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請董事長先回座休息了那我們這個獨駕的部分剛剛聽到這個很高興 上一次在這裡本席在質詢的時候我們有共同的看法就是說獨駕跟酒駕 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奈。當然。","quality":0.853},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-06-04T11:48:54.644000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:49:18.247000+08:00","text":"我想請教一下，陳總經理也在這裡，陳總經理在6月1號的時候向自由時報投書，說明這個事故發生前後的應變決策，包括這個異常事件發生之後，高鐵成立應變中心，董事長史哲坐鎮在總公司指揮，但是當時您人是在高鐵上啊！","quality":0.901},{"speaker":"史董事長哲","start":"2026-06-04T11:49:18.627000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:49:19.529000+08:00","text":"後來就進總公司了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-06-04T11:49:20.089000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:49:20.550000+08:00","text":"所以是後來？是。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-06-04T11:49:21.672000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:49:28.458000+08:00","text":"我今天要講的是，為什麼在事件發生以後，部長或者是董事長這麼的重要？","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-06-04T11:49:28.718000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:49:51.914000+08:00","text":"第一個，你馬上就要上指揮的第一線；第二個，民眾看到今天部長或是董事長出來，不管你是怎麼樣去安撫大家也好，然後講清楚現在、後面應該怎麼做，我覺得這都是非常重要的一個指標，因此，我不太了解的是，因為史董事長您那時候在忙沒有辦法出來跟媒體、跟大眾講清楚，所以事後要請我們陳總經理去媒體投書，是這樣嗎？","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-06-04T11:49:54.515000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:49:58.358000+08:00","text":"為什麼要選擇這個方式，而不是出來好好開個記者會跟大家講清楚？","quality":1},{"speaker":"史董事長哲","start":"2026-06-04T11:49:58.858000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:50:14.147000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們歷經過各式各樣的應變過程，不管是行政院各部會還是高鐵，事實上，在應變的當下，其實並沒有首長或機關首長出面來直接面對媒體，都是由發言體系，因為應變當下應該是專注在應變的執行。","quality":0.988},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-06-04T11:50:14.147000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T11:50:18.129000+08:00","text":"可以啊！","quality":0},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-06-04T11:50:18.129000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:50:19.530000+08:00","text":"可以由發言體系出面，但是投書媒體是比較少見。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"史董事長哲","start":"2026-06-04T11:50:19.891000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:50:21.112000+08:00","text":"投書媒體是事後的事情。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-06-04T11:50:22.473000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:50:30.140000+08:00","text":"本席認為，我們希望以後都不要再有這樣的事情發生，但是在這件事情上面，我覺得還有非常多值得檢討的地方。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-06-04T11:50:31.401000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:50:59.087000+08:00","text":"再來，目前初步調查是轉轍器控制機箱的電源模組出現異常，現在你已經找到所謂的第三方來檢查、認證，這樣比較有公信力，可是今天早上我一直聽到說，我們不能夠確定到底這個報告什麼時候會出來，但是我想民眾或者是我們所有的國人也沒有辦法無限期去等，所以希望這個部分的腳步能加快。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-06-04T11:50:59.767000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:51:12.720000+08:00","text":"就本席了解，財團法人鐵道技術研究及驗證中心也是屬於交通部的財團法人，所以就比較直屬的部分，是不是有什麼方式去催促可以更快一點？","quality":0.898},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-06-04T11:51:12.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:51:14.902000+08:00","text":"有沒有預計大概多久時程會出來？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-06-04T11:51:16.582000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:51:35.506000+08:00","text":"向委員報告，您在指示的這件事我們會來催促，不過，因為他們是專業單位，我們也希望他們不要急著出報告，而是就專業去研析出真正的原因，這個滿重要的，所以我們會去催促，請他儘量快，屆時他的時程出來了，我們會馬上向委員報告。好。","quality":0.928},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-06-04T11:51:36.267000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:51:59.327000+08:00","text":"另外，今天早上其實也有提到，這次的更換電源模組是高鐵公司在2024年開始執行的3年期號誌系統更新計畫，如果從2024年開始，照理講應該就是2026（今）年會完成，目前看起來進度也還不錯，也就是現在已經完成371組，大概有83.5%的完成率。","quality":0.879},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-06-04T11:51:59.968000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:52:08.814000+08:00","text":"按照這個完成率，本席看起來應該在今年可以完成，可見它是一個新的東西，請教一下部長跟董事長，為什麼新的東西會出這麼大一個包呢？","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"史董事長哲","start":"2026-06-04T11:52:11.356000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:52:31.132000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，它是新品，不是新的設備，所以執行的過程也相當的順利，事實上，這一次我們把更換下來的這8個單元件都已經做證據保全，也上了封條，目前第三方包括高科大、鐵研中心、日方，我們事實上都開始進行……","quality":0.872},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-06-04T11:52:31.212000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:52:37.339000+08:00","text":"好，我了解你的意思，但是不管是什麼新設備、新品，它就是一個新的東西嘛！是。","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-06-04T11:52:37.719000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:52:52.228000+08:00","text":"新的東西馬上出這麼大的包，它的問題就很大，我今天特別在委員會指出來，關於這一點，真的要給大家一個交代，因為一個新的計畫，預算也下去了，已經執行完畢，眼看著就要完成了，卻出了這麼大的包，這個非同小可！當然。","quality":0.878},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-06-04T11:52:52.808000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:53:03.171000+08:00","text":"我覺得對相關的責任跟事故的原因要弄清楚，所以我希望像部長剛剛講的，在這個報告出來的時候，對這一點要能夠非常的明白，好不好？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-06-04T11:53:03.171000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T11:53:04.932000+08:00","text":"是，沒問題。","quality":0},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-06-04T11:53:04.932000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:53:21.687000+08:00","text":"今天本席終於釐清了，在事件發生的時候，大家都說史哲董事長神隱，可是看起來其實當時你只要說你發生事情，你也是在趕回來的路上，也卡在高鐵上，這件事就沒有了，媒體就不會一直都在說你神隱起來嘛！","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-06-04T11:53:22.327000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:53:28.653000+08:00","text":"我覺得以後什麼事情都坦坦白白、坦坦蕩蕩，就說：我也在趕回來的路上，這樣就不至於讓大家覺得：奇怪！","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-06-04T11:53:29.053000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:53:29.674000+08:00","text":"董事長去哪裡了？","quality":1},{"speaker":"史董事長哲","start":"2026-06-04T11:53:30.794000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:53:31.514000+08:00","text":"我從來都沒有不坦白。","quality":1},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-06-04T11:53:31.795000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:53:34.575000+08:00","text":"那媒體說你神隱，你也不出來講講話，對不對？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-06-04T11:53:34.575000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:53:36.156000+08:00","text":"你到今天才說你也卡在高鐵上。","quality":1},{"speaker":"史董事長哲","start":"2026-06-04T11:53:38.497000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:53:46.079000+08:00","text":"我從頭到尾都很清楚地說明我每個時間在做什麼，在應變當下都是由執行單位進行，在應變完以後才是由首長來進行。","quality":0.898},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-06-04T11:53:46.839000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:53:47.860000+08:00","text":"大家關心您人在哪裡啊！","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"史董事長哲","start":"2026-06-04T11:53:48.360000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:53:49.780000+08:00","text":"我已經說明過我在總公司了，我從頭到尾都說我在總公司。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-06-04T11:53:51.781000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:53:54.682000+08:00","text":"在事件發生的時候你在總公司，那過程中你有沒有卡在高鐵上？","quality":0.808},{"speaker":"史董事長哲","start":"2026-06-04T11:53:55.523000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:53:59.505000+08:00","text":"我在去公司之前是卡在高鐵上，可是我全日都在公司。","quality":1},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-06-04T11:54:00.006000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:54:12.013000+08:00","text":"我覺得這些聽起來是枝微末節的小事，但是你要知道，你是高鐵的董事長，在當時發生這麼大的事情，其實你很重要，所以千萬不要再有這種所謂的神隱然後找不到人的狀況，好不好？","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"史董事長哲","start":"2026-06-04T11:54:12.373000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:54:16.095000+08:00","text":"是，我們其實應該要求說我神隱的人能夠說明我在哪裡，好不好？謝謝。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-06-04T11:54:16.095000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:54:16.235000+08:00","text":"我問完了嗎？沒有。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-06-04T11:54:16.235000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:54:26.717000+08:00","text":"那你這樣離開的意思是……算了！算了！","quality":1},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-06-04T11:54:27.078000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:54:28.579000+08:00","text":"反正你也不想答詢，那你就先離開吧！","quality":1},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-06-04T11:54:30.860000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:54:35.564000+08:00","text":"來，部長，我們繼續，我想高鐵這一題請董事長先回座休息了，我們來講毒駕的部分。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-06-04T11:54:37.025000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:55:00.457000+08:00","text":"剛剛聽到這個很高興，因為本席上一次在這裡質詢的時候，我們有共同的看法，就是毒駕跟酒駕兩個一樣可惡至極，但是因為毒駕本身就是有吸毒的犯罪行為，在吸毒後又駕車肇事是罪加一等，所以今天很高興看到部長履行上次您的承諾跟看法，我們修法的方向是傾向於把毒駕跟酒駕脫鉤，而且要對毒駕加重。沒錯。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-06-04T11:55:05.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:55:29.202000+08:00","text":"今天你有說了好幾個加重的方式，要往這個方向走，但我想今天還是必須看一下幾個數據，你看我們114年毒駕有8,659件，但是在115年1到4月就高達四千七百多件，最近陸陸續續毒駕造成的憾事也越來越多，所以我覺得我們修法的腳步其實應該要加快。","quality":0.848},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-06-04T11:55:30.123000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:55:33.627000+08:00","text":"當然交通部沒有問題，跟我們所有委員的看法都一致。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-06-04T11:55:33.847000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:55:42.035000+08:00","text":"我覺得在這個修法版本提出來之後，不管是您這裡提出然後經行政院核定送來委員會的版本，還是我們委員所提出的版本，我相信都會有一致性。","quality":0.783},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-06-04T11:55:42.696000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:55:58.311000+08:00","text":"不過本席今天要提出一個問題，就是交通部在送到內政委員會的報告當中也有指出交通部有函請法務部提高毒駕的相關刑罰，就這個部分您有提醒他們，希望往這個方向走，那法務部有沒有跟您提過他們的看法是怎麼樣？","quality":0.793},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-06-04T11:55:58.891000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:56:06.495000+08:00","text":"向委員報告，對於加重的這個方向，各部會大家都有共識，所以法務部也會對刑責部分來加重。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-06-04T11:56:07.055000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:56:19.261000+08:00","text":"另外，對於毒品的認定，像依托咪酯目前應該是三級，會提升到變一級，因為這個對社會的危害相當相當大，所以法務部的方向也是跟我們一致的。","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-06-04T11:56:19.732000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:56:34.380000+08:00","text":"好，最後我想請教一下，我們現在修法的方向是確認用了一、二級毒品，即使沒有開車，會直接吊銷駕照，那三、四級是吊扣，關於這個部分，我們一旦確立了之後會溯及既往嗎？","quality":0.942},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-06-04T11:56:34.940000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:56:44.405000+08:00","text":"現在只要名單有交給我們，不管是跟執法單位也好，或者是跟法務部也好，有拿到相關的名單，我們就全部都會來落實。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-06-04T11:56:45.503000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:56:51.789000+08:00","text":"好，我們的方向既然一致，也覺得毒駕很可惡，我覺得這個絕對是要修法重罰。是。","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-06-04T11:56:51.949000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:56:56.494000+08:00","text":"但是我們的速度應該要加快，因為我們要知道，我們每慢一天，就可能再多一件憾事。沒錯。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"萬委員美玲","start":"2026-06-04T11:56:57.015000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:56:59.877000+08:00","text":"所以我們對這個有共同的目標，也希望部長能夠加速，好不好？謝謝。","quality":0.815},{"speaker":"陳部長世凱","start":"2026-06-04T11:57:00.058000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T11:57:01.199000+08:00","text":"好，我們會加速，謝謝委員。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-04T11:57:01.699000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T11:57:05.984714+08:00","text":"好，謝謝萬美玲委員的發言，謝謝部長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-04T11:57:06.284714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T11:57:14.570429+08:00","text":"還是要提醒一下備詢的官員，在委員沒有請你回座之前，不要自行回座。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-04T11:57:14.870429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T11:57:21.156143+08:00","text":"好，接下來請何欣純委員發言，何欣純、何欣純委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-04T11:57:21.456143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T11:57:24.599000+08:00","text":"接下來請葉元之委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}