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來說明一下好 謝謝 謝謝委員我想我們所有政府各級單位事實上在應變的當下我想關鍵的其實是第一線同仁的應變那所以說事實上都是由相關單位的發言機制來發言而不是由首長來親自發言這個我想存在於各單位及各級政府都是如此那事後整體的說明當然可以是由首長或者是經理部門或者是董事長來說明事實上在最後的清晨五點的說明也是由"},{"start":485.967,"end":509.287,"text":"董事長這是一般機制的一個運行那我認為像這樣5月25號重大的延誤董事長或總經理必須在適當的時機因為他延誤的是整天的一個車程造成國人的困擾董事長跟總經理應該在適當的時機就必須要出來做說明這個以後要檢討改進是委員我們願意來檢討因為這個轉車器控制機箱你們認為這個電源模組"},{"start":513.49,"end":532.26,"text":"因為電流不穩現在是最終的原因嗎查清楚了嗎跟委員報告我想這個電源模組最終的原因目前現在正在查好我請教董事長第三方的單位已經組成我請教董事長你們在這個電源模組在更新之前新的電源模組你們有經過測試嗎"},{"start":534.838,"end":542.843,"text":"跟委員報告一下我們要到現場去的時候在實驗室都會先測試過沒問題才會帶到現場去好 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nd":"2026-06-04T09:29:17.944000+08:00","text":"還是有這樣的問題？對。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2026-06-04T09:29:18.264000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T09:29:19.205000+08:00","text":"除了你們說電源模組有先經過測試，你們去換的時候有沒有帶備品？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2026-06-04T09:29:19.265000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T09:29:21.727000+08:00","text":"如果新的你們認為測試沒有問題，但是換上去之後有問題，你們有帶備品再做一次更換嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳總經理惠裕","start":"2026-06-04T09:29:41.942000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T09:30:07.553000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們這次是換4個電源模組，其實下面相關的還有很多設備，一般來講，我們到現場做維修的時候一定會帶必要的備品，但是不可能全部的備品都通通帶去，因為工作地點離車站很近，所以萬一有問題的時候就會馬上到車站去取備品，我們在車站都有準備備品，以這一次來講，我們差不多花了10分鐘的時間去取備品。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2026-06-04T09:30:09.274000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T09:30:17.319000+08:00","text":"我要請教一下，故障的這些組件現在是先拆下來，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳總經理惠裕","start":"2026-06-04T09:30:17.319000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T09:30:18.319000+08:00","text":"是，先證據保全。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2026-06-04T09:30:17.319000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T09:30:32.369000+08:00","text":"預計要進行相關的分析，這個分析是你們自己內部的檢測分析，還是會送回原廠做分析，還是由第三方進行公正的分析？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳總經理惠裕","start":"2026-06-04T09:30:33.009000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T09:30:39.718000+08:00","text":"我們交給第三方認證，但是原廠要參與，目前我們都已經談好，而且開始在執行了。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2026-06-04T09:30:40.018000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T09:30:40.319000+08:00","text":"檢測報告預計什麼時候會出來？","quality":1},{"speaker":"史董事長哲","start":"2026-06-04T09:30:45.357000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T09:30:57.280000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，關於檢測報告的提出時間，當然是要提出，不可能無限長，這個檢測報告我們也責成第三方跟原廠要議定一個時間來報告給我們，目前還沒有報告出來，不過會要求要有一個時間限制。","quality":0.887},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2026-06-04T09:30:59.440000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T09:31:09.363000+08:00","text":"針對高鐵機組運作的轉轍器、道岔系統，你們目前的檢測及相關檢查有沒有問題？","quality":0.788},{"speaker":"史董事長哲","start":"2026-06-04T09:31:10.924000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T09:31:16.831000+08:00","text":"這一次出問題的更新工作目前已經暫停，我們希望等初步問題釐清以後再持續進行。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2026-06-04T09:31:16.992000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T09:31:18.634000+08:00","text":"你們現在已經更換了371組嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"史董事長哲","start":"2026-06-04T09:31:18.634000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T09:31:20.877000+08:00","text":"是，已經更換了83%。","quality":0.143},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2026-06-04T09:31:20.877000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T09:31:24.121000+08:00","text":"占全線458組的八成左右。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"史董事長哲","start":"2026-06-04T09:31:24.121000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T09:31:25.463000+08:00","text":"是，沒有錯。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2026-06-04T09:31:25.463000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T09:31:32.773000+08:00","text":"在故障還沒有查清楚之前，現在必須要全部停止更換的相關作業，是不是？是。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2026-06-04T09:31:35.016000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T09:32:00.653000+08:00","text":"最主要的是，針對高鐵的運行，我一再提醒部長跟董事長，平日平均搭車人次會超過24萬，高峰的假日會超過30萬，這樣的延誤對於國人、對於高鐵長久建立的安全及有效率準點的形象都大受衝擊。","quality":0.936},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2026-06-04T09:32:00.653000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T09:32:01.934000+08:00","text":"部長，最後讓你做一個簡單的說明。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-06-04T09:32:03.712000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T09:32:16.723000+08:00","text":"向委員報告，這次事情的發生，當然對國人的影響相當、相當大，所以後續的處理包含剛剛史董事長所報告的，整體的檢測該怎麼樣找出原因，這個我們當然要檢討。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-06-04T09:32:16.843000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T09:32:33.844000+08:00","text":"另外，對於整體的運輸韌性，我們也在做檢討，高鐵有狀況的時候，臺鐵能不能跟得上、能夠來協助，讓所有國人不管從哪裡要到哪裡，當一個系統失靈或是阻塞的時候，另外一個系統可以跟上，這個部分我們會深刻檢討，並且做好規劃。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2026-06-04T09:32:35.246000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T09:33:09.182000+08:00","text":"最後，在整個高鐵延誤的過程裡面，當然有透過一些途徑、方式來告知相關的旅客，但是在整個過程裡面，民眾對於資訊的獲取途徑還是不足，在車上或是在車站也不知道相關的通車資訊或處置資訊，這些還是非常不足的，董事長以後都要做全面的檢討。","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"史董事長哲","start":"2026-06-04T09:33:09.182000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T09:33:09.462000+08:00","text":"是，這個部分我們會作為檢討的重點，謝謝。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"李委員昆澤","start":"2026-06-04T09:33:09.462000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T09:33:09.602000+08:00","text":"好，以上。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-06-04T09:33:10.102000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T09:33:11.244857+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-04T09:33:11.544857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T09:33:14.687714+08:00","text":"謝謝李昆澤委員，謝謝各位。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-04T09:33:14.987714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T09:33:18.130571+08:00","text":"接下來請洪孟楷委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}