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謝謝委員好 謝謝謝謝委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:40:08.290000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:40:08.411000+08:00","text":"主席好。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:40:08.592000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:40:09.095000+08:00","text":"麻煩請運動部部長。部長。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T13:40:15.690000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:40:15.990000+08:00","text":"委員，您好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:40:16.550000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:40:17.030000+08:00","text":"部長，您好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:40:18.470000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:40:27.772000+08:00","text":"因為比較少能夠在委員會見到部長，部長常常不來，上一次我們討論國民體育法，你也不來，請次長來。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:40:28.172000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:40:34.233000+08:00","text":"很多事情我們問次長，次長不知道是沒有得到授權還是怎麼樣，都回答得很模稜兩可，也沒有辦法給個精準答案。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:40:36.253000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:40:52.019000+08:00","text":"上次次長說因為國民體育法是他督導的，所以是他來，但是別的委員會都沒這個問題，別的委員會不管討論什麼法案、哪一個次長管的，部長也都會來，所以我不知道是李洋部長特別忙，還是怎麼樣？","quality":0.988},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T13:40:52.179000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:40:58.103000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，確實當天我有跟伍召委請假，因為……","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:40:58.103000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:41:02.166000+08:00","text":"你們是同黨的，當然會放你的假，但你是特別忙碌還是怎麼樣？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:41:02.366000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:41:07.529000+08:00","text":"都不願意來立法院備詢，其實這失去很多大家可以跟你良性溝通的機會啦！","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T13:41:08.470000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:41:15.494000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，如果召委這邊有請我的話，羅召委請我的話，我幾乎都有來到這邊。","quality":0.844},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:41:15.754000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:41:21.418000+08:00","text":"不能說羅召委是國民黨的，請你，你來，民進黨的你就不來，你是看不起民進黨的召委喔？","quality":0.829},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T13:41:21.418000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T13:41:23.699000+08:00","text":"我是說……","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:41:23.699000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:41:26.981000+08:00","text":"你來這邊，其實大家都良性溝通嘛，有什麼問題就向您請教嘛！","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:41:27.722000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:41:29.663000+08:00","text":"因為大家私下也沒什麼機會可以溝通，對不對？","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T13:41:30.984000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:41:37.161000+08:00","text":"委員，您有找我的話，我可以私下跟您拜會。好啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:41:37.821000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:41:48.167000+08:00","text":"我還是想關心一下體育班的問題，因為體育班的問題已經非常多年了，我先說，我的主張不是要廢體育班，我的主張並不是要廢體育班！","quality":0.945},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:41:48.848000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:41:49.188000+08:00","text":"為什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:41:50.008000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:41:59.794000+08:00","text":"其實大家想要解決的是那些在體育班的學生學習的問題，就是一些學業的問題，如果可以兼顧的話，我們不一定要廢體育班。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:42:00.614000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:42:31.290000+08:00","text":"就像在教育現場有一些比如說藝才班、技藝班，技藝班可能是學烹飪、可能是學其他技藝的，又包括其他很多類的班級，他們也會在教育現場抽離出來去做一些其他的訓練，可是就沒有人會呼籲是不是要廢藝才班、是不是要廢技藝班，所以我們討論這個議題其實想要解決的是體育班學生學習的問題。","quality":0.911},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:42:32.571000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:42:44.318000+08:00","text":"這個問題那麼久了，我是非常高興看到李洋部長願意面對這個問題，可能您是運動員出身的，你想要去面對這個問題，可是實際上我們看到它好幾年了。","quality":0.984},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:42:46.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:42:55.831000+08:00","text":"我秀一個好幾年前一個教練在網路上面很難過的一則po文，他說：我球隊最好的孩子今天難過到哭了！","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:42:56.091000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:42:56.331000+08:00","text":"為什麼呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:42:57.292000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:43:18.004000+08:00","text":"他本來是國小體育班的教練，結果他的學生、一個很棒的球員報了國中體育班，也考試了，還是榜首錄取，但是後來家長沒去報到，因為家長說不想讓學生影響到學習，其實這也讓我們失去了一個也許未來很好的運動員，因為他沒有加入體育班！","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:43:18.884000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:43:30.197000+08:00","text":"我是不曉得部長現在的方向到底是什麼，因為您開始關心這個議題，可是再問您，就說已經委託師大去做研究，但師大到底在做什麼研究？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:43:30.758000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:43:32.879000+08:00","text":"研究的方向到底是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:43:33.139000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:43:35.040000+08:00","text":"研究的方式是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:43:35.221000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:43:43.246000+08:00","text":"是去跟學生、還是校長、還是體育班的教練溝通？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:43:44.246000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:43:45.087000+08:00","text":"還是怎麼樣？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:43:45.087000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:43:46.669000+08:00","text":"這個研究案到底有什麼代表性？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:43:47.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:43:51.294000+08:00","text":"它是可以影響部長或教育部的決策？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:43:51.875000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:43:55.319000+08:00","text":"還是這個研究案只是一個拖延的話術？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:43:56.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:43:58.422000+08:00","text":"我不知道部長您現在的方向到底是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T13:43:59.303000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:44:12.630000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，首先在體育班這個議題，謝謝委員您非常重視我們的學生運動員的教育，在這點上面，我身為學生運動員到後來的競技選手，我想我們肯定非常重視的就是教育正常化這件事情。","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T13:44:13.931000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:44:16.212000+08:00","text":"我們委託師大是去做調查，還有去各個……","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:44:17.072000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:44:17.232000+08:00","text":"調查對象是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T13:44:18.533000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:44:27.299000+08:00","text":"就是剛剛講的體育班、專任運動教練，然後去開座談會，去了解他們的需求以及現行遇到的狀況，希望能夠去跟社會溝通這件事。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:44:27.740000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:44:32.143000+08:00","text":"所以如果最後這個研究案做出來的研究結果是建議廢體育班，你就會廢體育班是不是？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T13:44:32.283000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:44:32.523000+08:00","text":"委員，是調查案！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:44:35.985000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:44:36.366000+08:00","text":"調查案，對嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:44:36.786000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:44:40.890000+08:00","text":"所以現在是會根據這個調查案做為你的政策依據？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T13:44:40.890000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:44:41.550000+08:00","text":"一個參考。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:44:41.691000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:44:44.393000+08:00","text":"所以你要先等參考出來，再來決定後面要怎麼做？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T13:44:44.753000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:44:45.134000+08:00","text":"因為畢竟……","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:44:46.014000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:44:52.340000+08:00","text":"部長，不好意思，我必須不客氣講了，我覺得這個就在拖延，因為其實有很多問題現在就可以解決，你現在就可以解決！","quality":0.83},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:44:54.854000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:45:12.146000+08:00","text":"譬如說那些體育班的學生也許要花非常多時間在訓練跟比賽，因為比賽時間很長，例如以田徑來講，國小的田徑賽在5月，全中運在4月中到4月底，還有各種各單項協會。","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:45:12.146000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:45:30.341000+08:00","text":"他們因為要選拔青年國手因此要配合比賽的時間，所以可能有一些在體育班的學生是一整年很長的時間都在訓練跟比賽，或者像國中的籃球聯賽，也是上下學期都有。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:45:31.162000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:45:37.649000+08:00","text":"所以現在的問題是他們要不斷去比賽、不斷訓練，才會影響到他的上課時間。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:45:39.252000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:45:56.830000+08:00","text":"我的了解是其實現在很多體育班的老師跟教練還滿重視學生的學習，甚至於比賽可能要在外面住宿，在住宿時，教練都會說是不是把作業拿出來寫，他們儘量要兼顧，可是因為比賽時間太長了，所以才會造成這個狀況。","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:45:58.211000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:46:23.670000+08:00","text":"比賽時間太長，他們每一個比賽都要去參加，其實還有一個根本的原因，就是我們國家對於各項運動賽事非常重視名次，我舉個例來講，比如說亞運或者是世大運，像日本可能就是派社會隊去，可是臺灣就一定會派國家代表隊，有一些賽事就是這樣，因為我們一定要拿名次。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:46:24.731000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:46:41.690000+08:00","text":"因為要拿名次，我們對於體育班教練還有績效考核，三年考核一次，看他的成績，他為了要呈現自己有績效，就不斷帶小朋友去比賽，因為這樣才會有績效，所以這個是非常非常環環相扣的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:46:42.370000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:46:51.393000+08:00","text":"今天要解決體育班的問題，不是只有存跟廢這麼簡單，其實你現在就可以做一些事情，可以讓教育正常化。","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:46:52.053000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:47:03.157000+08:00","text":"就像我剛剛講的，你要訂出我們的運動戰略，是不是每一級比賽都一定要全部派國家代表隊？","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:47:03.417000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:47:17.904000+08:00","text":"第二個，對於教練的績效考核是不是一定……他已經很努力，但是為了怕被你們解聘，所以他就會一直不斷去比賽，這樣子循環的結果，當然會讓那些學生沒有辦法學習。","quality":0.985},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:47:18.084000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:47:26.848000+08:00","text":"你如果不解決這個問題，今天即便是廢掉體育班，讓那些學生去正常班級學習，可是他還是要一直去比賽，一樣的狀況嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:47:27.328000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:47:33.472000+08:00","text":"所以關鍵不是在於體育班要廢、不要廢，關鍵是運動部怎麼看待我剛剛講的那些事情，部長。","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T13:47:35.053000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:47:40.517000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，謝謝您看到我們體育班的很多問題，其實都講得非常精闢。","quality":0.759},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T13:47:41.238000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:48:16.788000+08:00","text":"在這點上面，我們同時也看到像剛剛您提到的不論是體育班的評鑑，還是專任運動教練的考核的問題，所以在今年的專任運動教練考核，我們將國小、國中、高中原本的競技運動成績考核制度由35、55、75下修為20、40、60，希望讓教練的競技運動成績影響考核不要那麼大，這樣才可以讓學生運動員更加多元發展，而且不要像委員您講的一直在參加比賽，避免這樣的原因影響到他們的課業。","quality":0.763},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T13:48:18.009000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:48:45.351000+08:00","text":"當然，同時我們也跟各個特定體育團體說明，是否能夠將比賽儘量辦在假日，不用每一次都辦一個禮拜，然後一個禮拜之後影響到課業，當課業影響到的時候，下個禮拜又補不了，所以課業就變成是基層教練以及基層老師一直以來很艱難的課題，同時也是家長跟學生運動員的困擾。","quality":0.904},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T13:48:45.351000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:48:57.238000+08:00","text":"就如同委員您剛剛提出的那一頁，確實家長可能會希望讓學生運動員應該要能夠好好讀書，但現行體育班可能很難好好讀書。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T13:48:57.859000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:49:29.238000+08:00","text":"所以我想在這件事情上面，如果我們運動部現在能做的，確實我們也都有在做，不敢說馬上可以符合委員您的期待，但真的我們希望可以讓學生運動員，包含我自己就是讀了8年的體育班，我非常感謝當時的基層老師跟教練，他們非常努力讓我們在課業上可以儘量跟上，雖然不敢保證跟一般學生一樣學業這麼正常，但我們也是儘量學習。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T13:49:30.279000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:49:43.967000+08:00","text":"現在身為部長，我當然也希望未來的學生運動員，我們培養的這些未來有可能成為頂尖的競技運動員，在訓練跟學業真的能夠好好並行。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:49:44.788000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:49:53.794000+08:00","text":"部長，就像您說的，其實我覺得關鍵不是在要不要廢體育班，你們請師大研究的題目是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T13:49:54.375000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:49:56.716000+08:00","text":"我們是轉型或者是2.0……","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:49:58.438000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:50:01.360000+08:00","text":"你的研究案題目和研究的問題是什麼？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T13:50:01.360000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:50:02.340000+08:00","text":"體育班轉型計畫。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:50:02.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:50:11.483000+08:00","text":"體育班轉型計畫，不是體育班的調整計畫而是轉型，你要把體育班轉型成什麼？","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T13:50:13.744000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:50:20.429000+08:00","text":"就我們來說，現在有編一筆預算，如果是在週一到週五有參加比賽的話，我們會補助給體育班……","quality":0.816},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:50:20.829000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:50:25.553000+08:00","text":"你說的體育班轉型計畫，是指體育班還存在的情況之下……","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T13:50:25.553000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T13:50:26.553000+08:00","text":"可能會優化。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:50:26.373000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:50:27.314000+08:00","text":"怎麼優化體育班是不是？對。","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:50:27.854000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:50:30.276000+08:00","text":"所以它不是存、廢的問題？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T13:50:30.276000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:50:31.016000+08:00","text":"對，不是。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:50:31.917000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:50:46.823000+08:00","text":"那你要講清楚，之前就有前民進黨政務委員講說要廢除體育班之類的，你們也講已經有委託師大進行研議，不是嘛，你們進行的研議是如何優化體育班嘛！","quality":0.873},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T13:50:46.823000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T13:50:47.823000+08:00","text":"對，優化整個狀況。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:50:47.343000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:50:51.145000+08:00","text":"所以體育班其實還會存在，要怎麼讓體育班更好嘛！","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:50:52.225000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:50:56.889000+08:00","text":"這個部分你不能等師大研究出來才要做，你一直要做啦！","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T13:50:56.889000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T13:50:57.889000+08:00","text":"對，我們有同步……","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:50:57.770000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:50:58.891000+08:00","text":"一直要做啦，好不好？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:50:59.171000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:51:04.476000+08:00","text":"我覺得體育班要朝向優化課業與體育運動兼顧這個方向。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:51:05.917000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:51:31.138000+08:00","text":"另外再問一下，剛剛也蠻多委員在關注的女足亞洲盃議題，因為昨天工會有po文，我早上看到部長及運動部相關人士出來幫女足回答，包括沒有隊醫是很正常的狀況，或一些其他的回答，但是我並不是很滿意，因為我覺得足協就是有問題。","quality":0.806},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:51:32.099000+08:0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55:56.115000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:55:58.577000+08:00","text":"給我們一個報告，需要多少時間？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T13:56:04.499000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:56:04.499000+08:00","text":"兩個禮拜。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:56:04.499000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T13:56:05.499000+08:00","text":"兩個禮拜OK，謝謝部長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T13:56:05.499000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T13:56:06.499000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:56:05.239000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:56:06.479000+08:00","text":"謝謝部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:56:06.479000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:56:11.581000+08:00","text":"最後請主席再給我兩分鐘，我關心一下籃球的問題。","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:56:12.121000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:56:24.085000+08:00","text":"因為辜公怡剛當選籃協的理事長，他有一個很重要的政見就是希望職籃合併。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:56:26.068000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:56:29.291000+08:00","text":"不知道部長認為職籃合併這個議題對於職籃發展重不重要？","quality":0.76},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T13:56:29.792000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:56:37.218000+08:00","text":"我個人認為如果職籃能夠合併的話，肯定對臺灣的職籃發展是有助益的。","quality":0.767},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:56:37.358000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:57:01.705000+08:00","text":"對，我的看法跟您一樣，不過不曉得這個政見是不是喊一喊而已，而且我們也希望運動部可以積極的跟他們一起幫助職籃合併，因為他才剛講完政見不久PLG聯盟就馬上辦選秀，大家當然知道如果有合併意願的話，其實不用那麼急著辦選秀，所以合併是不是只是隨便講講？","quality":0.858},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:57:02.185000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:57:03.106000+08:00","text":"請部長可以了解一下。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:57:03.807000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:57:17.438000+08:00","text":"相信部長也非常清楚臺灣的職籃，2020年剛開始有PLG聯盟、2021年又成立T1，本來2024年有一個合併的曙光，不過後來談判告終又沒有了。","quality":0.673},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:57:19.260000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:57:44.108000+08:00","text":"我特別看了一些數據，其實合併真的對職籃的發展有比較正面的幫助，比如第一個，不會進行惡性競爭，當然兩個聯盟在挖球員會高價競爭，這個沒有錯，問題是連球員經紀公司都說這樣的薪資飆高是短線過熱的行情，對於長遠的發展其實不利。","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:57:44.789000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:57:56.175000+08:00","text":"所以兩個聯盟的惡性競爭可能會導致長遠發展的不利結果，連球員經紀公司都這麼講，球員經紀公司都靠球員的薪水抽成，連他們自己都這麼認為。","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:57:57.015000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:58:38.409000+08:00","text":"第二個，我們可以看球迷的進場人數，依照兩個聯盟2023到2024的球季及2024到2025的球季統計，PLG的球迷數就呈現下滑；T1維持但也沒有很明顯的成長，當然兩個聯盟因為隊數有限，一個4隊、一個6隊，所以他們對戰的組合就比較單一、簡單，如果可以合併，不管是9、10、11、12隊也好，至少它的對戰組合會比較豐富，部長既然認為合併會比較好的話，是不是可以去了解一下？","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"葉委員元之","start":"2026-06-04T13:58:38.609000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:58:40.449000+08:00","text":"看可以怎麼樣一起促成這件事情。謝謝。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T13:58:40.769000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:58:41.190000+08:00","text":"可以，謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-04T13:58:41.310000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-04T13:58:41.310000+08:00","text":"謝謝葉元之委員、謝謝部長。","quality":0.364},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-04T13:58:41.810000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T13:58:53.238571+08:00","text":"關於足協還有女足權益的相關資料，麻煩部長於剛剛您承諾的兩個禮拜內提供給所有委員各1份。","quality":0.05},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-04T13:58:53.538571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T13:59:05.538571+08:00","text":"有蠻多足協的問題不斷在網路上討論，女足也有一些窗口向我們不斷反映，也希望運動部一定要重視。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-04T13:59:05.838571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T13:59:30.410000+08:00","text":"另外，建議運動部關於職籃合併的議題，剛剛葉委員有提到曾經露出曙光，當時雙方在談的過程中可能有一些差距，運動部是不是能夠協助讓這個差距縮短甚至幫忙促成，這個部分是不是也能夠有相關的評估？","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-04T13:59:30.710000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T13:59:38.995714+08:00","text":"例如實際要怎麼幫忙，希望會後能夠提供一些資料讓我們知道，可以嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-04T13:59:39.295714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T13:59:42.152857+08:00","text":"我們先去了解一下職籃。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-04T13:59:42.452857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T13:59:44.738571+08:00","text":"先去了解一下，好嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-04T13:59:45.038571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T13:59:46.752857+08:00","text":"再麻煩你，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-04T13:59:47.052857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T13:59:51.338571+08:00","text":"接下來是翁曉玲、翁曉玲，翁曉玲不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-04T13:59:51.638571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T13:59:54.781429+08:00","text":"萬美玲、萬美玲，萬美玲不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-04T13:59:55.081429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T14:00:00.510000+08:00","text":"今天登記質詢之委員均已發言完畢，詢答結束。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-04T14:00:00.810000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-04T14:00:13.952857+08:00","text":"另有傅崐萁、鍾佳濱、徐欣瑩、翁曉玲、萬美玲及林倩綺委員提出書面質詢，列入公報紀錄，並請相關機關以書面答復。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}