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董事長現在一個禮拜過去了有沒有查出任何的有可能的外部因素有沒有看到有任何人潛入破壞我們想繼續尊重第三方的查修的過程不過我們還是秉持一個立場就是我們並不預設任何的成因"},{"start":460.228,"end":483.305,"text":"那這樣子本席一個建議來啦部長你當天也困在你當天困在哪邊我當天在車上我的說法其實很平衡第一有可能是設備的問題第二有可能是人為的問題那人為的問題又分幾種有可能是維修人員的問題也有可能是操作人員的問題也有可能是"},{"start":484.386,"end":506.626,"text":"攻擊的問題都有可能我們不排除任何的成因我的說法是說不排除任何的成因不是說鎖定在攻擊這件事本席一個建議啦我來確認一下當天剛剛石董事長也已經提到了就是你是五點多就是這個緊急醫變中心成立之後你也同步獲得這個消息那什麼時間點確認是說當天確實因為"},{"start":510.009,"end":529.811,"text":"上班再急那確認是說當天沒有辦法全線恢復通車可能一個小時拆去三班的一個列車的方式好謝謝委員能夠讓我說明我想因為他的發生時點點4點27分跟我們5點50分的發第一班車市場非常的接近這個時間點的痛苦是在這裡因此我們從4點27分到"},{"start":533.054,"end":553.156,"text":"5點06分5點15分我們進行第一階段的搶修能夠請讓他的影響範圍從50多公里降到28公里董事長這我都理解是關鍵是能夠在65我現在問的是說什麼時間點確認是說今天當天因為開通在即你沒有辦法搶修完畢那所以只能採取一個小時三班"},{"start":553.797,"end":576.44,"text":"我們在將近七點的時候我們才能夠恢復雙線雙向那這個是確保它不會停止如果沒辦法恢復雙線雙向我坦白跟議員報告它就會變成跟2013年一樣的狀況就是它必須要全面停止因此在將近七點的時候恢復了雙線雙向的時候我們在七點半決定八點開始進行一小時三班"},{"start":576.94,"end":601.921,"text":"好那八點決定一小時三班是不是也就了解說當天一整天如果說開始一個小時三班之後當天一整天在運行當中沒有辦法再做更積極的一個搶修我們在七點半決策八點鐘實施在當時就確定了一小時三班是不是能夠有進一步搶修我們在十點跟十二點的時候其實都有在進一步搶修對但有沒有辦法搶因為當天"},{"start":603.103,"end":623.97,"text":"董事長當天是次長在現場次長跟我們交通委員會報告的一個狀況其實講的是說可能因為運行之後就沒有辦法因為他要持續運行你就沒有辦法再做維修也因此整天的行程應該都只能是當天三班也因此本行那時候才會在交通委員會的時候跟次長講"},{"start":625.11,"end":653.018,"text":"這個是給我們所有運輸的專業的一個了解就是說我們才會跟次長講是說那這樣子你要提早公佈比如說晚上當天晚上的旅客如果說他有訂車票了你可能也要先讓他知道就是說今天確實沒有辦法可能全線都是要一天一個小時三班也因此你必須要提早到車站你必須要改坐自由坐而不是你認為是說我現在已經有晚上的車票但是現在搶休也可能搶休好或搶休不好"},{"start":654.238,"end":670.593,"text":"我覺得這個適時的資訊的一個傳遞跟表達相當重要是 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