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部長運動部大家都辛苦了今天年過了一半我們趕快來補進度省預算是重中之重人民都在等預算而且這是第一次運動部自己"},{"start":29.478,"end":43.591,"text":"編列的運動部的所屬預算所以我認為應當好好來檢視所以說趕快審預算是我們的要務那我今天就預算論預算我一向重視全民運動全民運動要做大做好"},{"start":44.292,"end":49.274,"text":"但是在預算面跟人力面人力有未待我們先從預算面來切入這個有兩個圓餅圖一個是2025年一個就是今年2026年因為成立了運動部我們總體的運動預算當然是提升"},{"start":62.279,"end":76.704,"text":"但是呢从左到右我当然也要起免也要加免也要肯定了红色的部分就是我们全民运动的预算去年11.3亿今年呢成长12亿也是成长了106%来到23.3亿"},{"start":81.005,"end":100.295,"text":"就自己比自己看起來是成長106%是大幅的成長但是如果以整個運動預算的比例看起來決明運動跟競技運動大概還是你看這個三分之一左右的數字所以說下一頁"},{"start":101.115,"end":117.881,"text":"您個人認為在預算面您心中作為運動部部長如果預算是百分之百您對於現在23比76這樣子的數字在預算的分配上您認為是不是還有需要調整的空間"},{"start":119.061,"end":142.631,"text":"首先謝謝委員對於我們全民運動跟我們經濟運動的這個預算的重視我想這部分個人身為運動部部長我希望說未來幾年在編列預算的時候可以逐步來調整讓全民運動能夠真正融入到你心中有沒有一個比較完美的現階段的一個完美的比例目前的話當然我想現在大概是1比3"},{"start":146.69,"end":165.982,"text":"好这个功课您好好回去思考我在审查预算的时候会再跟大家讨论我认为与其当然我们要培育非常多的运动员运动家那非常重要可是吴思瑶我作为教育文化委员的核心是运动家很重要但是培育更多的运动家庭"},{"start":166.522,"end":186.34,"text":"我认为更重要所以在比例上我今天不难为但是我也肯定我们全民运动的预算是提升了但是在比例上如何来调配大家都好好思考它是一个严肃的课题好那解释完预算我们来看人力运动部315个人力全民运动署112位"},{"start":188.061,"end":213.523,"text":"全民运动署还有35位未禁用缺额运动部有56位未禁用但是以禁用率来讲运动部成立之后你们非常努力的去进行人力的征服运动部的禁用率来到82%全民运动署只有68%人力的困境我想部长还是要解决目前有什么样的做法"},{"start":214.143,"end":233.179,"text":"官委員您報告那首先在這個目前5月31的現有緣額的話運動部是來到快要七成那全民運動署的部分來到五成六左右那在年底的部分因為我們大部分剩下的這個職缺我們有提考試分發那到年底的部分報到人數會運動部會來到82.5%那全民運動署會來到71.4%這是目前的預估"},{"start":240.411,"end":265.09,"text":"预算给了就是预算原额在那里能补赶快补好我想你们工作也非常多好吗我再一次的来提醒好下一页我要肯定我们推广全民运动然后我们对于很多的全国性运动团体办理全民运动相关的活动补助案我整理出来了2026年补助102个团体补助额度总数来到6014万刚好非常的balance"},{"start":268.152,"end":281.369,"text":"分两类一类就是连续三年都获补助而且觉得他执行很好的这所谓的基优团体我连续补助46个来到2948万比例大概就是49%是一半"},{"start":283.231,"end":289.095,"text":"但我們也把一半左右45.93%也就是46%2762萬拿來給予新興的首次補助的新的團體我覺得非常好代表我們對於基優的團體永續性的補助我們堅固但是對於新興運動"},{"start":303.866,"end":316.418,"text":"我們也是給予更高的機會下一頁這是要大大的肯定您知道嗎2026年首次獲得補助的這些活動全民運動項目我整理出來有這麼多特色"},{"start":317.372,"end":344.169,"text":"我覺得一項一項都值得我來給您拍拍手給運動部的同仁拍拍手第一個我們去突破了過去只限於主流運動為主的補助我們去深入補助各種的多元性的而且對於特殊的從大眾運動的走向導向一個深度經營特色運動文化以及對於保障弱勢運動的權利也就是運動平權我們兼顧了"},{"start":345.249,"end":371.968,"text":"這五大類我整理出來我真的是今天來肯定大家的你們新興的補助運動項目包括強調原住民族文化傳承與運動與特色的運動今天吳立華委員不在場我想他也努力的來爭取對於原住民族特色的技藝跟競技不管是傳統競技跨領域的運動跟體能你們都把這納入補助的項目很好"},{"start":372.648,"end":397.005,"text":"第二类其实这也要分享给这个招委哦我们对于这种mine sports智力运动跟策略棋类的崛起我们也反映在补助的项目各类的棋艺运动像棋啦围棋啦跳棋啦还有电子竞技运动是你们新兴补助项目的重中之重"},{"start":397.645,"end":425.464,"text":"就在里头所以我也查到资料2026年我们非常的努力协助中华民国电子竞技运动协会大概有300万以上办理大专杯高校杯跟各类的电竞选拔赛这代表我们对于这种mine sports智力运动跟策略其类的崛起新兴的趋势我们是get而且我们反映在补助的项目"},{"start":426.184,"end":439.039,"text":"所以我觉得我们对于电子竞技对于电竞类就是在给支持这是政策的现在进行式以我在吊跃补助活动更多元里头我就发现我要给你们肯定"},{"start":440.579,"end":458.251,"text":"並不是說政府都沒有關心電競第三類呢我們擴大對於技藉武術跟新興運動的補助就是格鬥啦這個有些我都不懂克拉術啦拳踢啦還有布袋球巧固球木球還有專門針對兒童的輪椅輪板對不起輪板運動的體驗也是我們新興補助的項目"},{"start":465.996,"end":483.158,"text":"第四類我們強調社會共榮適應運動跟弱勢的照顧做到權齡的或是樂齡的運動項目的補助我也要給你們支持尤其對於這種弱勢家庭的海洋獨木舟跟SUP SUP的培利營你們都做得很好"},{"start":484.039,"end":502.493,"text":"最後一項台灣是多山的國家台灣是一個海洋國家對於戶外探索山岳跟水域安全教育的補助也納入我們全民運動的補助的重點讓大家運動之餘更認識台灣的好山好水"},{"start":503.354,"end":518.743,"text":"所以這些項目我認為都是我看到全民運動一個新興的趨勢我要鼓勵你們反映在補助上而補助需要預算預算就是反映政策這些部分給您拍拍手你們持續來推動好嗎"},{"start":525.381,"end":536.152,"text":"主要還是當然署長這邊然後還有我們同仁這邊就如同委員您講的在預算以外還有我們人力的部分其實每位同仁因為現在人力還沒到期其實每位同仁真的都非常辛苦"},{"start":536.172,"end":562.281,"text":"对所以人力补足然后预算宽裂然后给予各项需要的特色运动的补助而且是全民运动类我再支持也不过了最后一个提点一下我们2018年起跑的一个企业要聘运动指导员我们鼓励企业来带动运动今年还加码了我看到你们今年在推广最高可以到240万元但是那限于500人以上的大企业"},{"start":563.101,"end":592.175,"text":"那2025年媒合了93家企业然后有让运动指导员他也是一个产业可以有很多运动指导员那问题就来了大企业给很多有赢大企业做得到那中小企业呢还有行政院要推出一个中小为企业1000亿的补助跟转型我认为你们要争取如果说10人以下20人以下他可能没有办法独立撑起来"},{"start":593.106,"end":616.56,"text":"聘一個運動指導員你們可以聯合整合的幾家一起鼓勵大家一起運動空間可以一起租借鼓勵大家去社區的哪一個共同的場域來透過運動指導員的協助大家要運動而且要動的對動的好動的健康跟動的安全所以中小企業可不可以納入"},{"start":619.174,"end":644.161,"text":"這部分我們可以來我剛說可以整合找方法否則在中小企業我們的傳產是台灣的七成以上跟委員您報告確實我們可以來瞭解中小企業是我們如何用運動指導員來去協助他們中小企業不應當是outside他們也是運動平權的重要一環最後一個公部門立法院沒有任何運動的場所我們這些立委"},{"start":645.851,"end":672.793,"text":"也需要運動運動可以讓我們健康身心靈健康我以前在市議會的時候市議會還有游泳池還有籃球場那當然立法院要面臨改建本來就是一個不太合用的空間但是我們一樣可以租借鄰近的這個運動中心然後立法院可不可以運動布蘭媒合讓立法院也有運動指導員呢我們的行政院我們的跨部會"},{"start":674.468,"end":700.086,"text":"公部門的同仁難道不應當推廣全民運動嗎應該 我們會來瞭解是否可以讓這個整個計畫去更加可以受到這個運動指導員的這個優點讓他更加擴充你們要好好去思考運動指導員本身讓國人大家都動起來而且動得安全 動得健康然後呢"},{"start":701.586,"end":723.162,"text":"應當任何人的權利被剝奪我們對大企業下手我理解因為我們鼓勵企業就先從大企業下手但是中小微企業的員工的運動平權也要兼顧我們會用整合性的計畫或者找中小企業來看怎麼樣方法可以協助他們也許有些中小微企業他自己老闆非常愛運動他願意"},{"start":725.504,"end":754.904,"text":"自己去聘運動指導員國家也要給予相關的補助補貼又因那公部門公部門也要動起來我們這些立法院的職員工大家都應當能夠享有運動部的這種好的政策的一個加惠福利好嗎好那把問題帶回去可不可以兩個月來提一個大概的簡要的工作的計畫來跟本席做說明好嗎跟委員您報告那是不是評估報告"},{"start":755.484,"end":760.292,"text":"好 评估报告没有问题那我会全力支持相关的预算辛苦了 谢谢大家"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-04T12:59:06.260000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T12:59:07.300000+08:00","text":"謝謝部長，謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-04T12:59:07.861000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T12:59:15.046000+08:00","text":"有請部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T12:59:15.046000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T12:59:15.366000+08:00","text":"委員您好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-04T12:59:16.227000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T12:59:22.832000+08:00","text":"部長，運動部大家都辛苦了，今年已經過了一半，我們趕快來補進度。","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-04T12:59:23.873000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T12:59:35.562000+08:00","text":"審預算是重中之重，人民都在等預算，而且這是第一次運動部自己編列運動部及所屬的預算，所以我認為應當要好好來檢視。","quality":0.922},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-04T12:59:37.404000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:00:18.684000+08:00","text":"趕快審預算是我們的要務，我今天就預算論預算，我一向重視全民運動，全民運動要做大做好，但在預算面跟人力面仍力有未逮，我們先從預算面來切入，這裡有兩個圓餅圖，一個是2025年，一個就是（今）2026年，因為成立了運動部，總體的運動預算當然是提升，但是從左到右圖，我當然要期勉，也要嘉勉，也要肯定，紅色的部分就是全民運動的預算，去年11.3億，今年成長12億，成長了106%，來到23.3億。","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-04T13:00:23.545000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:00:40.854000+08:00","text":"自己比自己看起來是成長106%，是大幅的成長，但是如果以整個運動預算的比例看起來，全民運動和競技運動大概還是只有三分之一左右的數字。","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-04T13:00:41.634000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:00:59.881000+08:00","text":"所以您個人認為在預算面，您作為運動部部長，如果預算是百分之百，對於現在23%比76%這樣的數字在預算的分配上，您認為是不是還有需要調整的空間？","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T13:01:01.061000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:01:06.263000+08:00","text":"首先，謝謝委員對於全民運動與競技運動預算的重視。","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T13:01:06.844000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:01:15.587000+08:00","text":"這部分個人身為運動部部長，我希望未來幾年在編列預算的時候可以逐步調升，讓全民運動能夠真正融入到每一位……","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-04T13:01:15.807000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:01:20.489000+08:00","text":"您心中現階段有沒有一個比較完美的比例？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T13:01:21.870000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:01:23.371000+08:00","text":"目前的話，當然我想……","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-04T13:01:23.931000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:01:24.611000+08:00","text":"現在大概是一比三。嗯……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-04T13:01:28.690000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:01:30.771000+08:00","text":"好，這個功課，您好好回去思考。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T13:01:30.771000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T13:01:31.771000+08:00","text":"好，這個部分我會來思考。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-04T13:01:31.272000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:01:33.613000+08:00","text":"我在審查預算的時候會再跟大家討論。好。","quality":0.588},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-04T13:01:34.474000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:01:40.037000+08:00","text":"我認為當然我們要培育非常多的運動員、運動家，那非常重要。","quality":0.64},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-04T13:01:40.577000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:01:49.303000+08:00","text":"可是吳思瑤我作為教育及文化委員的核心是，運動家很重要，但是培育更多的運動家庭，我認為更重要。","quality":0.738},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-04T13:01:49.903000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:02:01.053000+08:00","text":"所以在比例上，我今天不難為，我也肯定全民運動的預算是提升了，但是在比例上如何來調配，大家都好好思考，它是一個嚴肅的課題。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-04T13:02:02.134000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:02:04.236000+08:00","text":"好，檢視完預算，我們來看人力。","quality":0.583},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-04T13:02:05.457000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:02:16.627000+08:00","text":"運動部315個人力，全民運動署112位；全民運動署還有35位未進用缺額，運動部有56位未進用。","quality":0.606},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-04T13:02:17.227000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:02:35.503000+08:00","text":"但是以進用率來講，運動部成立之後，你們非常努力的進行人力的增補，運動部的進用率來到82%，全民運動署只有68%，我想部長還是要解決人力的困境，目前有什麼樣的做法？","quality":0.614},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T13:02:36.343000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:02:45.991000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，首先，在5月31日的現有員額，運動部是來到快要七成，全民運動署的部分來到五成六左右。","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T13:02:47.553000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:02:55.159000+08:00","text":"因為我們大部分剩下的職缺有提考試分發，到年底的報到人數，運動部會來到82.5%，全民運動署會來到71.4%，這是目前的預估。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-04T13:03:02.591000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:03:08.896000+08:00","text":"預算給了，預算員額在那裡，能補趕快補，我想你們工作也非常多，好嗎？","quality":0.607},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-04T13:03:09.316000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:03:10.517000+08:00","text":"我再一次的提醒。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-04T13:03:11.958000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:03:43.349000+08:00","text":"我也要肯定你們推廣全民運動，然後對於很多全國性運動團體辦理全民運動相關的活動補助案，我整理出來了，2026年補助102個團體，補助額度總數來到6,014萬，剛好非常平衡，分兩類，一類就是連續三年都獲補助，而且覺得他執行很好的所謂績優團體，連續補助46個，來到2,948萬，比例大概就是49%，是一半。","quality":0.525},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-04T13:03:45.231000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:04:10.751000+08:00","text":"但我們也把一半左右，45.93%，也就是46%，2,762萬拿來給予新興首次補助的新團體，我覺得非常好，代表對於績優團體永續性的補助我們兼顧，但是對於新興運動，我們也是給予更高的機會，這是要大大的肯定。","quality":0.951},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-04T13:04:11.472000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:04:12.753000+08:00","text":"您知道嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-04T13:04:12.753000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:04:23.595000+08:00","text":"2026年首次獲得補助的這些活動，全民運動項目我整理出來有這麼多特色，我覺得一項、一項都值得我來給您拍拍手，給運動部的同仁拍拍手。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-04T13:04:23.855000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:04:50.331000+08:00","text":"第一個，我們突破了過去只限於主流運動為主的補助，我們深入補助各種的、多元性的，而且對於特殊的，從大眾運動的走向，導向一個深度經營特色運動文化，以及對於保障弱勢運動的權利，也就是運動平權我們兼顧了，這五大類我整理出來，我今天真的是來肯定大家的。","quality":0.982},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-04T13:04:51.032000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:05:13.948000+08:00","text":"你們新興補助運動項目包括強調原住民族文化傳承與特色運動，今天伍麗華委員不在場，我想他也努力爭取，對於原住民族特色的技藝及競技，不管是傳統競技、跨領域的運動與體能，你們都納入補助的項目，很好！","quality":0.954},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-04T13:05:14.648000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:05:39.865000+08:00","text":"第二類，其實這也要分享給召委，我們對於這種Mind Sports智力運動與策略棋類的崛起也反映在補助的項目，各類棋藝運動如象棋、圍棋、跳棋，還有電子競技運動是你們新興補助項目的重中之重，就在裡頭。","quality":0.584},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-04T13:05:40.946000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:06:07.444000+08:00","text":"所以我也查到資料，2026年我們非常努力協助中華民國電子競技運動協會大概有300萬以上，辦理大專盃、高校盃及各類電競選拔賽，就代表我們對於這種Mind Sports智力運動與策略棋類的崛起，新興的趨勢我們是get，而且反映在補助項目。","quality":0.588},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-04T13:06:08.184000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:06:25.541000+08:00","text":"所以我覺得我們對於電子競技、對於電競類就是在給支持，這是政策的現在進行式，以我在調閱補助活動更多元裡頭，我就發現我要給你們肯定，並不是說政府都沒有關心電競。","quality":0.653},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-04T13:06:25.541000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:06:40.231000+08:00","text":"第三類，我們擴大對於技擊、武術及新興運動的補助，就是格鬥，這個有些我都不懂，克拉術、拳踢，還有布袋球、巧固球、木球，還有專門針對兒童的輪板運動體驗，也是我們新興補助的項目。","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-04T13:06:47.996000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:07:05.138000+08:00","text":"第四類，我們強調社會共融、適應運動及弱勢的照顧，做到全齡或是樂齡運動項目的補助，我也要給你們支持，尤其對於這種弱勢家庭的海洋獨木舟及SUP培力營，你們都做得很好。","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-04T13:07:06.039000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:07:24.473000+08:00","text":"最後一項，臺灣是多山的國家，臺灣是一個海洋國家，對於戶外探索山岳及水域安全教育的補助，也納入全民運動的補助重點，讓大家運動之餘，更認識臺灣的好山好水。","quality":0.985},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-04T13:07:25.354000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:07:33.679000+08:00","text":"所以這些項目我認為都是我看到全民運動一個新興的趨勢，我要鼓勵你們反映在補助上。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-04T13:07:34.380000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:07:40.743000+08:00","text":"而補助需要預算，預算就是反映政策，這些部分給您拍拍手，你們持續來推動好嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T13:07:40.743000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T13:07:44.062000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-04T13:07:44.062000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T13:07:47.381000+08:00","text":"我給你稱讚這麼多，你只有謝謝？","quality":0},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T13:07:47.381000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:07:58.132000+08:00","text":"沒有，主要當然署長還有我們同仁……就如同委員您講的，在預算以外，還有我們人力的部分，因為現在人力還沒到齊，其實每位同仁真的都非常辛苦。","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-04T13:07:58.452000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:08:07.435000+08:00","text":"對，所以人力補足，預算寬列，然後給予各項需要的特色運動補助，而且是全民運動類，我再支持也不過了。","quality":0.619},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-04T13:08:07.615000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:08:31.904000+08:00","text":"最後一個提點一下，2018年起跑的企業要聘運動指導員，我們鼓勵企業帶動運動，今年還加碼了，我看到你們今年在推廣最高可以到240萬元，但是那限於500人以上的大企業，2025年媒合了93家企業，讓運動指導員也是一個產業，對不對？","quality":0.614},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-04T13:08:33.065000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:08:33.805000+08:00","text":"可以有很多運動指導員。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-04T13:08:34.545000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:08:41.749000+08:00","text":"那問題就來了，大企業給很多誘因，大企業做得到，那中小企業呢？","quality":0.654},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-04T13:08:42.389000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:09:18.540000+08:00","text":"還有行政院要推出一個中小微企業1,000億的補助及轉型，我認為你們要爭取，如果10人以下、20人以下，他可能沒有辦法獨立撐起來聘一個運動指導員，你們可以聯合整合幾家一起，鼓勵大家一起運動，空間可以一起租借，鼓勵大家去社區的哪一個共同場域，透過運動指導員的協助，大家要運動，而且要動得對、動得好、動得健康及動得安全，所以中小企業可不可以納入？","quality":0.844},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T13:09:21.174000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:09:21.775000+08:00","text":"這部分我們可以來……","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-04T13:09:21.775000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:09:27.816000+08:00","text":"我剛剛說可以整合、找方法，否則在中小企業，臺灣的傳產是占了七成以上啊！","quality":0.806},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T13:09:28.476000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:09:34.618000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，確實我們可以來了解中小企業，我們如何用運動指導員去協助他們。","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-04T13:09:34.618000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:09:36.378000+08:00","text":"中小企業不應當是outsider……當然。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-04T13:09:36.538000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:09:39.719000+08:00","text":"他們也是運動平權的重要一環。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-04T13:09:39.719000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:09:51.294000+08:00","text":"最後一個，公部門、立法院沒有任何運動的場所，我們這些立委也需要運動，運動可以讓我們健康、身心靈健康。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-04T13:09:51.474000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:10:12.351000+08:00","text":"我以前在市議會的時候，市議會還有游泳池、籃球場，當然立法院要面臨改建，本來就是一個不太合用的空間，但是我們一樣可以租借鄰近的運動中心，然後立法院可不可以由運動部來媒合，讓立法院也有運動指導員呢？","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-04T13:10:13.452000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:10:22.072000+08:00","text":"行政院、跨部會的公部門同仁難道不應當推廣全民運動嗎？","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T13:10:22.072000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:10:32.699000+08:00","text":"應該，我們會來了解是否可以讓整個計畫更加受到運動指導員的優點，讓他更加擴充。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-04T13:10:33.540000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:10:45.348000+08:00","text":"你們要好好思考，運動指導員本身讓國人大家都動起來，而且動得安全、動得健康，不應當任何人的權利被剝奪。","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-04T13:10:45.348000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:11:02.220000+08:00","text":"我們對於大企業下手，我理解，因為鼓勵企業就先從大企業下手，但是中小微企業員工的運動平權也要兼顧，我們會用整合性的計畫或者找中小企業，看怎樣的方法可以協助他們。","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-04T13:11:02.220000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:11:26.617000+08:00","text":"也許有些中小微企業的老闆非常愛運動，他願意自己去聘運動指導員，國家也要給予相關的補助、補貼、誘因，而公部門也要動起來，我們這些立法院的職員工，大家都應當能夠享有運動部這種好的政策的嘉惠、福利，好嗎？","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T13:11:26.617000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T13:11:27.617000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝委員。","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-04T13:11:27.077000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:11:34.042000+08:00","text":"把問題帶回去，可不可以兩個月提一個簡要的工作計畫來跟本席做說明，好嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T13:11:34.042000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:11:37.484000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，是不是評估報告就好？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-04T13:11:37.845000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:11:38.386000+08:00","text":"好，評估報告，沒有問題。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T13:11:38.386000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T13:11:39.568000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-04T13:11:39.568000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:11:42.272000+08:00","text":"我會全力支持相關的預算，辛苦了，謝謝大家。","quality":0.722},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T13:11:42.772000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T13:11:43.914857+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-04T13:11:44.214857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T13:12:05.072000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員跟部長，也跟吳思瑤委員特別報告，非常用心，在立法院還沒有處理相關的運動問題之前，羅智強委員對皮克敏非常用心，可以跟他學習一下，可以用散步來運動，也還不錯。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-04T13:12:05.372000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T13:12:40.514857+08:00","text":"剛剛有提到預算的支持，我還是要再次強調，就是運動部的努力跟編列預算來支持電競，我一定要肯定、一定是支持，但我還是希望是制度上要來做一個支撐，因為國際的賽事、人才的培育，避免被挖角，這也是我們在基本法一直在強調的，這絕對不是單單預算支持就能夠把人才留下來、國際賽事引進來。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-04T13:12:40.814857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T13:12:51.386286+08:00","text":"剛剛部長也有強調現行的法令不足，我們希望能夠趕快找到方法來解決，也拜託部長，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-04T13:12:51.686286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T13:12:54.543429+08:00","text":"下一位有請羅智強委員。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}