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謝謝法務部部長再來我要請教衛福部的食品管理署不知道副署長來了沒有還沒有的話那就只好請副署長來"},{"start":376.277,"end":394.066,"text":"部長請回好 再來請教我們衛福部的副組長近年來這個衣托彌子也就是所謂的喪屍煙彈氾濫如果不是立法院從2024年就開始追蹤本來是三級毒品2024年邱正軍委員特別個人提案把它升到二級毒品那現在"},{"start":395.466,"end":405.932,"text":"不能高興但是我們必須要肯定說行政院現在主動想把伊托米子放成一級毒品可見這個危害之列那我想請問是說具體時程是什麼"},{"start":409.109,"end":427.467,"text":"更重要的是說如果未來再出現新的化學結構毒品政府要多久才能完成列管半年 一年還是跟這個一坨米子一樣全台灣各縣市淪陷之後新聞都播了然後衛福部才知道要開始動作"},{"start":428.735,"end":455.977,"text":"報告委員 有關依托彌子的一級毒品的部分大概會就是follow法務部的毒品審議委員會的做一個結果所以還是回到法務部對 因為毒品審議委員會是在那邊老實講 我覺得我們算是公職人員我以前也帶過公家機關所以我知道我們跑公文的速度是其慢無比絕對跟不上毒品研發新品的速度"},{"start":457.337,"end":483.564,"text":"發熱集團更新產品的速度跟手機改版一樣的迅速但是我們政府列款這個毒品的速度有時候常常像等捷運施工一樣漫長老實說等到列管完成的時候市場可能都要下一代了所以我這邊要請問是否目前要建立所謂跨部會毒品的預警機制那如何縮短發現檢驗到正式列管之間的空窗級"},{"start":487.506,"end":514.361,"text":"我想我這問的問題應該蠻務實的吧有關新興毒品這塊列管的話其實法務部在之前的話在他們去年已經有召開過新興毒品的一個篩選機制他那時候法務部去年在114年的時候召開會的時候已經有折承相關部會要叫國外的話就是有關聯合國那邊已經有列管所以最後面還是回到法務部對"},{"start":516.909,"end":540.949,"text":"好 那就希望說因為我時間不夠我還有兩個問題 部長請回部長 請回我後面沒有問完的問題我都要求書面報告回來答案而且我也要求說三個月內提出版本六個月內提出工作績效出來因為這件事情全國都在看我們今天在場錄影的時候也證明說全國都很關心這個疫情"},{"start":541.569,"end":563.43,"text":"請注意,既然還是法務部為主軸的話,請不要讓大家覺得政府永遠都跟著毒販在跑,永遠都追不上再來我想請教教育部,教育部的代表應該是學前教育署的副組長"},{"start":575.701,"end":584.728,"text":"我們還是得談因為教育部主管年輕學子那毒品人口年輕化其實是很嚴重的"},{"start":585.729,"end":600.727,"text":"以前大家覺得毒品離校園很遠但是現在透過電子菸載具新興毒品離教室可能只有一個抽屜的距離我甚至有聽說過最小的國小就已經開始使用電子菸甚至裡面還有一坨糜子"},{"start":601.588,"end":625.454,"text":"那我想請問教育部目前校園反毒工作到底是在預防學生接觸毒品還是在學生出事之後才開始輔導那近三年未成年涉毒案件有多少學生首次接觸毒品的平均年齡是否持續下降那教育部已經掌握多少電子菸夾帶毒品進入校園的案例"},{"start":627.436,"end":647.561,"text":"各位委員報告教育部目前的部分是從防治教育著手希望能夠從教育部分還有宣導能夠來全力提升學生對毒品的一個防患的意識還有老師的一個知能那目前在毒品的一個部分我們的這個掌握這個在未成年的部分大概"},{"start":648.701,"end":667.287,"text":"目前是透過這個電子醫院的載具確實是有一些量進到校園那這個數據我們在掌握的一個部分大概在毒品的大概有在高中以下大概是200案的一個部分只有200嗎對 高中以下的那個屬於是毒品的部分那電子醫院是比較多"},{"start":668.547,"end":690.075,"text":"現在最新的狀況就是警方已經逐漸使用所謂的唾液篩檢工具那校園端有沒有類似新興毒品的辨識機制呢老實說如果連老師都不知道說學生吸的是什麼那你要如何及早發現那如果連辨識工具都不足你又怎麼防堵毒品進校園"},{"start":691.431,"end":704.251,"text":"跟委員報告所以教育部也引進就是目前所採用的這個快篩破譯的快篩試劑希望能夠及早能夠來發現學生已是有這個吸毒品的情形可以及早來做相關的輔導跟協助"},{"start":707.423,"end":732.453,"text":"老實講我們每年每一季都會看到有所謂的反讀教育可是老實講反讀教育如果說真的以反讀教育的成果來講的話其實蠻令人失望的蠻令人灰心的反讀教育不能只剩下宣傳海報跟反讀週活動否則學生對毒品最深刻的認知呢可能最後來自社群媒體而不是來自學校的教育對吧"},{"start":733.786,"end":759.652,"text":"跟委員報告我們也從課程中在健康與體育的課程中也有這個相關的一個教育那另外我們也全面的入班的宣導那搭配就是其他的一個活動的一個行銷跟宣傳來讓學生能夠全面的了解我們繼續以你們現在的可以跟我所以說我需要書面報告報告回應之外我還需要說三個月內提出新的版本六個月內我需要看到這個看到績效"},{"start":760.672,"end":776.292,"text":"我這樣講的很輕鬆事情但是事實上來講對於全民這是一個有能的沒有失能的政府應該做出的態度好 謝謝教育部請回那在接下來我們就來談一個比較頭痛的事情"},{"start":777.353,"end":797.807,"text":"全國都知道電子煙是違法的全國都知道電子煙是違法的電子煙你也禁了三年但是為什麼還到處買得到那這邊可能要請衛福部、速發部跟警政署上台不好意思我問久一點不好意思"},{"start":800.562,"end":823.425,"text":"我不知道這個該是誰來回答不過我們驗定止言修法禁止已經到三年了但是民眾的疑問其實很簡單如果真的禁了為什麼到處都看得到走進校園桌邊看得到打開社群平台找得到加入族群買得到甚至比某些合法商品還容易取得請問這叫全面禁止還叫全面都看得到"},{"start":824.988,"end":851.958,"text":"報告委員的確在電子菸是禁止的沒有錯但是因為我們在整個法制上可能少了一個步驟就是持有必須要入法但是我們現在從源頭到流通到後面的查處其實大概一連貫都會跟各部會再合作那這樣子的話我想請問衛福部截至目前查獲多少案件裁罰多少件裁罰後是否有效的降低市場的流通"},{"start":853.198,"end":881.37,"text":"我們包括從現場實地查核還有一些網路查核我們大概罰了9.2億元左右了幾件不是說我要反罰多少件10788件可是到現在大家覺得好像電子菸越來越普遍甚至很多人已經開始把電子菸跟加熱菸搞混了我就覺得說我們的衛福部在這邊如果不再不盡點力的話老實說是有點辜負全民的期待的"},{"start":881.974,"end":899.586,"text":"再來請教速發部跟警政署現在電子煙交易大量透過Instagram Facebook跟Telegram還有LINE群組來進行那請問一下我們政府是不是有主動的巡查機制有沒有關鍵字檢測機制有沒有跨平台下架機制"},{"start":901.755,"end":926.608,"text":"法務委員我是速發部速產署我們原則上都有跟衛福部來做一個聯訪我們有個聯訪平台所以現在是衛福部的問題衛福部又退到法務部沒有 這個我們有依照衛福部給我們的關鍵字做一個網路的一個巡查那在過去我們都有配合衛福部提供的一些相關的關鍵字然後包含網路平台的巡查以及網站的一個關鍵字的一個巡查都有"},{"start":927.645,"end":941.378,"text":"有沒有下架機制?有下架過嗎?有,我們有一個DNSRP的機制有下架下架了幾件?那現在是不是越來越猖狂?以毒品和電子菸來講分別是6000多件,14年到15年6000多件跟25000件如果針對一坨米紙呢?"},{"start":945.11,"end":967.003,"text":"針對依托彌子下架幾件?那你們下架之後是不是實質上有惡主現在?煙毒的話就是包含依托彌子大概是6666件14年到現在那現在6666件那現在為什麼說我們現在每一天都會聽到一個獨家案件而且每一天都要獨家案件都是有人受傷或有人會有人致死的情況發生那請問你們覺得"},{"start":968.104,"end":982.794,"text":"他們最後出來的東西都是說我們從網路上拿到的不只是我剛剛講的Facebook跟Line甚至還有Thread現在我知道也淪陷了那我想請問一下你們6600多件你們覺得這樣成效是很好的嗎"},{"start":983.898,"end":1003.693,"text":"我們這個都有在持續在加強在搜索比如說像從這個月六月開始到現在我們也下架了大概兩百多件配合跟衛福部國健署一起合作我會認為說我們不是只要知道你們下架幾件我們實質上要看到說這些東西越來越少讓人家拿到好謝謝您"},{"start":1006.194,"end":1026.479,"text":"老實講這個毒品這件事情其實已經不是單一部會的責任了最近一天到晚就是有人受傷受重傷或出人命然後上了新聞然後我們現在政府才慢慢想補破網那剛剛我們也知道法務部法務部的速度可能不夠快可能有很多法規上的限制衛福部說法務部速發部說衛福部說法務部"},{"start":1028.393,"end":1056.681,"text":"我覺得這個如果沒有一個跨部會 行政院如果不跳出來來統整法務部 衛福部 速發部 交通部 教育部 海巡署各單位從源頭查緝 邊境阻絕 電子煙查緝 校園防治 防毒教育到戒癮治療 到獨駕執法的話你沒有建立這完整的防治體系 對不起我覺得依托民子搞不好是我們除了詐騙之外 可能最新的國民的擔憂那這一件事情 老實講"},{"start":1058.735,"end":1079.442,"text":"政府則無旁貸我們都知道我不太希望再聽到什麼國家對什麼抗毒國家對防毒國家我希望聽到你們向毒品宣戰向喪屍煙彈宣戰因為現在已經全民都現在全國全縣市都淪陷了而且受傷的人不是只有單純的無辜的人連執法人員都受傷的時候其實這件事已經非常嚴重"},{"start":1080.462,"end":1091.539,"text":"當政府高喊獨駕零容忍的時候我覺得現在全民都覺得這只是個口號真正的零容忍不是只有家動行則而是要讓毒品進不來 流不動 藏不住更上不了路吧"},{"start":1092.819,"end":1117.596,"text":"所以如果說沒有一個跨部會的機制我剛剛講一個月專案報告我剛剛提出來的東西我想現在都有在記錄我希望一個月內就我剛剛回答所有問題的仔細專案報告三個月內要出來版本六個月內要出來要出來成效不然全民的信任就在這次的伊托米茲事件裡面對政府蕩然無存而且這個不是單純這不是黨派的問題這是政府到底是不是失能的問題好 以上 謝謝"},{"start":1121.997,"end":1122.598,"text":"好 謝謝林委員"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}