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部長 獨駕的問題那交通部這次對外說明說要加重處罰然後還有那請鐵道局還有石東市長也先請回座那也包括吊銷要照照然後限制重新考照那還有針對這些獨駕的駕駛他們也要完成毒品危害的講習還有戒營治療那這方向本席也是支持的那"},{"start":408.94,"end":426.687,"text":"其實獨駕跟酒駕他不同嘛那酒駕他有比較成熟的裁罰跟追蹤制度那獨駕他牽涉毒品的種類那還有他的進入檢驗還有戒指再放風險管理上面會比較複雜那想請教部長那針對獨駕者他被吊銷之後那交通部要如何來防止他再次上路"},{"start":427.958,"end":453.476,"text":"報告委員 當然一方面我們的行政法則上面必須要加重這是一方面 二方面是對於大家在關心的車輛沒入的部分我們確實也在研議而且真的要朝這個方向來做我們希望說未來只要你敢獨駕不管車子的車主是不是獨駕本身這位獨駕者我們還是傾向把車輛直接做沒入的動作"},{"start":454.196,"end":476.426,"text":"交通部現在有在演繹也有在討論說就是針對這些獨駕者他們被吊銷之後他們幾年之後還可以再考照那目前交通部的態度是我們的態度目前第一我們當然是要延長他這個考照的時間第二即便是讓他考到照之後我們也只會先發短期的駕照短期的駕照三年期的短期駕照要觀察六年"},{"start":477.066,"end":496.844,"text":"六年之後確定沒有再吸毒者我們才會讓他有駕照而且確定沒有吸毒還必須要有他的這個介質的證明要有醫生方面的證明而且或者是必須要上過樂界方面的課程如果他被吊銷駕照之後如果他又被查獲那交通部你們有沒有就是準備要建立一個系統還有一個追蹤追蹤的系統還有清單"},{"start":497.765,"end":515.538,"text":"追蹤的系統我們都會有建立那另外針對說如果他已經駕照已經被沒入了或者是說被扣掉銷了他還去駕車的話我們這方面的罰則本來是一萬二一般都是一萬二無照駕駛但只要是獨駕的我們都是用三萬六而且可以累加"},{"start":516.423,"end":530.986,"text":"其實先民眾最擔心的就是車輛目錄之後其實他們還可以再駕駛親友的車或是他們可以駕駛竹林車那也希望交通部這邊可以再做分級管理那交通部目前還在研議就是三年之後還要再觀察六年"},{"start":532.188,"end":557.593,"text":"對對沒錯那這邊也就是接下來會和衛福部在做一個聯防的機制嗎我們這件事必須要跟衛福部合作也必須跟法務部還有就是警政單位就是內政部我們各個單位大家會合作把這個名單釐清然後再來它的介制的資料也必須要大家串接起來是像高風險的管理然後還有衛福部那邊的資料那也請那個部長這邊再多加留意是好沒問題謝謝委員好謝謝邱榮浩委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-06-04T11:12:49.036000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:12:49.217000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-06-04T11:12:49.758000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:12:54.612000+08:00","text":"主席，請高鐵公司史哲董事長還有鐵道局楊局長。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-04T11:12:54.612000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:12:55.475000+08:00","text":"請史董事長跟楊局長。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"楊局長正君","start":"2026-06-04T11:12:55.475000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T11:13:05.447000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-06-04T11:13:05.447000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:13:05.447000+08:00","text":"局長好。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-06-04T11:13:05.447000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:13:19.259000+08:00","text":"董事長，我有看到你們這次所提供的報告，報告中有提到高鐵通車即將滿20年，日常維修還有系統更新是在每日營運結束後進行的，我想先請教董事長，平均進行的時間是多久？","quality":0.986},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-06-04T11:13:22.659000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:13:27.382000+08:00","text":"你們這次的系統更新還有維修是在每天營運結束之後進行的？是。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-06-04T11:13:27.662000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:13:30.644000+08:00","text":"那在多久時間內你們必須要完成這些工作項目？","quality":1},{"speaker":"史董事長哲","start":"2026-06-04T11:13:31.304000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:13:41.390000+08:00","text":"這是一個2024年的更新計畫當中的某一個項目，就是電源的更新，這個更新計畫是3年，我們現在已經完成了83%，也就是大概300……","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-06-04T11:13:42.171000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:13:46.834000+08:00","text":"你提到的是進度，我想請問你們每天要在多久時間內必須要完成這些……","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"史董事長哲","start":"2026-06-04T11:13:46.974000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:13:46.994000+08:00","text":"4.5個小時。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-06-04T11:13:48.154000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:13:48.515000+08:00","text":"4.5個小時。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-06-04T11:13:48.855000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:13:53.159000+08:00","text":"這樣其實時間滿緊的，交通部跟鐵道局這邊有沒有要重新檢討？","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-06-04T11:13:53.319000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:14:10.694000+08:00","text":"你們在這段更新期間的作業，不要讓高鐵這一次的系統更新或是工作項目在這樣的壓力下進行維修，你們有沒有再重新檢討這個時間是否是足夠的，而且是不會影響到隔日的營運還有通車？","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"史董事長哲","start":"2026-06-04T11:14:12.206000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:14:41.763000+08:00","text":"跟委員坦承說明，我們12點5分收班之後，第二天是5點50分發第一班車，扣除巡軌以及相關整備的工作，所以原則上是4.5個小時要進行維修的廊帶，確實對於維修的工作是相當的擠壓，不過這恐怕也是現在必須要承認的現實，因為很多民眾還希望我們延後收班，甚至更提早發車，事實上，這樣維修的時間就更短了。","quality":0.936},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-06-04T11:14:42.303000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:14:46.105000+08:00","text":"在這次事件之後，你們有沒有再重新檢討這個流程跟作業？","quality":1},{"speaker":"史董事長哲","start":"2026-06-04T11:14:46.225000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:14:55.649000+08:00","text":"我們正在檢討，甚至我們會把當中比較關鍵性的維修工作挑出來，希望它的進場時間能夠更提早，也就是說……","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-06-04T11:14:55.949000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:15:00.952000+08:00","text":"這次關鍵系統的更新是誰來做審查的優先順序？","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-06-04T11:15:01.152000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:15:02.252000+08:00","text":"是交通部還是鐵道局？","quality":1},{"speaker":"史董事長哲","start":"2026-06-04T11:15:02.993000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:15:04.493000+08:00","text":"是由高鐵的維修部門。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-06-04T11:15:04.493000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:15:05.754000+08:00","text":"是由高鐵的維修部門。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-06-04T11:15:05.754000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:15:07.295000+08:00","text":"那你們這項計畫總共投入了多少經費？","quality":1},{"speaker":"史董事長哲","start":"2026-06-04T11:15:07.295000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T11:15:10.847000+08:00","text":"是不是可以請總經理來回答？","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-06-04T11:15:10.847000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:15:10.847000+08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凱","start":"2026-06-04T11:19:07.773000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T11:19:12.363000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-06-04T11:19:12.363000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T11:19:16.953000+08:00","text":"鐵道局還有史董事長請先回座。","quality":0},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-06-04T11:19:16.953000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:19:34.760000+08:00","text":"部長，關於毒駕的問題，交通部這次對外說明說要加重處罰，也包括吊銷駕照、限制重新考照，還有針對這些毒駕的駕駛，他們也要完成毒品危害的講習還有戒癮治療，這個方向本席也是支持的。","quality":0.91},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-06-04T11:19:35.940000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:19:47.504000+08:00","text":"其實毒駕跟酒駕不同，酒駕有比較成熟的裁罰跟追蹤制度，毒駕有牽涉毒品的種類，還有他的檢驗、戒治、再犯風險等等，在風險管理上面會比較複雜。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-06-04T11:19:48.005000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:19:53.667000+08:00","text":"本席想請教部長，針對毒駕者，他的駕照被吊銷之後，交通部要如何防止他再次上路？","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-06-04T11:19:54.958000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:20:20.456000+08:00","text":"報告委員，一方面我們的行政罰責上面必須要加重，這是一方面；二方面是對於大家在關心的車輛沒入的部分，我們確實也在研議，而且真的要朝這個方向來做，我們希望未來只要你敢毒駕，不管車子的車主是不是毒駕本身這位毒駕者，我們還是傾向把車輛直接做沒入的動作。","quality":0.956},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-06-04T11:20:21.196000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:20:29.240000+08:00","text":"交通部現在有在研議，也有在討論，就是針對這些毒駕者的駕照被吊銷之後，幾年之後還可以再考照，目前交通部的態度為何？","quality":0.843},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-06-04T11:20:30.140000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:20:56.658000+08:00","text":"目前我們的態度，第一，我們當然是要延長他考照的時間；第二，即便是讓他考到照之後，我們也只會先發短期的駕照，3年期的短期駕照，要觀察6年，6年之後確定沒有再吸毒者，我們才會讓他有駕照，而且確定沒有吸毒，還必須要有他的戒治證明，要有醫生方面的證明，或者是必須要上過勒戒方面的課程。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-06-04T11:20:56.978000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:21:03.844000+08:00","text":"如果他被吊銷駕照之後又被查獲，交通部有沒有準備要建立一個系統、一個追蹤的系統還有清單？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-06-04T11:21:04.765000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:21:06.967000+08:00","text":"追蹤的系統我們都會有建立。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-06-04T11:21:07.287000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:21:22.518000+08:00","text":"另外，針對如果他的駕照已經被沒入了，或者是被吊扣、吊銷了，他還去駕車的話，我們這方面的罰則本來是一萬二，一般都是一萬二、無照駕駛，但只要是毒駕的，我們都是用三萬六，而且可以累加。","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-06-04T11:21:23.423000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:21:33.800000+08:00","text":"其實現在民眾最擔心的就是車輛沒入之後，他們還可以再駕駛親友的車，或是他們可以駕駛租賃車，也希望交通部可以再做分級管理。是。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-06-04T11:21:34.941000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:21:37.966000+08:00","text":"交通部目前還在研議，就是3年之後還要再觀察6年？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-06-04T11:21:39.188000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:21:39.348000+08:00","text":"對，沒錯。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-06-04T11:21:40.489000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:21:43.632000+08:00","text":"接下來會和衛福部再做一個聯防的機制？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-06-04T11:21:44.093000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:21:57.105000+08:00","text":"這件事必須要跟衛福部合作，也必須跟法務部還有警政單位，也就是內政部，各個單位會合作把這個名單釐清，再來他的戒治資料也必須串接起來。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"邱委員若華","start":"2026-06-04T11:21:57.105000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:22:03.191000+08:00","text":"是，像高風險的管理，還有衛福部那邊的資料，也請部長再多加留意，謝謝。","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-06-04T11:22:03.592000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:22:04.052000+08:00","text":"好，沒問題，謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-04T11:22:04.313000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:22:04.593000+08:00","text":"謝謝邱若華委員，謝謝部長。","quality":0.455},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-04T11:22:05.093000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T11:22:08.235857+08:00","text":"接下來請楊瓊瓔委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}