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","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:36:45.703000+08:00","text":"所以我們是不是可以去發展更多元、更有趣的運動形式？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-06-04T13:36:45.923000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:36:54.750000+08:00","text":"因為之前我有請你們去檢討嘛，我現在看到這份報告之後，我覺得你們也可以一起來參考，看看這個項目是不是可以做為未來的發展參考？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-06-04T13:36:55.231000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:37:08.580000+08:00","text":"因為現代五項已經把Laser Run跟障礙賽結合了，這裡面我覺得因為有豐富的趣味性、有趣性，所以其實是可以讓孩子更有機會來參與、投入運動。","quality":0.651},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-06-04T13:37:10.321000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:37:22.829000+08:00","text":"同時它也可以銜接到射擊、田徑、冬季以及其他的運動項目，所以等於說未來如果孩子要做專項訓練的話，這是一個很好的基礎，障礙賽也是一樣。","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-06-04T13:37:22.829000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:37:45.099000+08:00","text":"所以我在想說，我們現在如果要做一些檢討的話，是不是也可以把這兩個項目一起來做一個全面推廣的研議，包含把Laser Run跟障礙賽納入國中小體育課程或是課後活動的一個具體政策跟實施辦法、資源投資、場地等等，是不是可以做一個研議呢？","quality":0.934},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T13:37:46.199000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:37:58.263000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們當然會跟全國性的體育團體、運動團體去研議，同時我們也會跟教育部做跨部會的協調，看看是否可以在學校開始去推廣這樣的運動。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-06-04T13:38:00.140000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:38:04.343000+08:00","text":"好，最後一個問題我快快地問一下，抱歉，主席，再占用一點時間。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-06-04T13:38:06.144000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:38:12.569000+08:00","text":"2028年的洛杉磯奧運距離現在也只剩兩年的時間了，現在應該也是緊鑼密鼓的。","quality":0.774},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-06-04T13:38:13.149000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:38:23.597000+08:00","text":"其實一直以來我都在質詢黃金計畫不要維持過於複雜的一到六級，應該要朝更清楚的、更容易對應資源配置的四級，也非常感謝運動部在116年就要開始了。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-06-04T13:38:25.818000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:38:31.220000+08:00","text":"但是除了運動分級之外，是不是可以有一個競賽型的積分競賽計畫？","quality":1},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-06-04T13:38:34.141000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:38:57.613000+08:00","text":"我想部長也很清楚，球類運動要打的真的是太多了，跟其他的運動項目真的很不一樣，需要的旅費、需要的資源也非常多，所以是不是可以有這樣一個計畫，讓選手或是教練提出自己的年度規劃，再由國訓中心依技術指標排名變化、參賽必要性跟奪牌潛力進行審查，是不是可以用這樣子的方式去做？","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-06-04T13:38:58.434000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:39:02.077000+08:00","text":"這個之前已經一直在講了，我想知道現在你們是不是可以支持呢？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T13:39:03.738000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:39:15.528000+08:00","text":"當然每個項目會遇到的經費問題都不太一樣，後續在黃金計畫這邊，我們會麻煩國訓中心在審查每一個計畫的精準度可以更加的高……","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-06-04T13:39:15.968000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:39:19.271000+08:00","text":"因為之前好像已經在做了，我想要知道大概什麼時候可以完成啦。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T13:39:20.219000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:39:34.810000+08:00","text":"因為明年才完成一到四級，我想應該可以同步在明年一併完成各個項目的需求部分，當然我們也希望在國訓中心開的委員會裡面去了解每一位選手……","quality":0.984},{"speaker":"張委員雅琳","start":"2026-06-04T13:39:35.490000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:39:47.759000+08:00","text":"我打斷一下，因為我知道6月競技運動司其實已經有討論，如果現在還不明確的話，是不是會後我們約個時間，請國訓中心及競技司一起來討論大概什麼時候可以執行，好不好？","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T13:39:48.139000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:39:48.440000+08:00","text":"可以，謝謝委員。謝謝。謝謝。請坐。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-04T13:39:48.940000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T13:39:53.511429+08:00","text":"下一位鍾佳濱、鍾佳濱，鍾佳濱委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-04T13:39:53.811429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T13:39:57.525714+08:00","text":"盧縣一、盧縣一，盧縣一委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-04T13:39:57.825714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T13:39:59.254286+08:00","text":"葉元之委員。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}