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實行多年大家對它的公信力是信任的所以現在我剛剛的問題就是說未來要送進你這個保護委員會審查的這些研究計畫案件它有沒有需要去送IRB"},{"start":421.894,"end":442.348,"text":"報告委員因為我們這邊不審研究型的計畫你在你的要點當中第二點提到第二條提到說如果是以新知探索或學術發表為目的之研究性操作必須應規範另請IRB所以只要涉及研究計畫的要送IRB如果沒有涉及研究計畫就在這個保護委員會審查就可以了"},{"start":442.608,"end":460.699,"text":"好那這一點釐清但是請你們這個定義的範圍要嚴格的去把關第二個是說這個過去即便有IRB的情況下也發生過就是他的審查資料跟實境狀況是不符合的但是我看你們這個保護委員會的要點你們是可以實地訪查的嘛對不對是的"},{"start":461.519,"end":470.245,"text":"對所以我要拜託你們我們還是要進行實地訪查你用什麼樣的機制你們去研擬不要再發生說書面審查結果跟實際狀況不一樣還是沒有去保護到這些我們受試的運動員再來第三點是說這個是大女主案之後國科會定定的相對嚴謹的啦學術倫理準則專題計畫作業要點等等針對人體研究做加強的規範我是建議說我們育課中心跟國科會這邊你們兩邊也可以互相來參照"},{"start":492.22,"end":499.554,"text":"這個標準應該是要同樣的來嚴謹可不可以請這個運客中心跟部長來支持可以"},{"start":500.856,"end":530.616,"text":"那最后就是很快的时间我要来关心的是运产中心因为真的大家都运产中心非常非常期待因为台湾的运动风气在上升我们的运动产业一定环境要越来越好但是今年我们运动运产中心原本是44人今年1月的时候在立法院答选的时候你们说当时只找到了5个人那现在已经6月了然后我在104人力墙上面看到目前还有10个职缺所以我想请教一下我们目前人找状况如何"},{"start":531.537,"end":553.332,"text":"現在跟委員您報告 首先謝謝你對於我們運發中心的重視那目前到任的是31元人員 然後7月1日預計到任38元太好了 那就是我們人力在補足當中再來大家關心的就是你們的業務工作了因為我看了一下那個業務報告跟預算 所以今年大部分是算是前期的研究工作 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謝謝主席謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-04T12:08:38.558000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T12:08:39.921000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，我請運動部李洋部長。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-04T12:08:39.921000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T12:08:40.161000+08:00","text":"有請部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T12:08:48.549000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T12:08:48.729000+08:00","text":"委員早安。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-04T12:08:48.749000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T12:08:48.809000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-04T12:08:49.029000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T12:09:00.976000+08:00","text":"之前在質詢的時候我們就有關心過籃協，好不容易籃協會員大會終於開成了，也完成了理事長改選，各界對於新任的籃協其實非常期待。","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-04T12:09:01.396000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T12:09:34.289000+08:00","text":"不過我從他們過去開會的紀錄裡面發現一個問題，籃協在114年底的流動負債超過1億元，帳面上是1億1,634萬，但是籃協目前的流動資產只有5,500萬，也就是說它在資金調度上面可能會有狀況，而他們的會計師也在資料上面註明，雖然籃協承諾採行財務健全計畫，但繼續經營之能力仍存在重大的不確定性。","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-04T12:09:34.509000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T12:09:42.731000+08:00","text":"所以我想要請教，第一個是運動部有沒有派員去參加籃協的會員大會，有沒有注意到目前流動負債超過1億這樣的情況？","quality":0.959},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-04T12:09:45.031000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T12:09:52.095000+08:00","text":"你們有沒有相關的補助要給籃協而目前還沒有撥付，是因為你們的錢還沒有進去所以有負債還是什麼樣的情況，是否有所了解？","quality":0.849},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T12:09:52.675000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T12:10:16.186000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，首先，我們運動部有派同仁參與它的會員大會，至於它的財務問題，當每一個協會遇到財務問題的話……不只是我們運動部跟籃協的財務和解還沒完成，我想也跟他們的財務自主問題有關。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶：我這邊有三點提醒","start":"2026-06-04T12:10:18.228000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T12:11:19.412000+08:00","text":"第一個，我看籃協4月份的理事會自己有討論過財務問題，認為現在的經營成本其實越來越高，所以它可能真的會有這樣的負擔；第二個是新任理事長剛上任，但是我看起來前任留下滿多問題的，所以我希望未來運動部可以來協助並多加輔導，好不容易改選完成，我們希望未來可以更順利運作；第三個，籃協很重要的職責之一是國手的選訓，過去職籃工會當時的曾文鼎理事長也有來立法院跟我討論過，在體育署時期我們就一直在提醒，之前它的組訓因為沒有制度化，常常是比賽前才臨時要徵召選手，造成在培訓、選訓的時候有一些狀況，所以我看到新任的理事長也提出這是他未來要改革的目標之一，所以我要拜託運動部能夠多多協助籃協未來的運作，我們希望過去相關的問題能夠有所改善。","quality":0.878},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T12:11:19.412000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T12:11:20.592000+08:00","text":"有，謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-04T12:11:20.592000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T12:11:52.623000+08:00","text":"接下來有個問題很重要，我必須要嚴肅地跟部長討論，之前的師大女足案有很多的委員都關心在國科會有運科相關研究，要求國科會在研究倫理上要加強把關，後來國科會也提出了一系列未來要改善的項目去亡羊補牢，但是國科會的精準運科計畫執行到今年底，就我所知，未來應該主要會是運科中心扮演滿重要的角色。","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-04T12:11:53.203000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T12:12:43.864000+08:00","text":"不過在去年的監察院調查報告裡面，監察院告訴我們，過去體育署時期所補助的運科相關計畫其實問題也滿嚴重的，我舉兩個例子：第一個，在運科支援計畫的195個案件當中，只有90個案件是受試者有簽知情同意書，也就是不到一半有簽知情同意書；然後195案當中，只有42案有送人體研究倫理審查；在195案當中，只有35案有發放受試費，不到兩成，也就是說有超過八成的研究案都沒有發受試費；然後這195案當中，有106案、超過一半的受試者未成年。","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-04T12:12:45.825000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T12:13:16.658000+08:00","text":"第二個，在運科輔助計畫裡面，歷屆總共補助了94案，全部都是未成年的受試者，當中不到一半有簽知情同意書，這些都是未成年，超過一半你們都沒有給人家簽知情同意書，他們是在自願還是被迫的情況下參與這些研究？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-04T12:13:17.519000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T12:13:19.562000+08:00","text":"我到現在沒有看到運動部提給我們的檢討。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T12:13:21.194000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T12:13:38.452000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，關於女足案IRB的事情，運動部一定會以最嚴謹的態度來讓後續案子不要再有同樣的事情發生，詳細的部分是不是請運科中心執行長說明？謝謝。","quality":0.894},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-04T12:13:38.452000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T12:13:39.052000+08:00","text":"好，請回答。","quality":1},{"speaker":"趙執行長遠宏","start":"2026-06-04T12:13:40.908000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T12:14:20.706000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，這個案子的調查主責在教育部，以運科中心接下來在執行這個案子，其實我們在法制跟運動員保護上面做了非常多的措施，包含像我們頒布了倫理規範，還有成立了檢測保護委員會等等，這些措施都是為了要保護接下來我們在執行這個案件當中……包含剛剛提到的知情同意，還有受試者的費用發放等等，儘量把這個區塊的相關法規做到完備之後，運科中心才會開始公告執行這個案子。","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-04T12:14:21.306000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T12:14:50.434000+08:00","text":"好，這就是我今天要跟部長討論的，因為社會各界期待的會是……因為當時體育署對外有發新聞稿說會全面檢討，我們應該是先看到你們要如何改善、改革的方案，才繼續研究新的研究計畫，可是你們今年度的研究計畫也已經上路了，新的研究案已經開始跑了，你3月計畫就上了，但是剛剛講的運動員檢測保護委員會設置要點，運科中心是什麼時候通過的？4月份。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"趙執行長遠宏","start":"2026-06-04T12:14:50.434000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T12:14:52.555000+08:00","text":"報告委員……","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-04T12:14:52.555000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T12:15:00.319000+08:00","text":"我今天要請教的是，未來這個保護委員會，第一個是他還有沒有需要再送IRB？","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"趙執行長遠宏","start":"2026-06-04T12:15:01.959000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T12:15:16.266000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，這個運科支援計畫其實是服務型的計畫，我們接下來在這一支計畫裡面不會有研究型的計畫，所以所有服務型的計畫現在在運科中心都是送我們的檢測保護委員會去做審查，因為……","quality":0.863},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-04T12:15:17.939000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T12:15:20.481000+08:00","text":"好，檢測保護委員會是你們自己成立的嘛？是。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-04T12:15:20.681000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T12:15:36.014000+08:00","text":"是新的東西，像國科會主要仰賴的是IRB，因為IRB行之有年，已實行多年，大家對他的公信力是信任的，所以我剛剛的問題是，未來要送進這個保護委員會審查的這些研究計畫案件，有沒有需要去送IRB？","quality":0.965},{"speaker":"趙執行長遠宏","start":"2026-06-04T12:15:36.894000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T12:15:40.557000+08:00","text":"報告委員，因為我們這邊不審研究型的計畫。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-04T12:15:40.557000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T12:15:52.765000+08:00","text":"你在你的要點第二條提到，如果是以新知探索或學術發表為目的之研究性操作，必須依規範另請IRB審核，所以只要涉及研究計畫的要送IRB……","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"趙執行長遠宏","start":"2026-06-04T12:15:53.005000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T12:15:53.605000+08:00","text":"要另送IRB。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-04T12:15:53.946000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T12:15:57.328000+08:00","text":"如果沒有涉及研究計畫，就在這個保護委員會審查就可以了。是的。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-04T12:15:57.608000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T12:16:02.671000+08:00","text":"好，那這一點釐清，但是請你們對於定義的範圍要嚴格的去把關。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"趙執行長遠宏","start":"2026-06-04T12:16:02.671000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T12:16:03.671000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-04T12:16:02.671000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T12:16:15.679000+08:00","text":"第二個，過去即便有IRB的情況下也發生過，就是他的審查資料跟實際狀況是不符合的，但是我看你們這個保護委員會的要點，你們是可以實地訪查的嘛，對不對？是的。","quality":0.986},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-04T12:16:16.519000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T12:16:21.082000+08:00","text":"所以我要拜託你們，我們還是要進行實地訪查，你有什麼樣的機制，你們去研擬，不要再發生書面審查結果跟實際狀況不一樣，這樣還是沒有去保護到這些受試的運動員。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-04T12:16:21.082000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T12:16:54.534000+08:00","text":"再來第三點，師大女足案之後，國科會訂定相對嚴謹的學術倫理準則、專題計畫作業要點等等，針對人體研究做加強的規範，我建議運科中心跟國科會兩邊可以互相來參照，這個標準應該要同樣的嚴謹，可不可以請運科中心跟部長來支持？可以。好。","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-04T12:16:56.196000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T12:17:25.596000+08:00","text":"最後，我用很快的時間來關心運產中心，大家對運產中心真的非常非常期待，因為臺灣的運動風氣在上升，我們運動產業的環境一定要越來越好，但是今年運產中心的員額是44人，今年1月在立法院答詢的時候，你們當時只找到了5個人，現在已經6月了，我在104人力銀行上面看到目前還有10個職缺，所以我想請教一下目前找人的狀況如何？","quality":0.604},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T12:17:26.677000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T12:17:34.783000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，首先謝謝你對於運發中心的重視，目前到任的是31人，7月1日預計到任38人。","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-04T12:17:36.504000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T12:17:36.804000+08:00","text":"太好了！","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-04T12:17:37.124000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T12:17:39.066000+08:00","text":"那就是我們人力在補足當中。對。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-04T12:17:39.686000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T12:17:48.332000+08:00","text":"再來，大家關心的就是你們的業務工作了，我看了一下業務報告跟預算，今年大部分算是前期的研究工作，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-04T12:17:49.814000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T12:17:52.259000+08:00","text":"國人會關心我們對運動產業的輔導計畫、人力培養的計畫等等，實際什麼時候可以出來？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T12:17:52.259000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T12:17:54.623000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，詳細的部分是不是請康執行長來回復？好，請。","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"康執行長小玲","start":"2026-06-04T12:18:03.680000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T12:18:03.920000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"康執行長小玲","start":"2026-06-04T12:18:04.701000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T12:19:40.426000+08:00","text":"代表運發中心回答，114年是在籌備階段，115年在實際的執行目標、具體方向，我講具體的關於我們現在的工作展開，因為是第一年成立，所以我們需要做全盤的基礎調查，在基礎調查當中，我們會有幾個具體的方式，在賽會專業化上面，我們會建立賽會經理人的制度，讓整個人才的培育更為專業；另外，在標竿賽事的部分，我們希望可以把年底的總統盃賽事變成有討論度、可以聚焦的一個全年的大型運動賽會，讓全民關注；在產業方面，我們會跟中華奧會來合作，今年會針對名古屋亞運，會發行亞運運動員的菁英卡，我們希望能夠來建置產業運動員IP這樣的機制；至於在整個休閒運動方面，我們希望能夠做一個休閒運動產業化的示範活動，所以會推行一個100公里的極限健走，讓大家用最低的門檻一同來參與整個健走，也就是剛剛委員有提到的皮克敏這樣的概念，我們希望打造出臺灣也有一條自己的朝聖之路，所以是用徒步來環臺，我們今年會做一個示範的賽事；至於在運科落地上面，也是我們一個很重要的任務，所以我們今年應該在第三季或第四季初的時候會有一個示範場域，讓臺灣可以運用的一個示範場域，打造一個智慧場館，我們可以在全臺慢慢地逐一來建設，這是我們今年實際的工作目標。","quality":0.697},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-04T12:19:41.567000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T12:19:58.594000+08:00","text":"好，我們對運動產業的發展都非常的支持也期待，尤其是我們運產中心有一個目標是要落實全民運動，之前質詢過，其實全運署的預算真的不高，所以我也希望運產中心未來的執行可以跟全民運動來互相搭配，一起來推廣。","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-04T12:19:58.594000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T12:20:00.655000+08:00","text":"再次感謝部長、執行長，謝謝主席！謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T12:20:01.155000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T12:20:02.297857+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-04T12:20:02.597857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T12:20:05.169286+08:00","text":"下一位請蔡春綢委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-04T12:20:05.469286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T12:20:15.183571+08:00","text":"不好意思，請工作人員發便當，現場的大家如果需要先補充的話，就不要客氣了，好嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-04T12:20:15.483571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T12:20:24.340714+08:00","text":"因為我們中午不休息，要繼續開會，也懇請大家幫忙，把便當發下去，麻煩，謝謝！","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}