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這個可以跟民眾保證嗎"},{"start":255.725,"end":283.527,"text":"我向委員報告我們一定會全力來降低台鐵的人為事故跟一般的事故這個部分是我們一直要努力的目標因為部長接下來七月八月就是台東的旅遊旺季不管是放寒暑假學生返鄉也好或是在這邊旅遊的也好還有我們的熱氣球還有我們的豐年祭種種這些都是台東最重要的一個時刻這個時候千萬不能再發生這樣的事情也要讓民眾安心就是我台東要出去的人要回來的人能夠安心的坐車"},{"start":284.648,"end":307.325,"text":"來台東旅遊的人才能夠不用擔心說會不會就這個還沒有天災我們還沒遇到颱風時就遇到這樣的狀況那第二件事所以學長要用一點時間第二件事就跟部長問一番就是說我們整個南緯地區通行也要做調整就7月1號開始要做時刻調整是嗎是 台東市要做調整經理請問一下對 7月1號以後我們有大概點"},{"start":309.089,"end":328.96,"text":"那個經理這邊本想要建議就是說7月1號開始本身在南韋地區像大午啊經理這邊比較多在使用TT pass的這些站是可以多增加停靠的站點那我想這不僅可以讓整個南韋地區的這個使用增加也可以讓台鐵營收也夠增加這些好一件事那這部分台鐵這邊可以來演繹一下"},{"start":329.94,"end":353.881,"text":"我們感謝委員在長期關心南回地區整個交通我們這邊會來做進一步研議委員提出來的意見我們現在也都在做整個研議處理當中因為部長今天我們東部我們沒有高鐵我們也沒有高速公路我們就只有一條鐵公路而且是遇到天災就會斷掉的鐵公路這部分真的要拜託部長這邊跟"},{"start":355.542,"end":374.667,"text":"重慶這邊能夠多多的加油也跟委員報告就六一那一部分跟委員講我們在六一尾端都有一些安全防護措施所以那個鋪實災他會出軌我們的貨車出軌不會進入陣線所以不會有發生剛才講的這個會對上安全的問題但我知道其實民眾會擔心說他們"},{"start":376.627,"end":392.623,"text":"不好的回憶會上來阿對那第二個部分是台東發生了重大的事件包括普魯瑪事件那個造成傷亡多大我們了解我們全面都在做處理那部長也特別叮你我們這一次針對台中花東縣這邊的電力設備我們已經進行全面的檢查"},{"start":395.666,"end":410.153,"text":"總共有八千四百多組的這個我們的電力設備組數現在已經檢檢討一千四百多組我們預計在八月底我們會全部把它檢討完成那確保該委員提到在這個整個"},{"start":411.554,"end":436.266,"text":"東部的這個旅遊運輸齁能夠都能非常順暢安全我相信其實機車運工都很辛苦啦我們機電運工都很都正在做事情那我們相信台鐵其實也很有心想要改善東部交通這一塊那我們加油不要讓他覺得說我們台鐵機要賣便當而已我相信台鐵也要賣便當其實也做得好這塊我們也要請以上單位能夠多加油好謝謝委員謝謝部長謝謝總經理謝謝主席好謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-06-04T11:31:07.631000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:31:07.771000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-06-04T11:31:08.072000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:31:15.522000+08:00","text":"主席，有請陳部長及臺鐵總經理。","quality":0.538},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-04T11:31:16.424000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:31:16.424000+08:00","text":"請陳部長及馮總經理。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-06-04T11:31:22.692000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:31:22.853000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-06-04T11:31:22.853000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T11:31:24.525000+08:00","text":"部長早安。","quality":0},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-06-04T11:31:24.525000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:31:36.771000+08:00","text":"部長，今天我們討論的雖然是高鐵事件的檢討，還好臺東沒有高鐵，但是我們也有賴以為主的臺鐵，所以今天我來請教你。","quality":0.796},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-06-04T11:31:38.472000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:31:48.197000+08:00","text":"5月25號那天，因為高鐵人為事故造成整個交通大打結，我記得那天8個委員會全部delay，我就在想，如果發生在臺東該怎麼辦？","quality":0.942},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-06-04T11:31:49.916000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:32:02.345000+08:00","text":"不過真的擔心什麼就來什麼，隔了3天之後，5月28號臺東的鐵道就發生了兩件重大的人為事故，部長知道是什麼事情嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-06-04T11:32:02.405000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:32:12.813000+08:00","text":"就是有一個軌道，貨運車有溜逸的問題，另外一個是溜逸造成的電車線問題。","quality":0.806},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-06-04T11:32:13.094000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:32:13.854000+08:00","text":"你覺得這個有沒有很嚴重？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-06-04T11:32:14.775000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:32:15.996000+08:00","text":"我認為是相當嚴重。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-06-04T11:32:16.136000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:32:16.816000+08:00","text":"相當嚴重嘛，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-06-04T11:32:17.357000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:32:18.077000+08:00","text":"因為它在同一個小時之內。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-06-04T11:32:19.962000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:32:21.423000+08:00","text":"它應該有因果關係啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-06-04T11:32:21.963000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:32:23.303000+08:00","text":"這兩件事情是有因果關係的。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-06-04T11:32:23.923000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:32:47.661000+08:00","text":"對，有因果關係，可是我們要想哦，剛剛發生這個溜逸事件之後，造成這個貨車脫軌撞到電線桿，然後影響到整個供電，使得北上的列車因為這樣暫停，暫停一個小時修復之後，往上跑時又勾到、又斷掉，一個鐘頭之內同一個地方發生兩次的事件，是這樣嘛，對不對？","quality":0.781},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-06-04T11:32:47.661000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:32:49.522000+08:00","text":"報告委員，沒有修復啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-06-04T11:32:52.484000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:32:59.147000+08:00","text":"事情在繼續發生，但是在同一件事情裡面，那個時候還沒有修復。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-06-04T11:33:01.809000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:33:06.471000+08:00","text":"對東部來講，我們唯一仰賴的就是這一條道路，也就是鐵道這條道路。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-06-04T11:33:08.332000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:33:26.511000+08:00","text":"民眾的感受是，當時交通部也說臺鐵公司化就是為了要提升營運品質，公司化也完成了，因為公司化之後就必須有營運成本，所以票價要調漲，票價也調漲了，然後交通部也說未來整個東部的安全跟品質都會提升，結果我們看到了什麼事？","quality":0.948},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-06-04T11:33:27.492000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:33:33.698000+08:00","text":"這兩個月其實東部幹線發生了很多這樣的事件，部長這邊有什麼要說明的嗎？","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-06-04T11:33:34.218000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:33:34.238000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-06-04T11:33:35.659000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:33:48.128000+08:00","text":"在事故方面，在整體系統韌性的部分，其實臺鐵公司一直在做改革、改變跟努力，包括邊坡改善的部分、硬體建設的部分我們正在做。","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-06-04T11:33:48.668000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:33:56.434000+08:00","text":"另外對於電力系統，我們最近確實有發現很多電力系統上面的問題，對於該更新的部分，其實臺鐵公司也在研議看要怎麼更新。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-06-04T11:33:57.075000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:34:08.730000+08:00","text":"也跟委員報告，確實我們長線來看，對東部地區來講，臺鐵相當重要，所以它的穩固性、穩定性跟安全性我們特別重視，不過也要給我們一些時間讓我們努力。","quality":0.984},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-06-04T11:34:09.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:34:20.704000+08:00","text":"臺鐵公司的部分，如果以長線來看，就以一整年的事故、事件跟機率來說的話，其實經過這一、兩年的改革看得出來是有在下降的。","quality":0.865},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-06-04T11:34:21.325000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:34:26.971000+08:00","text":"不過要跟委員報告也很抱歉，東部地區確實有蠻多這樣的事件，我們會持續改革。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-06-04T11:34:27.752000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:34:46.477000+08:00","text":"其實本席當下就在附近，我回去選區，我第一個想到的是，如果那個時間差剛好沒有抓到，滑動的這臺貨車車廂剛好進入到接下來要進站的北上或南下列車的軌道上，造成的傷亡就很難去估算。","quality":0.873},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-06-04T11:34:47.117000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:34:47.117000+08:00","text":"是，那個……","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-06-04T11:34:47.317000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:34:49.598000+08:00","text":"臺東每次發生這種事都是很重大的事件。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-06-04T11:34:50.338000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:35:21.105000+08:00","text":"我想東部人……我當天在臺東選區，其實民眾是非常地生氣，認為我們一直給臺鐵很多的機會，當時要調漲票價的時候，我們也一再地反映，在安全措施沒有做好之前，這個部分對東部沒有選擇交通方式的人來說是很不公平的，可是票價也漲了，服務還是這樣子，以後不能再發生，這真的是要最後一次，這個可以跟民眾保證嗎？","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-06-04T11:35:21.805000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:35:28.591000+08:00","text":"向委員報告，我們一定會全力降低臺鐵的人為事故跟一般的事故，這個部分是我們一直要努力的目標。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-06-04T11:35:28.751000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:35:41.761000+08:00","text":"部長，接下來7月、8月就是臺東的旅遊旺季，不管是放寒暑假，還是學生返鄉也好，或是來這邊旅遊的也好，有我們的熱氣球，還有我們的豐年祭，種種這些都是臺東最重要的時刻。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-06-04T11:35:42.682000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:35:55.772000+08:00","text":"這個時候千萬不能再發生這樣的事情，也要讓民眾安心，讓臺東要出去的人、要回來的人能夠安心坐車，來臺東旅遊的人才能夠不用擔心會不會就……這個還沒有天災呢！","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-06-04T11:35:56.032000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:35:58.414000+08:00","text":"都還沒有遇到颱風的時候就遇到這樣的狀況。","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-06-04T11:35:58.574000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:36:00.095000+08:00","text":"第二件事，請主席再給點時間。","quality":0.583},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-06-04T11:36:00.095000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:36:09.022000+08:00","text":"第二件要跟部長反映的是，整個南迴地區的通勤也要做調整，從7月1號開始要做時刻調整，是嗎？","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-06-04T11:36:09.022000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:36:10.303000+08:00","text":"是，7月1號要做調整。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-06-04T11:36:10.303000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T11:36:11.844000+08:00","text":"部長，這位是總經理嗎？","quality":0.222},{"speaker":"馮總經理輝昇","start":"2026-06-04T11:36:11.844000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:36:13.325000+08:00","text":"對，7月1號以後我們有大改點。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-06-04T11:36:15.529000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:36:26.295000+08:00","text":"總經理，本席要建議的是，7月1號開始在南迴地區，像大武、金崙這些比較多人在使用TPASS的站可以多增加停靠的站點。","quality":0.74},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-06-04T11:36:26.855000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:36:34.940000+08:00","text":"我想這不僅可以讓整個南迴地區的使用量增加，也可以讓臺鐵的營收增加，這是一件好的事，這部分臺鐵這邊可以研議一下嗎？可以。","quality":0.796},{"speaker":"馮總經理輝昇","start":"2026-06-04T11:36:35.940000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:36:47.550000+08:00","text":"我們感謝委員長期關心南迴地區的整個交通，我們這邊會來做進一步的研議，對於委員提出來的意見我們現在也都正在做研議、處理當中。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-06-04T11:36:48.031000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:36:57.599000+08:00","text":"部長、總經理，我們東部沒有高鐵、也沒有高速公路，我們就只有一條鐵公路，而且是遇到天災就會斷掉的鐵公路。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-06-04T11:36:58.199000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:37:03.022000+08:00","text":"這個部分真的要拜託部長跟總經理能多多加油。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"馮總經理輝昇","start":"2026-06-04T11:37:03.402000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:37:19.626000+08:00","text":"也跟委員報告，有關溜逸那部分，我們在溜逸的尾端都有一些安全防護措施，所以舖石碴它會出軌，但我們的貨車出軌不會進入正線，所以不會發生剛才講的會對撞這種安全的問題。","quality":0.784},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-06-04T11:37:19.766000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:37:23.708000+08:00","text":"我知道啊，可是民眾會擔心，他們不好的回憶會上來。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"馮總經理輝昇","start":"2026-06-04T11:37:24.389000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:37:25.690000+08:00","text":"對，第二個部分是……","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-06-04T11:37:26.591000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:37:30.635000+08:00","text":"總經理還記得這幾年臺東發生的重大事件，包括普悠瑪事件，那個造成的傷亡有多大嗎？","quality":0.611},{"speaker":"馮總經理輝昇","start":"2026-06-04T11:37:30.915000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:37:32.997000+08:00","text":"我們了解，也都全面在做處理。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"馮總經理輝昇","start":"2026-06-04T11:37:33.578000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:38:01.296000+08:00","text":"部長也特別叮嚀，這一次針對花東線這邊的電力設備，我們已經進行全面的檢查，電力設備總共有八千四百多組，現在已經檢討了一千四百多組，預計在8月底會全部把它檢討完成，以確保剛才委員提到的，使整個東部的旅遊運輸都能非常順暢、安全。","quality":0.881},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-06-04T11:38:01.696000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:38:10.360000+08:00","text":"我們相信基層員工都很辛苦，機、電、運、工都很認真在做事情，也相信臺鐵其實很有心想要改善東部交通這一塊。","quality":0.844},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-06-04T11:38:10.681000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:38:13.242000+08:00","text":"你們加油，不要讓人家覺得臺鐵只是會賣便當而已。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-06-04T11:38:13.562000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:38:20.485000+08:00","text":"我相信臺鐵不只會賣便當，其實也做得很好，所以我們要請以上單位能夠多多加油！","quality":0.794},{"speaker":"馮總經理輝昇","start":"2026-06-04T11:38:21.126000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:38:21.266000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"黃委員建賓","start":"2026-06-04T11:38:21.266000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:38:22.146000+08:00","text":"謝謝部長、謝謝總經理、謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-04T11:38:22.646000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T11:38:27.217429+08:00","text":"謝謝黃建賓委員、謝謝部長、謝謝總經理。","quality":0.125},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-04T11:38:27.517429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T11:38:31.231714+08:00","text":"接下來我們請賴士葆委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}