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謝謝陳委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-06-08T09:29:15.336000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:29:16.876000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，有請鄭部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-08T09:29:17.056000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:29:22.217000+08:00","text":"有請鄭部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T09:29:22.217000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-08T09:29:23.217000+08:00","text":"委員早。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-06-08T09:29:22.617000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:29:22.717000+08:00","text":"部長早。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-06-08T09:29:23.157000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:29:48.082000+08:00","text":"部長，民眾黨已經提出毒駕修法的版本，我們也很樂見法務部跟我們的方向大概是一致的，一方面就是刑度的提高，另一方面就是沒收交通工具，因為沒收交通工具至少可以阻嚇他們再度上路，甚至當場就不能再繼續開，然後再度上路的機會也降低。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-06-08T09:29:48.602000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:29:54.223000+08:00","text":"但是我想先請教部長，您預計大概提高的刑度，可不可以簡單講？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-06-08T09:29:54.223000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:30:01.365000+08:00","text":"就是說毒駕致死或重傷，您預計提高的刑度大概是什麼情況？","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T09:30:01.365000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:30:09.759000+08:00","text":"現在毒駕跟酒駕，我們要脫鉤處理。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-06-08T09:30:09.759000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-08T09:30:11.460000+08:00","text":"好，脫鉤處理。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T09:30:11.460000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:30:13.923000+08:00","text":"毒駕整個抽出來另外再做一個修正……","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-06-08T09:30:13.923000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:30:15.064000+08:00","text":"目前還沒有預定的刑度？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T09:30:16.906000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:30:18.007000+08:00","text":"關於預定刑度，我們有修正草案。好。","quality":0.643},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T09:30:20.009000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:30:23.652000+08:00","text":"單純毒駕本來是3年以下……","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-06-08T09:30:23.852000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:30:24.713000+08:00","text":"你講新的就可以了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T09:30:25.094000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:30:27.436000+08:00","text":"我們現在希望能夠提高在5年以下。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-06-08T09:30:27.436000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-08T09:30:30.158000+08:00","text":"然後毒駕……","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T09:30:30.158000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:30:38.142000+08:00","text":"駕車致重傷本來是1年以上7年以下，現在會提到3年以上10年以下，重傷的那部分。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-06-08T09:30:38.422000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:30:38.782000+08:00","text":"致死的？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T09:30:39.102000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:30:48.127000+08:00","text":"致死這部分原來是3年以上10年以下，我們預計修正草案是5年以上12年以下，併科300萬罰金。好。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T09:30:49.247000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:30:54.830000+08:00","text":"另外，還有以前有毒駕前科，10年內再犯……","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-06-08T09:30:54.830000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-08T09:30:57.992000+08:00","text":"再犯的部分也加重，好，理解。","quality":0.273},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T09:30:57.992000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:31:02.594000+08:00","text":"再犯致重傷的是5年以上12年以下，萬一致死就是無期徒刑。","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-06-08T09:31:03.935000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:31:07.637000+08:00","text":"好，我了解，謝謝部長，但還是比民眾提出的版本還低。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-06-08T09:31:08.557000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:31:20.002000+08:00","text":"法務部報告裡面其實有三大終極目標，你剛剛只有3分鐘時間可以報告，其中有一個就是溯源斷根，也就是斬斷毒品的供應鏈，這個我給予肯定，部長，你說我很難得稱讚你。","quality":0.884},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-06-08T09:31:21.242000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:31:31.264000+08:00","text":"李家同教授近日也寫文章指出，政府當然不能只管毒駕的部分，而是應該澈底了解到底毒品從哪裡來！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-06-08T09:31:31.264000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:31:37.885000+08:00","text":"他覺得政府有絕對的責任告訴民眾到底這些毒品的來源是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-06-08T09:31:37.885000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:31:52.748000+08:00","text":"而且臺灣政府引以為榮的大數據分析，他認為應該利用這個大數據分析去想哪些人是高風險的吸毒者，就是哪些人容易去吸毒，以及是誰在販售呢？","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-06-08T09:31:53.628000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:31:57.609000+08:00","text":"從源頭阻斷永遠比事後處罰有效！","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-06-08T09:31:58.169000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:32:04.991000+08:00","text":"所以我想請教部長，你們現在的溯源是只追查依托咪酯的原料嗎？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-06-08T09:32:05.071000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:32:08.192000+08:00","text":"就是依托咪酯酸的供應鏈嗎？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-06-08T09:32:08.192000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:32:08.852000+08:00","text":"是這樣嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-06-08T09:32:08.852000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:32:13.696000+08:00","text":"那你打算如何斷掉、斷絕這些違法進口的原料和毒品呢？","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-06-08T09:32:14.296000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:32:16.698000+08:00","text":"現在初步的做法是怎麼樣？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T09:32:16.698000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:32:21.501000+08:00","text":"我想委員是提出一個正確的方向，的確……是嗎？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T09:32:23.322000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:32:24.843000+08:00","text":"毒品一定有先驅原料……","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-06-08T09:32:25.804000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:32:28.185000+08:00","text":"麻煩部長簡單回答，你的對象是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-06-08T09:32:28.185000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:32:28.646000+08:00","text":"是依托咪酯？","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-06-08T09:32:28.646000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-08T09:32:30.827000+08:00","text":"還是依托咪酯酸？","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T09:32:30.827000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:32:41.935000+08:00","text":"針對依托咪酯酸跟依托咪酯，在6月17號我們就會將依托咪酯酸提到毒審會列為管制物品，另外，依托咪酯這部分要提高為一級……","quality":0.529},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-06-08T09:32:42.255000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:32:44.296000+08:00","text":"部長，我簡單問一句話，你有信心嗎？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-06-08T09:32:44.536000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:32:44.697000+08:00","text":"就是從源頭管制斷絕有信心嗎？","quality":0.615},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T09:32:44.697000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:32:44.877000+08:00","text":"這部分我們全力以赴！","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T09:32:44.897000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:32:46.358000+08:00","text":"我們六大系統現在全力追緝新興毒品依托咪酯類專案查緝中，5月25號到6月底是專案查緝。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-06-08T09:33:03.289000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:33:15.513000+08:00","text":"部長，我們來看一下電子煙，其實2023是全面禁止，你看這個圖，但是在網路上我只要輸入5個字「電子煙商店」這幾個關鍵字，馬上就可以網購了，我就買得到！","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-06-08T09:33:16.513000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:33:28.477000+08:00","text":"法務部在報告裡面有說要跨部會合作，這個當然是一定要這樣做，要有完善多元的毒品防制做法，但是法務部跟數發部的合作結果，你看看，我打這5個字就買得到了！","quality":0.821},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T09:33:30.358000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:33:46.606000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，因為電子煙是當作施用新興毒品，尤其是依托咪酯類的載具，這部分的管制是屬於菸害防制法，對於這部分，我想衛福部是有修法的規劃。","quality":0.77},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-06-08T09:33:46.606000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-08T09:33:47.606000+08:00","text":"衛福部？","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-06-08T09:33:47.606000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-08T09:33:48.606000+08:00","text":"好，現在就很多部門可以……","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T09:33:46.606000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:33:48.067000+08:00","text":"因為這是源頭的部分。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-06-08T09:33:48.407000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:33:49.848000+08:00","text":"我不能說推，但就是跨部會的合作。","quality":0.643},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T09:33:49.848000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-08T09:33:53.390000+08:00","text":"這不是推，因為這各有權責。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-06-08T09:33:53.390000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:34:06.120000+08:00","text":"我再繼續講，當然數發部責任也很大，還有衛福部，電子煙現在被利用為依托咪酯的吸食工具，就是被利用為使用新興毒品的載具，非常方便，比起以前的打針、鼻吸還方便！","quality":0.797},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-06-08T09:34:06.841000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:34:18.090000+08:00","text":"如果不嚴格查緝，今天有喪屍煙彈，以後會有其他的毒品煙彈，所以請問法務部、衛福部或是數發部，這個網站什麼時候要下架？","quality":0.922},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-06-08T09:34:19.451000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:34:20.091000+08:00","text":"隨時都買得到啊！","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-06-08T09:34:21.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:34:22.221000+08:00","text":"什麼時候要下架？","quality":1},{"speaker":"魏副署長璽倫","start":"2026-06-08T09:34:24.843000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:34:29.107000+08:00","text":"報告委員，網站的部分其實我們24小時都有在巡邏。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-06-08T09:34:29.107000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:34:32.670000+08:00","text":"現在就有了，你回去座位打打看，看買不買得到！","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"魏副署長璽倫","start":"2026-06-08T09:34:33.311000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:34:38.156000+08:00","text":"現在我們還在跟衛福部合作，用AI比較有效率的方式進行整個雷達掃射。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-06-08T09:34:38.696000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:34:40.298000+08:00","text":"今天大家都在聽。對。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-06-08T09:34:40.838000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:34:45.221000+08:00","text":"包括過去很多食安的問題等等，在網路上買就有了！","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"魏副署長璽倫","start":"2026-06-08T09:34:45.481000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:34:46.822000+08:00","text":"好，在新的修法方面……","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-06-08T09:34:46.842000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:34:47.422000+08:00","text":"毒品更嚴重啊！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"魏副署長璽倫","start":"2026-06-08T09:34:47.562000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:34:50.663000+08:00","text":"我們也會要求網際網路平臺要有一定的責任。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-06-08T09:34:51.403000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:34:55.425000+08:00","text":"好，希望副署長等一下去試試看，看買不買得到？","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-06-08T09:34:56.266000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:34:57.046000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-06-08T09:34:57.206000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:34:58.967000+08:00","text":"部長，麻煩你看一下這幾張圖。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-06-08T09:34:59.767000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:35:35.832000+08:00","text":"現在電子煙的外表真的是推陳出新，讓人眼花撩亂，有被做成手搖杯、愛心吊飾，還會發光發亮，這些外表看來不像傳統的電子煙，很像玩具，一般人看來也沒有什麼警覺性，這就是為什麼我要請法務部特別嚴肅看待電子煙的問題，因為它就入侵校園了，今天教育部也在場，孩子們以為是玩具就拿來吸食，電子煙本來就是禁止的，就算裡面放了尼古丁也是禁止，可是目前被作為新興毒品的載具，這樣孩子就很有機會接觸到這些毒品。","quality":0.892},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-06-08T09:35:36.653000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:35:38.175000+08:00","text":"所以我想請問法務部，你現在掌握到的電子煙型態、態樣，你有掌握到嗎？","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-06-08T09:35:38.175000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:35:38.515000+08:00","text":"你知道有這麼多種、這麼漂亮、這麼可愛嗎？","quality":0.588},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T09:35:46.903000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:35:57.147000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，因為電子煙結合的喪屍煙彈等毒品，當然我們會全力查緝，我們有專案在查緝。","quality":0.784},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T09:35:58.188000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:36:07.952000+08:00","text":"至於市售的部分並不是我法務部權責，但是我們會關注，我們有跨部會、跨機關的合作，我們也是建議權責機關要取締電子煙。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-06-08T09:36:08.413000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:36:10.173000+08:00","text":"要查緝也要有點跟上樣態……","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T09:36:10.173000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-08T09:36:11.173000+08:00","text":"關於查緝的部分，目前……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-06-08T09:36:10.313000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:36:11.174000+08:00","text":"你看看各式各樣的電子煙。","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T09:36:13.975000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:36:20.560000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，目前都是行政裁罰，是行政處罰，現在衛福部研議要把菸害防制法……","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-06-08T09:36:23.002000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:36:24.504000+08:00","text":"對，是不是到毒品危害條例……","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T09:36:24.904000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:36:26.846000+08:00","text":"關於這部分，是不是可以請教衛福部？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T09:36:27.166000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:36:29.788000+08:00","text":"因為這部分是衛福部掌管，我沒辦法幫衛福部回答這個問題。","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-06-08T09:36:29.788000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:36:30.088000+08:00","text":"有關樣態的掌握，可以嗎？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-06-08T09:36:30.088000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:36:37.102000+08:00","text":"副署長，衛福部也要學啊！","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-06-08T09:36:37.382000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:36:41.964000+08:00","text":"外面已經眼花撩亂了，這麼多的產品你們有跟上嗎？","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"魏副署長璽倫","start":"2026-06-08T09:36:41.964000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:36:54.647000+08:00","text":"的確電子煙不是只有樣態，它連在網路上的名稱都非常多元，現在修法上我們會針對持有加重它的行政罰。","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-06-08T09:36:55.847000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:36:58.308000+08:00","text":"你們要跟得上這些變化。是。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-06-08T09:36:58.788000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:37:00.308000+08:00","text":"現在新興毒品就是在變化中。是。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-06-08T09:37:00.388000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:37:35.783000+08:00","text":"我繼續請教部長，根據刑事訴訟法規定，警察必須先問行為人同不同意搜索，同意了，才可以進到他的車子裡面進行所謂的無狀搜索，就是沒有搜索票，但如果行為人拒絕車內被搜索，警方就必須要生出一張搜索票，可是電子煙很小、也很好藏，假設疑似毒駕，要查緝，必須要有搜索這個動作出來，但是在等待合法搜索的期間，毒駕者就有可能落跑。","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-06-08T09:37:37.065000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:37:41.272000+08:00","text":"我想請問一件事，很確定的，如果當場要生出搜索票，時間要多久？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員昭姿","start":"2026-06-08T09:37:45.571000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T09:37:46.771000+08:00","text":"如果他不讓你搜索呢？","quality":1},{"spe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