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也沒有啊 沒有通知我認為是不是應該我們主動要提醒一個月之內你應該要來退票好 了解我們會來清醒我覺得這個應該最起碼我們善後的部分應該可以做得更好一點吧"},{"start":296.656,"end":309.334,"text":"像我自己本身到現在也還沒有退搞不好我一個月之後也忘記了要去退票所以我想應該是應該主動我們應該主動我們應該朝這個方向努力是反正都有因為我們訂票的時候像我們有用APP就有電話嗎發個簡訊總應該可以吧應該更機制一點這個我們繼續來檢討好"},{"start":313.7,"end":320.068,"text":"好那我想根據我們這個台鐵的這個統計事故2022年我們總共行車異常發生了616件那到2024年增加到961件這兩年增加了高達56%"},{"start":330.501,"end":348.7,"text":"那我想部長跟總計當然我知道這個不管是高鐵也好台鐵也好現在都是我們很重要的一個大眾運輸的一個管道那乘客量也非常非常的高那高鐵的部分從113年的異常事故25件到114年也增加了這個43件增加了72%"},{"start":349.881,"end":378.778,"text":"我想我們未來還是要針對這樣的一個設備的問題或者是事故的原因的調查甚至人為的因素應該要全面來做一個檢討所以我想這邊我有三點的一個要求第一個針對行車異常的事故應該我們要盡快提出分析報告第二個針對高風險的一個設備應該全面來盤點甚至做改善第三個針對台鐵跟高鐵設備老舊的部分應該提出一個改善的時程表部長跟董事長總經理能不能做到"},{"start":379.958,"end":398.988,"text":"跟委員特別說明我想高鐵的異常事故您所提的就是去年比前年多20件其實全部都是非可歸則於公司的天災造成我沒有做過分析就是說這20件的增加是因為去年我們的地震颱風跟相關的天災"},{"start":399.708,"end":419.702,"text":"特別頻繁所至平均而言可歸則於公司的事件其實並沒有在平均值以外特輔特別的增加都還是在平均值我們平均值大概一年可歸則於公司的大概是20件左右因為我們這個部分會特別來努力是 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定期在做未來有可能擴大到其他的這個包含計程車或是"},{"start":553.239,"end":572.695,"text":"貨運的一個司機嗎我們會看評估現在的狀況如果當然有延伸到其他的運具上面我們該做的都會做那目前我們正在研議跟討論當中部長你看我們的這個數據114年11月到今年的4月份光是這個獨家的取締從1474件成長到8355件成長了4.6倍這個數據非常非常的恐怖"},{"start":582.082,"end":610.501,"text":"那所以我想未來我也要求交通部在一個月之內針對加嚴獨駕的這個吊扣駕照的處置第二個研議這個職業駕駛定期毒品篩檢的一個機制第三個應該要儘快完備毒品拖曳快篩的準確度跟相關的賠償的一個處理我想因為包含現在不是只有交通部的問題包含我們的警察同仁他們在執法上面他們壓力也很大萬一這個採檢有陰性陽性的一個誤差的時候"},{"start":612.202,"end":623.046,"text":"部長這部分能不能再具體說明一下未來我們的做法向委員報告在採檢的部分今年會暴增也有可能是因為我們去年11月19號之後我們開始做這個唾液的檢測在11月19之前去年11月19之前沒有唾液檢測"},{"start":630.209,"end":649.748,"text":"那今年因為有唾液檢測所以很快速的就可以判讀出說他是不是毒價所以今年當然抓到的數字會非常多不過這也表示真正的毒價的問題也是相當相當的嚴重所以我們在照委員剛剛的指示我們在一個月之內針對委員剛剛所建議的各個方向其實我們都會來做研議"},{"start":650.689,"end":667.134,"text":"那研議出來之後第一會向社會來報告第二也會向委員特別來報告說我們研議之後的這個罰則的提高那剛剛有其他委員在問的時候其實我有提到獨駕的罰則當然提高相當多第二針對車輛沒入的部分不管"},{"start":668.314,"end":693.149,"text":"車輛是不是獨駕本身的這個車輛是不是車主我們只要有獨駕我們全部都會沒入然後再來坐在車上的知道你明知他在獨駕你還讓他繼續獨駕的乘坐的人乘客也有共同責任這個部分也會加進來我想這個我們要共同來努力啦今天避免這個減少這個事故的發生也避免無辜的人受到傷害謝謝好 謝謝委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-06-04T10:10:50.182000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:10:54.144000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，有請陳部長、高鐵史董事長、臺鐵馮總經理。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-04T10:10:55.765000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:10:57.266000+08:00","text":"請陳部長、董事長、總經理。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-06-04T10:11:01.247000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:11:01.468000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-06-04T10:11:02.628000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:11:03.969000+08:00","text":"部長、董事長、總經理早。","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-06-04T10:11:05.730000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:11:17.215000+08:00","text":"5月20日那一天我也在車上，跟部長及我們好幾位委員同仁都一起在車上，我早上6點55分從高雄站乘坐，到這邊應該是10點12分了。","quality":0.878},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-06-04T10:11:21.037000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:11:53.314000+08:00","text":"我們今天是針對高鐵誤點有一個專案報告，前面幾位委員都有提到，我想這個事故應該被檢討、應該找出原因，但是交通部身為主管機關，未來對於不管是高鐵也好，臺鐵也好，一連串出現設備故障甚至誤點的狀況，是不是會讓外界質疑臺灣的軌道運輸有出現老化、維護不足甚至是風險管理失能的問題？","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-06-04T10:11:53.314000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:11:56.296000+08:00","text":"部長，針對這部分您本身現在有什麼看法？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-06-04T10:11:57.076000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:12:07.124000+08:00","text":"向委員報告，我們對於臺鐵跟高鐵的要求都一樣，希望它第一是要安全；第二是要精準；第三是系統的可靠度，也就是韌性要夠高。","quality":0.904},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-06-04T10:12:08.905000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:12:22.355000+08:00","text":"鐵道局在所有的事件發生之後都會介入調查跟了解，並且最重要的是討論出未來要怎麼樣改善所有的機制，希望可以做到更好、更安全、更有韌性。","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-06-04T10:12:23.275000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:12:27.958000+08:00","text":"我印象中，7月份我們還要去接新車回來嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-06-04T10:12:28.238000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:12:28.758000+08:00","text":"是，沒錯。","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-06-04T10:12:29.559000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:12:35.422000+08:00","text":"董事長，未來新車部分，針對這樣的事故，會不會有影響到新車銜接的問題？","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"史董事長哲","start":"2026-06-04T10:12:36.749000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:12:39.150000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，不會影響新車的銜接。","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-06-04T10:12:39.870000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:12:40.030000+08:00","text":"不會嘛！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-06-04T10:12:40.151000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:12:59.639000+08:00","text":"好，董事長，根據我們目前掌握到媒體的報導，這次苗栗號誌事故影響11萬人，預計損失的賠償金額高達3,500萬，甚至還有一些人因為高鐵誤點而趕不上飛機。","quality":0.887},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-06-04T10:13:00.659000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:13:05.081000+08:00","text":"實際上你們掌握到的受影響人次，包括金額到底是多少錢，有沒有一個具體的數字？","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"史董事長哲","start":"2026-06-04T10:13:06.001000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:13:13.203000+08:00","text":"我想誠如委員剛剛所講的，人次就是十一萬多人，金額是3,500萬。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"史董事長哲","start":"2026-06-04T10:13:13.703000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:13:23.627000+08:00","text":"依照旅運契約，該全額退費或者是該半額退費的，我們都會依這個方式進行。","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-06-04T10:13:23.927000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:13:24.307000+08:00","text":"就照規定走。是。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-06-04T10:13:26.087000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:13:27.508000+08:00","text":"有沒有衍生其他的部分？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-06-04T10:13:27.768000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:13:34.310000+08:00","text":"比如現在很多人或許還沒有提出額外的賠償，甚至還要告你們，有沒有這樣的狀況？","quality":1},{"speaker":"史董事長哲","start":"2026-06-04T10:13:35.759000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:13:56.003000+08:00","text":"目前我們是沒有接收到要告我們的，而當然是有接收到詢問衍生的賠償能不能進行，但我們還是必須遵守跟乘客的旅運契約，我們確實沒有辦法負擔因為延誤所衍生相關的所有費用。","quality":0.908},{"speaker":"史董事長哲","start":"2026-06-04T10:13:56.683000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:14:06.751000+08:00","text":"我想交通行業、機構都是一體適用，最後我們當然還是對大家很抱歉，最終是不要讓這樣的事情再發生。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-06-04T10:14:08.408000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:14:37.307000+08:00","text":"那天我自己在車上，列車長也好，包含很多乘客，大概每隔一段時間就會提醒有訊號異常，請大家稍等待，走走停停的狀況很嚴重，我也特別感受到，像我們是從高雄上來，沒有選擇性，但對於其他站要上的人是不是可以事先預告這樣的一個狀況？","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-06-04T10:14:37.307000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:14:49.231000+08:00","text":"他們不一定要搭高鐵，他們可以做其他的選擇，有公路運輸或者是鐵路運輸也好，我想這個應變上的處理確實我們做得比較不夠，也應該要檢討未來這樣的應變機制。","quality":0.985},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-06-04T10:14:49.691000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:14:52.232000+08:00","text":"部長，這個部分是不是可以再做進一步檢討？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-06-04T10:14:53.611000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:15:10.357000+08:00","text":"是，我們有請高鐵公司必須要做檢討，幾個部分，一個部分是針對延誤的時間有沒有辦法先讓旅客可以知道，如果知道的話，大家比較好安排時間，因為運具有很多重的選擇，可以讓大家去選擇其他的運具。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-06-04T10:15:10.978000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:15:26.045000+08:00","text":"另外，針對退票機制，我也拜託高鐵公司能夠來研議一個讓大家可以做線上退票的機制，不然我在現場是看到很多的人在排隊要做退票或者是要拿延誤的證明。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-06-04T10:15:26.825000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:15:38.112000+08:00","text":"但是像我自己到目前為止也沒有接到公司有任何一通訊息說你可以退票，也沒有通知我，我認為是不是應該要主動提醒，在一個月之內應該要來退票？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"史董事長哲","start":"2026-06-04T10:15:38.573000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:15:39.613000+08:00","text":"好，了解，我們會來進行。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-06-04T10:15:40.054000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:15:44.617000+08:00","text":"對啊，我覺得最起碼善後的部分，應該可以做得更好一點吧！","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-06-04T10:15:45.656000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:15:52.466000+08:00","text":"像我自己本身到現在也還沒有退，搞不好一個月之後我也忘記要去退票，所以你們應該主動……","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-06-04T10:15:52.466000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:15:53.647000+08:00","text":"我們應該朝這個方向努力。","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-06-04T10:15:53.768000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:15:57.913000+08:00","text":"是，因為我們訂票的時候有用app就有留下電話，發個簡訊總應該可以吧，應該更積極一點。","quality":0.816},{"speaker":"史董事長哲","start":"2026-06-04T10:15:57.913000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:15:58.314000+08:00","text":"這個我們繼續來檢討。","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-06-04T10:15:58.314000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:16:28.871000+08:00","text":"好，根據我們臺鐵的事故統計，2022年行車異常事故總共發生616件，2024年增加到961件，這兩年增加了高達56%，當然我知道不管是高鐵也好、臺鐵也好，現在都是我們很重要的大眾運輸管道，乘客量也非常非常高。","quality":0.924},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-06-04T10:16:29.992000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:17:05.717000+08:00","text":"高鐵的部分從113年異常事故25件，到114年也增加了43件，增加了72%，我們未來還是要針對這樣的設備問題或者是事故原因的調查，甚至人為的因素，應該要全面來做一個檢討，所以這邊我有三點的要求：第一，針對行車異常事故應該要儘快提出分析報告；第二、針對高風險的設備應該全面來盤點，甚至做改善；第三、針對臺鐵跟高鐵設備老舊的部分應該提出一個改善時程表。","quality":0.993},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-06-04T10:17:06.277000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:17:07.758000+08:00","text":"部長和董事長、總經理，能不能做到？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"史董事長哲","start":"2026-06-04T10:17:08.958000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:17:20.644000+08:00","text":"跟委員特別說明，我想高鐵的異常事故，您所提的就是去年比前年多20件，其實全部都是非可歸責於公司的天災造成。","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-06-04T10:17:20.964000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:17:22.625000+08:00","text":"你們有做過分析嘛？","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"史董事長哲","start":"2026-06-04T10:17:23.605000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:17:46.140000+08:00","text":"對，這20件的增加是因為去年我們的地震、颱風跟相關的天災特別頻繁所致，平均而言，可歸責於公司的事件其實並沒有在平均值以外特別的增加，都還是在平均值，我們平均值一年可歸責於公司的大概是20件左右，這個部分我們會特別來努力。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-06-04T10:17:46.360000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:17:48.682000+08:00","text":"是，有關臺鐵公司，我是不是請馮總也回答一下？好。","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"馮總經理輝昇","start":"2026-06-04T10:17:50.969000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:17:55.712000+08:00","text":"報告委員，委員所提的三項措施，我們都可以做到，也會確實落實。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"馮總經理輝昇","start":"2026-06-04T10:17:55.992000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:18:29.119000+08:00","text":"簡要說明一下，事件的調查跟成因分析，我們現在每天早上都會進行高階技術會報，由我們總經理、副總經理來做檢討，每週也會開經營管理會議來檢討，至於高風險設備，感謝政府的支持，我們現在已經全面在盤點更新，所以我們目前在臺鐵相關的包括我們的轉轍器，包括號誌系統、電力設備、車輛都在持續的更新、改善，我們預計118年底全面都會更新完成，以上。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-06-04T10:18:29.520000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:19:14.225000+08:00","text":"另外，我要再提出一個問題，因為汛期已經來了，馬上就面臨颱風、豪雨，我記得上次委員會，臺鐵有特別提出要用105萬購置無人機來巡檢軌道，我認為這是一個非常好的措施，而且我認為臺鐵還過於保守，錢太少了，因為我們現在基層的同仁人力也不足，我們的軌道這麼長，應該要透過無人機這樣的設備，可以強化巡檢的密度，但是很遺憾到最後有委員提出全案刪除，後來又提全案保留到黨團協商，部長，我們應該要支持這樣一個計畫，應該要給臺鐵更多的支援。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-06-04T10:19:15.126000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:19:18.569000+08:00","text":"是，我們當然會支持，並且也希望未來的步伐能夠越跨越大。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-06-04T10:19:20.138000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:19:39.087000+08:00","text":"部長，最後針對毒駕的問題，剛剛有很多委員在提，有關未來我還要提出另外一個看法，針對職業駕駛的部分，因為畢竟他們每天上路的數量跟所謂的交通危害性，不輸於一般的駕駛。是。","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-06-04T10:19:39.207000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:19:52.374000+08:00","text":"我們現在交通部是不是有針對陸運特定人員的尿液採檢，或者是市區汽車客運業者跟公路駕駛的部分進行25%的抽檢？","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-06-04T10:19:52.374000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:19:53.955000+08:00","text":"我們有做這樣一個動作嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-06-04T10:19:53.955000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:19:58.037000+08:00","text":"是，向委員報告，這個部分的尿液抽檢我們都有定時在做、定期在做。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-06-04T10:19:58.137000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:20:04.421000+08:00","text":"未來有可能擴大到其他的包含計程車或是貨運的司機嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-06-04T10:20:04.421000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T10:20:05.421000+08:00","text":"有沒有可能擴大？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-06-04T10:20:04.421000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:20:14.089000+08:00","text":"我們會評估並看看現在的狀況，如果有延伸到其他的運具上面，我們該做的都會做，目前我們正在研議跟討論當中。","quality":0.936},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-06-04T10:20:14.749000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:20:21.675000+08:00","text":"部長，你看這個數據，114年11月到今年4月份，光是毒駕的取締，從1,474件成長到8,355件，成長了4.6倍，這個數據非常非常恐怖。是。","quality":0.891},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-06-04T10:20:31.222000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:20:48.794000+08:00","text":"所以未來我也要求交通部在一個月之內，首先，要加嚴毒駕吊扣駕照的處置；第二、研議職業駕駛定期毒品篩檢的機制；第三、應該要儘快完備毒品唾液快篩的準確度跟相關的賠償處理。","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-06-04T10:20:49.454000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:20:55.618000+08:00","text":"因為現在不是只有交通部的問題，包含我們的警察同仁，他們在執法上面的壓力也很大。","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-06-04T10:20:55.618000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T10:20:56.618000+08:00","text":"是，沒錯。","quality":0},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-06-04T10:20:56.519000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:20:59.481000+08:00","text":"萬一這個採檢有陰性、陽性的誤差時，他們也要擔責任。","quality":0.682},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-06-04T10:21:01.202000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:21:03.563000+08:00","text":"部長，這部分能不能再具體說明一下未來我們的作法？","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-06-04T10:21:04.543000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:21:31.041000+08:00","text":"好，向委員報告，在採檢的部分今年會暴增也有可能是因為我們去年11月19號之後開始做唾液的檢測，在去年11月19日之前沒有唾液檢測，今年因為有唾液檢測，所以很快速地就可以判讀出他是不是毒駕，所以今年當然抓到的數字會非常多，不過這也表示真正的毒駕問題也是相當、相當嚴重。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-06-04T10:21:31.721000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:21:47.011000+08:00","text":"所以我們會照委員剛剛的指示，在一個月之內，針對委員剛剛所建議的各個方向，其實我們都會來做研議，研議出來之後，第一、會向社會來報告；第二、也會向委員特別來報告我們研議之後的罰則提高。","quality":0.988},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-06-04T10:21:47.911000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:22:14.845000+08:00","text":"剛剛有其他委員在問的時候，其實我也有提到，毒駕的罰則當然提高相當多；第二，針對車輛沒入的部分，不管車輛是不是毒駕本身的車輛、是不是車主，只要有毒駕，我們全部都會沒入；再來，坐在車上的，你明知他在毒駕，你還讓他繼續毒駕，即乘坐的人、乘客也有共同責任，這個部分也會加進來。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"徐委員富癸","start":"2026-06-04T10:22:15.245000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:22:20.708000+08:00","text":"部長，我們要共同來努力，儘量避免及減少事故的發生，也避免無辜的人受到傷害。","quality":0.848},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-06-04T10:22:21.668000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T10:22:22.149000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-04T10:22:22.649000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T10:22:25.220429+08:00","text":"好，謝謝委員、謝謝部長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-04T10:22:25.520429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T10:22:29.234714+08:00","text":"我們接下來請許智傑委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}