{"error":false,"id":["169836"],"data":{"IVOD_ID":169836,"IVOD_URL":"https://ivod.ly.gov.tw/Play/Clip/1M/169836","日期":"2026-06-04","會議資料":{"會議代碼":"委員會-11-5-22-13","會議代碼:str":"第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第13次全體委員會議","屆":11,"會期":5,"會次":13,"臨時會會次":null,"種類":"委員會","委員會代碼":[22],"委員會代碼:str":["教育及文化委員會"],"標題":"第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第13次全體委員會議"},"影片種類":"Clip","開始時間":"2026-06-04T11:40:22+08:00","結束時間":"2026-06-04T11:52:11+08:00","影片長度":"00:11:49","支援功能":["ai-transcript","gazette"],"video_url":"https://ivod-lyvod.cdn.hinet.net/vod_1/_definst_/mp4:1MClips/1e7ee030b58e6bfe88e3ad9a518d7ec925640d68b749ae8e87431bb39d7cfed2d3df1470de2396d05ea18f28b6918d91.mp4/playlist.m3u8","委員名稱":"郭昱晴","委員發言時間":"11:40:22 - 11:52:11","會議時間":"2026-06-04T09:00:00+08:00","會議名稱":"立法院第11屆第5會期教育及文化委員會第13次全體委員會議（事由：一、運動部部長李洋列席報告業務概況，並備質詢。\n二、審查115年度中央政府總預算案有關運動部及所屬單位預算案。\n三、審查115年度中央政府總預算案有關直轄市及縣市政府一般性補助款運動部主管部分預算案。\n四、審查115年度中央政府總預算案有關運動發展基金附屬單位預算案。\n五、審查115年度行政法人國家運動訓練中心預算案。\n六、審查115年度行政法人國家運動科學中心預算案。\n七、審查114年度及115年度行政法人國家運動產業發展中心預算案。【僅進行詢答；預算提案請於6月11日中午12時前提出】\n八、審查\n(一)委員羅廷瑋等21人擬具「電子競技運動發展基本法草案」案。\n(二) 委員葛如鈞等18人擬具「電子競技運動發展基本法草案」案。\n九、審查\n(一) 委員柯志恩等18人擬具「國民體育法第二十二條條文修正草案」案。\n(二) 委員洪孟楷等18人擬具「國民體育法第二十二條條文修正草案」案。\n(三) 委員葉元之等19人擬具「國民體育法第二十二條條文修正草案」案。\n(四) 委員羅廷瑋等16人擬具「國民體育法第二十二條條文修正草案」案。\n(五) 委員萬美玲等16人擬具「國民體育法第二十二條條文修正草案」案。\n(六) 委員廖偉翔等16人擬具「國民體育法第二十二條條文修正草案」案。\n(七) 委員陳菁徽等16人擬具「國民體育法第二十二條條文修正草案」案。\n(八) 台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「國民體育法第二十二條條文修正草案」案。\n【第八（二）案及第九(八)案，如未經各黨團簽署不復議同意書，則不予審查】\n【進行詢答及逐條審查】）","transcript":{"pyannote":[{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"房署長瑞文","start":0.48659375000000005,"end":1.66784375,"speaker_score":0.968},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"郭委員昱晴","start":7.793468750000001,"end":9.34596875,"speaker_score":0.963},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"房署長瑞文","start":10.341593750000001,"end":10.88159375,"speaker_score":0.968},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","speaker_name":"李部長洋","start":10.88159375,"end":10.898468750000003,"speaker_score":0.959},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","speaker_name":"李部長洋","start":15.825968750000001,"end":16.48409375,"speaker_score":0.959},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","speaker_name":"李部長洋","start":16.75409375,"end":16.77096875,"speaker_score":0.959},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"郭委員昱晴","start":16.77096875,"end":16.922843750000002,"speaker_score":0.963},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"郭委員昱晴","start":17.17596875,"end":43.23096875,"speaker_score":0.963},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"郭委員昱晴","start":43.34909375,"end":49.45784375,"speaker_score":0.963},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"郭委員昱晴","start":49.67721875,"end":75.49596875,"speaker_score":0.963},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","speaker_name":"李部長洋","start":76.03596875000001,"end":80.96346875,"speaker_score":0.959},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_02","speaker_name":"趙執行長士強","start":80.96346875,"end":129.32721875000001,"speaker_score":0.982},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","speaker_name":"李部長洋","start":81.36846875,"end":81.68909375,"speaker_score":0.959},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"郭委員昱晴","start":83.20784375000001,"end":83.37659375000001,"speaker_score":0.963},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","speaker_name":"李部長洋","start":83.37659375000001,"end":83.66346875,"speaker_score":0.959},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"郭委員昱晴","start":99.79596875,"end":100.18409375,"speaker_score":0.963},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"郭委員昱晴","start":111.49034375000001,"end":112.11471875000001,"speaker_score":0.963},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"郭委員昱晴","start":115.01721875000001,"end":115.82721875,"speaker_score":0.963},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"郭委員昱晴","start":118.51034375,"end":118.71284375,"speaker_score":0.963},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"房署長瑞文","start":118.71284375,"end":118.74659375,"speaker_score":0.968},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"郭委員昱晴","start":118.74659375,"end":118.78034375000001,"speaker_score":0.963},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"郭委員昱晴","start":127.13346875,"end":127.65659375000001,"speaker_score":0.963},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"郭委員昱晴","start":128.56784375,"end":142.62471875,"speaker_score":0.963},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","speaker_name":"李部長洋","start":141.46034375000002,"end":141.71346875,"speaker_score":0.959},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"郭委員昱晴","start":142.87784375,"end":241.14096875,"speaker_score":0.963},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","speaker_name":"李部長洋","start":241.14096875,"end":259.72034375000004,"speaker_score":0.959},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"郭委員昱晴","start":241.68096875,"end":242.13659375,"speaker_score":0.963},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"郭委員昱晴","start":242.40659375,"end":242.60909375000003,"speaker_score":0.963},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"房署長瑞文","start":260.44596875,"end":279.85221875,"speaker_score":0.968},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"郭委員昱晴","start":278.77221875000004,"end":282.94034375,"speaker_score":0.963},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"房署長瑞文","start":280.52721875000003,"end":286.87221875,"speaker_score":0.968},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"郭委員昱晴","start":283.56471875,"end":283.93596875000003,"speaker_score":0.963},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"郭委員昱晴","start":285.42096875000004,"end":291.22596875,"speaker_score":0.963},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"房署長瑞文","start":288.32346875,"end":290.53409375,"speaker_score":0.968},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"房署長瑞文","start":291.22596875,"end":296.40659375,"speaker_score":0.968},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"房署長瑞文","start":296.54159375,"end":304.62471875,"speaker_score":0.968},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"郭委員昱晴","start":304.21971875,"end":316.65659375,"speaker_score":0.963},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"房署長瑞文","start":313.45034375,"end":313.72034375000004,"speaker_score":0.968},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"房署長瑞文","start":315.59346875,"end":332.63721875000005,"speaker_score":0.968},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"郭委員昱晴","start":332.16471875,"end":375.38159375000004,"speaker_score":0.963},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"房署長瑞文","start":336.80534375,"end":337.91909375,"speaker_score":0.968},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"郭委員昱晴","start":375.80346875000004,"end":431.67659375000005,"speaker_score":0.963},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"郭委員昱晴","start":431.79471875,"end":446.50971875000005,"speaker_score":0.963},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","speaker_name":"李部長洋","start":446.56034375,"end":490.09784375000004,"speaker_score":0.959},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"郭委員昱晴","start":489.70971875000004,"end":565.3603437500001,"speaker_score":0.963},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"房署長瑞文","start":521.83971875,"end":522.29534375,"speaker_score":0.968},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","speaker_name":"李部長洋","start":565.46159375,"end":625.19909375,"speaker_score":0.959},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","speaker_name":"李部長洋","start":625.67159375,"end":631.15596875,"speaker_score":0.959},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"郭委員昱晴","start":630.31221875,"end":637.5178437500001,"speaker_score":0.963},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","speaker_name":"李部長洋","start":637.8047187500001,"end":651.49034375,"speaker_score":0.959},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"郭委員昱晴","start":651.79409375,"end":655.55721875,"speaker_score":0.963},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","speaker_name":"李部長洋","start":655.55721875,"end":655.86096875,"speaker_score":0.959},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"郭委員昱晴","start":655.7765937500001,"end":657.4978437500001,"speaker_score":0.963},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"郭委員昱晴","start":657.71721875,"end":685.84784375,"speaker_score":0.963},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","speaker_name":"李部長洋","start":678.64221875,"end":679.04721875,"speaker_score":0.959},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","speaker_name":"李部長洋","start":685.84784375,"end":685.8647187500001,"speaker_score":0.959},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","speaker_name":"李部長洋","start":685.8984687500001,"end":692.8003437500001,"speaker_score":0.959},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_00","speaker_name":"郭委員昱晴","start":692.41221875,"end":710.2153437500001,"speaker_score":0.963},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_03","speaker_name":"李部長洋","start":695.26409375,"end":695.7197187500001,"speaker_score":0.959},{"speaker":"SPEAKER_01","speaker_name":"房署長瑞文","start":707.5490937500001,"end":709.4897187500001,"speaker_score":0.968}],"whisperx":[{"start":0.526,"end":9.116,"text":"下一位 郭益勤委員好 謝謝主席 有請部長有請部長委員長"},{"start":18.674,"end":42.783,"text":"我想剛剛其實有幾位委員特別知道就是昨天這個國家女子足球代表隊他們出發要前往這個關島去比賽但是後來才發現這個在這樣子的一個過程當中他是沒有所謂的這個隨隊的醫師那我們都知道其實這個足球它算是一個高度會身體碰撞的一個運動那過去是好像有運動選手可能在"},{"start":43.483,"end":65.218,"text":"比賽的過程當中有腦震盪啦骨折啦等等這些比較重大的一個傷害所以呢防護員的一個防護跟恢復的一個工作碰到緊急醫療的一個工作的狀態的時候其實真的就需要所謂的這個醫師是隨即來做這樣子的一個診斷跟處理那我想這個部分其實我們也應該要來檢討這次沒有隨隊的這個醫師前往"},{"start":69.241,"end":75.113,"text":"到底是因為經濟的關係還是制度上其實我們沒有要求這個部分可以說明一下嗎"},{"start":76.389,"end":98.686,"text":"我跟委員您報告那是請國訓中心來回覆謝謝謝謝委員你好我這邊做一些補充因為這個過去我們這種國際比賽的經驗除了亞奧運是有一個醫療團隊去以外其他的國際比賽或者錦標賽是用防護員事實上在這些比賽當中如果有重大"},{"start":99.426,"end":117.095,"text":"的這個傷害的時候是直接送醫院但是這一次足球協會在申請經費的時候上面是有編了一個隊一其實我知道這個足球協會是蠻辛苦的因為現在要找隊一出去這個跟隨隊大概兩個禮拜是非常辛苦"},{"start":117.595,"end":141.226,"text":"所以基本上這次是有兩個防護員跟著所以在這個報導上面大家就認為好像沒有去照顧球員事實上是有防護員去照顧球員的那當然其實我們不能等到這個萬一出事了才來討論才來檢討那這個部分可能還是要事前來做比較更嚴謹的一個這樣子的一個行程的安排"},{"start":142.967,"end":168.323,"text":"那接下來我想問的就是關於我們這個全民運動在推行的所謂的這個企業聘用運動指導員的一個補助方案其實這個補助方案其實已經行之多年了它從2018年一直到現在其實已經是19年的時間了但是我上網看了一下這個愛運動平台發現了有幾個問題那許多的這個職缺是要登錄之後才能夠看到一個比較完整的一個內容"},{"start":168.743,"end":193.255,"text":"那如果想要转职的一些运动员或者是选手甚至一些所谓的这个教练或者是体育系的学生如果连他的工作内容或者是他的条件都看得不是很清楚他怎么知道要怎么样来投他的履历那我想要请教一下这个部长就是运动部我们会不会来检讨这个整个平台的一个设计那么我们把所谓的职缺的资讯再更加的公开透明"},{"start":193.755,"end":212.228,"text":"甚至我們可以降低所謂的求職的一個門檻來提高這個媒合的這樣子的一個效率那我想現在我們在補助這些企業聘用運動的指導員那有沒有一個追蹤的機制就如同我剛剛說的這個其實補助的方案其實已經行之多年了已經是第九年了"},{"start":212.748,"end":240.315,"text":"那運動員他的參與率有沒有提高或者是說他的企業有沒有定期的來舉辦所謂的這個運動的課程那麼員工健康促進有沒有具體的一個成效那目前有沒有這樣子的一個成果的一個指標那將來會不會再建立所謂的KPI不是只看說我聘用了多少人人數是一回事但有沒有真正運用在這個整個所有的企業當中我們讓大家全民來運動這個部分其實是我比較關注的"},{"start":241.635,"end":259.523,"text":"各位您先回覆在我想这个运动指导员的部分我想这个在制度上我们肯定还能再精进那在平台上我们肯定也还能再做修改那后续的一些追踪还是这一个课程的部分是不是有请房处长来待会回答好谢谢"},{"start":261.069,"end":275.793,"text":"謝謝委員這邊關心我們大概每年都有補助企業這邊來聘用這個運動指導員沒有錯我們大概也會有一個追蹤小組大概針對平台上面有一些媒合的機制可能就是我們針對運動員這邊或是教練這邊指導員這邊他有提這個相關的需求跟企業大概定期每季大概會這樣子來做一個檢討"},{"start":284.335,"end":290.543,"text":"那我們也是說 希望盡量能夠沒有 目前檢討出來最大的問題會是什麼你們後來 可能就是說有一些指導員可能在他提他的相關的一個那個他的專長需求的部分可能比較沒有寫到這麼精準所以包括企業這邊他如果要找"},{"start":302.439,"end":317.127,"text":"適合的運動指導員的話為什麼我會這樣問因為其實我們真的很怕雖然我們補助進去了但是相關的運動人才被放在行政被放在其他的職務上這個是我擔心的委員你有看到問題所以我們針對企業"},{"start":319.108,"end":337.047,"text":"那個相關的一些兵用指導員我們有補助的部分是我們都會派我們相關的委員去實地這邊來看他們是不是真的就在第一線這邊實際在指導好企業這邊在做一個相關的如果有比較新的一些數據因為今天是事業的關係請書面再提供給我辦公室好不好是的"},{"start":337.708,"end":352.24,"text":"好那另外第三個重點其實我要提到的就是從適應體育到適應運動我相信其實全帳運動會的這個開幕這個比賽的這個賽事開幕其實我們的部長也到我也到"},{"start":352.921,"end":374.935,"text":"那天其實我們看到許多的選手他們其實克服身心上的一個障礙跟限制也積極地投入所謂的這樣子的一個運動的賽事我想他們自我挑戰的精神是非常動容的但是其實我也發現另外一個問題也是一直在關注的一個問題就是許多身心障礙的孩子他們其實在學校他有體育課他有老師可以帶領"},{"start":375.876,"end":401.789,"text":"但是一旦離開了校園之後他卻找不到所謂的適合的運動的場地教練或者是課程那麼雖然我們是有所謂的這個身上的運動的據點但是都只有固定的時間來開課資源也不夠穩定我想請教一下部長就是關於運動部教育部是不是已經有建立合作固定的合作的一個模式跟機制我想適應體育不能只有留在校園"},{"start":402.969,"end":431.2,"text":"適應體育其實應該要銜接到所謂的社區但是這些身上的孩子我們必須說他們接觸到的第一位的教練通常都不是所謂的國家級的教練而是社區教練但社區教練會有什麼問題呢社區教練基本上普遍缺乏適應體育的專業這也是我們擔心的讓孩子他離開了校園之後其實我們希望他繼續的運動這是我們要達到全民運動這樣的一個目標但是問題是他離開了學校"},{"start":432.06,"end":445.816,"text":"家長開始頭痛啦我好像要讓孩子運動找適當的教練適當的場地跟適當的運動跟適當的時間的時候我只能碰運氣這個時候我們有沒有解方然後目前狀況如何"},{"start":446.937,"end":474.62,"text":"首先謝謝委員對於適應體育到適應運動這樣的清楚的描述那確實這是我們運動部以來非常重視的那也很感謝委員您重視這一點那除了在這個硬體的設備的增加以外我想這個除了讓交通跟陪伴者能夠更便利的到達這個運動的可能性我想這也是我們運動部正在做的那剛剛委員您提到的就是從這個學校離開之後他們的運動的可能性下滑"},{"start":475.02,"end":489.697,"text":"那我想這也是我們一直希望與教育部在跨部會的合作可以讓適應體育老師運動這一點上面是可以再去讓老師有這樣的能力去幫助我們的適應體育運動都可以來去增加的部分"},{"start":490.097,"end":517.228,"text":"我們的預算要用在對的地方那我們知道其實目前我們有60多處的這個身上的運動的一個據點那當然希望能夠再更加的擴及了那另外就是在ABC的這個教練的這個培訓的過程當中我們不是只有官方的培訓其實應該也要對接所謂的在民間的運動的課程的一個支援那這個部分呢才能夠提供給適應體育的這些孩子們能夠在出了校園之後他才能夠真正的去銜接"},{"start":517.788,"end":541.59,"text":"好來最後一個問題其實在去年的11月26號跟今年的4月9號那也是質詢我們的這個李洋部長那關於這個林玉樹運動員運動選手跟帕總的一些問題那我想當時部長也特別承諾要主動來立案來做調查那目前最終的調查的結果出來了嗎那整個所有的這個帕總他當初因為就是"},{"start":542.61,"end":564.545,"text":"讓本來要自費參賽的這樣子的一個選手後來他改為公費那當然也影響到他所謂的本來要自費的這個教練連教練都換掉了那後來又因故取消了這樣子的一個公費比賽的一個機會那我想這是個案但問題是當初我就說了要從個案來檢討我們的制度目前有沒有一個制度改革的一個細節出來"},{"start":565.546,"end":590.836,"text":"跟委員您報告首先帕總這邊首先非常感謝您對林玉書這位選手他的重視因為確實我想委員您講的沒錯如果有這樣的案子來發生那他不一定會是只是個案他有可能是通案那我想一開始帕總給我們的報告確實我認為是有問題的那所以我們後續確實成立了小組來去進行這個審查以及這個專案小組來去檢討這件事情"},{"start":592.677,"end":611.075,"text":"那確實在溝通上面當時林玉樹選手可能要去西班牙的部分那整團被取消我覺得在帕總在溝通上面確實可能有一些需要精進的部分那後續也在這個溝通上面有說明說在西班牙沒辦法成行的話後續我們帕總這邊是來補了進當"},{"start":614.218,"end":617.98,"text":"所以帕總除了他們自己覺得自己的缺失之後那我們的運動部有沒有什麼樣的一個改革的手段?"},{"start":637.873,"end":651.021,"text":"我想在帕總這邊我們還是會想辦法讓他們在制度化的不管是在公費上面的這個制度化我覺得還是要讓他們更加清楚讓每一位選手了解他們的權益怎麼樣得到然後怎麼樣去獲得"},{"start":651.84,"end":676.634,"text":"那我想运动部在这边要有一个角色毕竟我们是主管机关那我想这个我们的态度应该很重要啦那对于所谓的派总他不是提到除了只有这个检讨的报告检讨的一个过程检讨的一个疏失但疏失完之后交代完毕之后其实没有改革这也不行那如果有更进一步的一个改革的措施可以在近日给我吗因为我是4月9号"},{"start":677.374,"end":706.032,"text":"4月9號質詢的那我想到現在雖然才過大概兩個月還不到但是我們希望能夠盡快好嗎跟委員您報告首先在這個部分的話帕總在5月26已經將報告提供給我們那是不是再給後續的時間好我們給運動部一些時間來做整理那我想跟運動部成立之後其實不是只是關照這個運動選手他們的一些得牌的獎得牌數其實應該要照顧到全民願意運動的"},{"start":706.892,"end":710.037,"text":"每一个人好不好好谢谢谢谢部长谢谢主席"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-04T11:40:30.215000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:40:30.835000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，有請部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-04T11:40:30.835000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:40:31.096000+08:00","text":"有請部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T11:40:31.096000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:40:31.116000+08:00","text":"委員早安。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-04T11:40:31.116000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T11:40:41.414000+08:00","text":"部長早安。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-04T11:40:41.414000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:40:55.399000+08:00","text":"剛剛有幾位委員特別提到昨天國家女子足球代表隊出發前往關島比賽，但是後來才發現在這個過程當中沒有隨隊醫師。","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-04T11:40:55.539000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:41:35.389000+08:00","text":"我們都知道，足球是身體會高度碰撞的運動，過去常常有運動選手在比賽過程當中發生腦震盪、骨折等等比較重大的傷害，所以當防護員的防護及恢復工作碰到緊急狀態的時候，真的就需要醫師隨即做診斷及處理，我想這個部分也應該要來檢討，這次沒有隨隊的醫師前往，到底是因為經費的關係還是制度上沒有要求？","quality":0.916},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-04T11:41:36.171000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:41:37.113000+08:00","text":"這個部分可以說明一下嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T11:41:40.090000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:41:41.612000+08:00","text":"是不是請國訓中心來回復？謝謝。好。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"趙執行長士強","start":"2026-06-04T11:41:41.612000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:41:43.093000+08:00","text":"委員你好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"趙執行長士強","start":"2026-06-04T11:41:43.613000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:42:03.807000+08:00","text":"我這邊做一些補充，以過去國際比賽的經驗，除了亞奧運有醫療團隊以外，其他的國際比賽或者錦標賽都是用防護員，事實上，在這些比賽當中如果有重大傷害的時候都是直接送醫院。","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"趙執行長士強","start":"2026-06-04T11:42:04.468000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:42:22.677000+08:00","text":"但是這次足球協會在申請經費的時候是有編列隊醫，我知道足球協會蠻辛苦的，因為現在要找隊醫隨隊兩個禮拜是非常辛苦的，所以這次是有兩個防護員跟著。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"趙執行長士強","start":"2026-06-04T11:42:24.377000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:42:30.520000+08:00","text":"就這個報導，大家會認為好像沒有照顧球員，事實上是有防護員去照顧球員的，謝謝。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-04T11:42:31.441000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:42:43.206000+08:00","text":"當然我們不能等到萬一出事了才來討論或檢討，這個部分可能還是要事前做比較嚴謹的行程安排。","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-04T11:42:45.587000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:43:24.129000+08:00","text":"接下來我想問的是關於全民運動在推行企業聘用運動指導員的補助方案，其實這個補助方案已經行之多年，從2018年一直到現在已經有9年的時間，但是我上網看了一下i運動資訊平台，發現有幾個問題，許多職缺是要登錄之後才能夠看到比較完整的內容，如果是想要轉職的運動員或是選手，甚至是一些教練或者是體育系的學生，如果連工作內容或條件都看得不是很清楚，他怎麼知道要如何投他的履歷？","quality":0.825},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-04T11:43:25.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:43:40.979000+08:00","text":"我想要請教一下部長，運動部會不會檢討整個平台的設計，讓職缺的資訊再更加的公開透明，甚至可以降低求職的門檻來提高媒合的效率。","quality":0.702},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-04T11:43:42.219000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:43:47.963000+08:00","text":"現在補助企業聘用運動指導員有沒有一個追蹤的機制？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-04T11:43:48.304000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:44:06.471000+08:00","text":"就如同我剛剛說的，其實補助方案已經行之多年，現在已經是第9年，運動員的參與率有沒有提高，或者企業有沒有定期舉辦運動課程，員工健康促進有沒有具體的成效？","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-04T11:44:07.051000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:44:12.052000+08:00","text":"目前有沒有相關的成果指標，將來會不會再建立KPI？","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-04T11:44:12.472000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:44:22.295000+08:00","text":"不是只看聘用了多少人，人數是一回事，有沒有真正運用在所有的企業當中，讓全民來運動，這個部分其實是我比較關注的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T11:44:24.255000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:44:34.700000+08:00","text":"先跟委員回復，有關運動指導員的部分，我想在制度上我們肯定還能再精進，在平台的部分我們肯定也還能再做修改。","quality":0.604},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T11:44:35.680000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:44:40.903000+08:00","text":"關於後續的追蹤或是課程的部分，是不是請房署長代為回答？謝謝。好。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"房署長瑞文","start":"2026-06-04T11:44:43.069000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:44:56.473000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員關心，我們每年都有補助企業聘用運動指導員沒有錯，我們也會有一個追蹤小組，在平台上面有一些媒合的機制，可能是運動員、教練或指導員有提相關的需求，跟企業端……","quality":0.945},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-04T11:44:56.473000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T11:44:57.473000+08:00","text":"多久會做一次這樣的勾稽？","quality":0},{"speaker":"房署長瑞文","start":"2026-06-04T11:44:56.573000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:45:07.817000+08:00","text":"我們定期每季會檢討，我們也希望能夠儘量媒合。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-04T11:45:07.917000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:45:08.178000+08:00","text":"目前檢討出來最大的問題是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-04T11:45:08.178000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T11:45:09.178000+08:00","text":"並不是檢討完就算了。","quality":0.111},{"speaker":"房署長瑞文","start":"2026-06-04T11:45:08.518000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:45:26.440000+08:00","text":"有一些指導員在提他的相關專長需求的部分可能比較沒有寫到這麼精準，所以企業如果要找適合的運動指導員的話……","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-04T11:45:26.440000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:45:27.541000+08:00","text":"為什麼我會這樣問？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-04T11:45:27.541000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:45:37.866000+08:00","text":"因為我們真的很怕雖然補助進去了，但是相關運動人才被放在行政或其他職務上，這是我所擔心的。","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"房署長瑞文","start":"2026-06-04T11:45:37.886000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:45:54.202000+08:00","text":"委員你有看到問題，所以針對企業聘用指導員獲得補助的部分，我們都會派相關委員實地去看他們是不是真的有在第一線實際在指導企業做相關的運動。","quality":0.891},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-04T11:45:54.262000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:45:59.708000+08:00","text":"今天因為時間的關係，如果有比較新的數據，請書面再提供給我辦公室，好不好？好。","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-04T11:46:00.309000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:46:27.529000+08:00","text":"另外第三個重點我要提到的是，從適應體育到適應運動，全障運動會賽事開幕部長有到，我也有到，那天我們看到許多選手克服身心上的障礙跟限制，也積極地投入這樣子的運動賽事，他們自我挑戰的精神是非常令人動容的。","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-04T11:46:28.090000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:46:53.244000+08:00","text":"但我也發現另外一個問題，這也是我一直在關注的問題，就是許多身心障礙的孩子在學校有體育課，他有老師可以帶領，但是一旦離開校園之後，他卻找不到適合的運動場地、教練或者是課程，雖然我們有身障運動的據點，但是都只有在固定的時間開課，資源也不夠穩定。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-04T11:46:53.644000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:47:01.047000+08:00","text":"我想請教一下部長，運動部和教育部是不是已經有建立固定的合作模式跟機制？","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-04T11:47:01.668000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:47:18.514000+08:00","text":"我想適應體育不能只有留在校園，適應體育其實應該要銜接到社區，我們必須說這些身障的孩子所接觸到的第一位教練通常都不是國家級教練，而是社區教練，社區教練會有什麼問題呢？","quality":0.896},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-04T11:47:18.934000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:47:24.176000+08:00","text":"社區教練基本上普遍缺乏適應體育的專業，這也是我們擔心的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-04T11:47:24.817000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:47:46.334000+08:00","text":"孩子離開校園之後，其實我們希望他繼續運動，這也是為了要達到全民運動的目標，問題是他離開學校之後，家長就開始頭痛了，好像要讓孩子找到適當的教練、適當的場地、適當的運動以及適當的時間就只能碰運氣，這個時候我們有沒有解方？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-04T11:47:46.995000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:47:47.796000+08:00","text":"目前狀況如何？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T11:47:48.937000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:47:58.165000+08:00","text":"首先謝謝委員對於適應體育到適應運動這樣清楚的描述，確實這是我們運動部一直以來非常重視的，也很感謝委員您重視這一點。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T11:47:58.405000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:48:10.034000+08:00","text":"除了硬體設備的增加以外，我想讓交通跟陪伴者能夠更便利地到達運動場所的可能性，這也是運動部正在做的。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T11:48:11.035000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:48:31.256000+08:00","text":"剛剛委員您提到從學校離開之後，他們運動的可能性下滑，其實這也是我們一直希望與教育部在跨部會的合作上，可以針對適應體育到適應運動這一點，讓老師有這樣的能力去幫助適應體育及運動都可以有所增加。","quality":0.876},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-04T11:48:32.097000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:48:40.801000+08:00","text":"我想預算要用在對的地方，我們知道目前有六十多處的身障運動據點，當然希望能夠再更加擴及。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-04T11:48:41.661000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:48:59.208000+08:00","text":"另外是在ABC教練培訓的過程當中，不是只有官方的培訓，其實應該也要對接民間運動課程的資源，這樣才能夠提供給適應體育的孩子們在出了校園之後能夠真正去銜接。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-04T11:49:00.088000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:49:19.706000+08:00","text":"最後一個問題，其實在去年11月26號及今年4月9號本席都有質詢李洋部長關於林育夙運動選手跟帕總的一些問題，當時部長也特別承諾要主動立案來進行調查，目前最終的調查結果出來了嗎？","quality":0.883},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-04T11:49:20.927000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:49:40.001000+08:00","text":"帕總讓本來要自費參賽的選手改為公費，當然也影響到本來要自費的教練，連教練都換掉了，後來又因故取消了公費比賽的機會。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-04T11:49:40.681000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:49:46.545000+08:00","text":"雖然這是個案，但當初我就說了要從個案來檢討我們的制度，目前有沒有一個制度改革的細節出來？","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T11:49:47.546000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:50:00.671000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，首先非常感謝您對林育夙選手的重視，確實委員您講的沒錯，如果有這樣的案子發生，不一定只是個案，有可能是通案。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T11:50:01.652000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:50:12.816000+08:00","text":"確實一開始帕總給我們的報告我認為是有問題的，所以我們後續成立了小組去進行審查，由專案小組檢討這件事情。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T11:50:17.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:50:33.055000+08:00","text":"當時林育夙選手可能要去西班牙的部分整團被取消，我覺得帕總在溝通上面確實可能有一些需要精進的部分，後續有說明西班牙沒辦法成行的話，帕總後續補了靜岡的賽事，目前林育夙選手可能因為備賽的關係，所以選擇不參加，我們也會責成帕總，請他們補足林育夙選手必有的補助。","quality":0.559},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-04T11:50:36.218000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:50:39.960000+08:00","text":"所以帕總覺得自己有缺失之後，運動部有沒有什麼樣改革的手段？","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T11:51:00.273000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:51:13.001000+08:00","text":"在帕總這邊，我們還是會想辦法讓他們在制度化方面，包括公費的制度化，更加清楚地讓每一位選手了解他們的權益要怎麼樣得到、怎麼樣去獲得……","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-04T11:51:13.940000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:51:16.942000+08:00","text":"我想運動部在這邊要有一個角色，畢竟你們是主管機關。對。","quality":0.542},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-04T11:51:20.063000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:51:31.870000+08:00","text":"你們的態度很重要，對於帕總不能只要求他們有檢討報告來檢討過程及疏失，但提出疏失之後、交代完畢之後卻沒有改革，這也不行。","quality":0.463},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-04T11:51:32.630000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:51:36.152000+08:00","text":"如果有更進一步的改革措施，可以在近日給我嗎？","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-04T11:51:36.973000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:51:47.959000+08:00","text":"我是4月9日質詢的，雖然到現在還不到兩個月，但是我希望能夠儘快，好嗎？","quality":0.759},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T11:51:47.959000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:51:54.683000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，首先在這個部分，帕總在5月26日已經將報告提供給我們，我們是不是再給委員？","quality":0.861},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-04T11:51:54.683000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:51:57.805000+08:00","text":"好，後續我們給運動部一些時間來做整理。好。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-04T11:51:58.446000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:52:09.774000+08:00","text":"我想運動部成立之後，不能只是關照運動選手的得牌數，也應該照顧到全民願意運動的每一個人，好不好？沒錯。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-04T11:52:10.094000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:52:12.017000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝部長，謝謝主席。","quality":0.444},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T11:52:12.517000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T11:52:14.231286+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-04T11:52:14.531286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T11:52:17.674143+08:00","text":"下一位請伍麗華委員詢答。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}