000+08:00","text":"為什麼這樣子？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-04T11:05:10.343000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:05:14.125000+08:00","text":"民脂民膏花的錢，多一點瀏覽率不可以嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-04T11:05:15.561000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:05:16.843000+08:00","text":"Facebook有限制嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-04T11:05:16.843000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:05:18.605000+08:00","text":"有沒有限制你不可以上傳這個？","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"房署長瑞文","start":"2026-06-04T11:05:18.605000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:05:27.476000+08:00","text":"沒有限制，這個我們會來檢討，部長之後有放在臉書網頁上的，我們這邊都會來做處理。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-04T11:05:27.977000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:05:31.281000+08:00","text":"全國民眾看到這個真的好傷心，你知道嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-04T11:05:33.083000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:05:43.991000+08:00","text":"我們部長在3萬粉絲的粉專裡面，一支短影片的觀看數就有1.6萬，如果把它放到25萬粉絲的粉專裡面，不是變10倍嗎？","quality":0.822},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-04T11:05:43.991000+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","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T11:07:57.649000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T11:07:59.450000+08:00","text":"確實不清楚。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-04T11:07:59.450000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:08:06.395000+08:00","text":"你不知道我現在可以告訴你，粉專是可以合併的，全運署要不要回復一下，粉專可不可以合併，知道嗎？","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"房署長瑞文","start":"2026-06-04T11:08:08.175000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:08:14.340000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我們的確是不曉得，因為是不同的委託標案在分別處理。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-04T11:08:14.980000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:08:31.593000+08:00","text":"很好，您很誠實的回答，我想全國民眾都看到了，我們民脂民膏花出去的粉絲專頁、社群經營、網路宣傳的預算，我們的政府單位竟然不知道粉絲專頁同樣議題是可以合併的，結果會造成什麼？","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-04T11:08:32.154000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:08:44.592000+08:00","text":"同樣一個運動部，我要經營兩個、三個、四個粉絲專頁，每一個粉絲專頁都要有小編、都要有維護費，這是我們花民脂民膏的方法嗎？是嗎？","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-04T11:08:44.592000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:08:45.714000+08:00","text":"這是最好的方法嗎？部長？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T11:08:46.685000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:08:59.675000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，首先我們還是希望藉由運動部跟全民運動署……我們希望全民運動署主要聚焦的是在全民運動這個環節，至於運動部則是聚焦在比較更……","quality":0.902},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-04T11:09:00.855000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:09:01.176000+08:00","text":"不是嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-04T11:09:02.777000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:09:10.207000+08:00","text":"全運署的預算要多，事情要做得好，運動部部長的訊息要不要傳得出去？要嘛！","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-04T11:09:11.208000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:09:12.929000+08:00","text":"現在我們看到的就是反的嘛，好不好？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-04T11:09:13.109000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:09:24.116000+08:00","text":"所以我覺得這個解釋也不用再多說啦，希望一個月內研議一下宣傳的形式，如何用有效的經營方式來傳遞資訊，統合一下，好嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-04T11:09:25.617000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:09:29.840000+08:00","text":"因為有一些部會有這種疊床架屋的狀況，我們不希望發生在運動部啦，好不好？","quality":0.906},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T11:09:29.840000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T11:09:31.281000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-04T11:09:31.281000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:10:34.283000+08:00","text":"還有幾個議題可能還是要請教一下，我們看到，部長非常誠懇，有提到「過去我們可能常常有個3、5億的一次性預算案，結果可能只有3名委員，而且全都是運動相關人士」，這是你的原話，你還說「我就想說，這樣該如何去把關這件事」，本席查了運動部的相關子法，確實發現運動部依據國民體育法第九條規定的辦法當中，針對經費補助審查委員組成等事項完全沒有任何規定，審查事項的規定長這個樣子，全國民眾都看到了，雙面的白紙，直到今年5月11號，就是您在新聞上提了一下之後，5月11號就頒布了經費審查授權原則，想請問一下部長，今年5月初制定這個原則以前，內部是不是確實沒有任何可依循的行政規則或是標準？","quality":0.924},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-04T11:10:36.031000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:10:36.211000+08:00","text":"是不是？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T11:10:37.372000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:10:37.952000+08:00","text":"就我了解，是。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-04T11:10:41.215000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:10:43.056000+08:00","text":"為什麼我們要在這裡強調這件事？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-04T11:10:43.896000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:10:55.564000+08:00","text":"是因為幾億的案子你看到了，那我就想要請問，運動部這麼大，百億的預算會不會不只這一張白紙？","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-04T11:10:56.965000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:11:03.730000+08:00","text":"會不會還有其他的地方也存在這種沒有規範的審查方式？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-04T11:11:05.297000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:11:16.255000+08:00","text":"會不會還有很多都只是內部的一紙公文就可以來進行，沒有對外公開？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-04T11:11:16.255000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:11:36.062000+08:00","text":"這種機制可能會讓人民非常的不信任，以後如果補助案審查或其他案件可能還有很多這樣的狀況，不清楚審查委員的組成人數、委員背景、議決的資訊，可能會造成黑箱，這很可能會有些問題，你全面清查完了沒？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T11:11:38.039000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:11:54.587000+08:00","text":"現在到6月了，應該是全部都清查完了，然後也制定出相關的標準、辦法，後續在制定經費審查標準之後會來落實，如果還有不夠精進的部分，我們絕對會來增加把關的外部人力。","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-04T11:11:55.567000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:12:14.598000+08:00","text":"我們有很多委員常常說要檢討過去什麼、什麼不義的，像這種……我不想這樣講啦，我們不想讓民眾疑惑有什麼不義預算，我沒這個意思，但是這種以白紙方式出去的案子，現在要怎麼檢討？","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-04T11:12:16.860000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:12:17.140000+08:00","text":"要不要檢討？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T11:12:18.741000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:12:25.085000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我想這就是我上任以來發現這個問題之後做出來的檢討，就是希望……","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-04T11:12:25.265000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:12:28.908000+08:00","text":"這個我們給你肯定，你砍了3億嘛，對不對？對吧？對。","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-04T11:12:30.42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