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妳講的是針對獨的這件事情多一個輔助的工具但是人沒有變多錢也沒有變多所以本席在這邊建議教育部應該同步檢討國中學務人力的配合"},{"start":1209.548,"end":1235.522,"text":"配置讓國中可以比較高中值至少每六班增加一名學務或相關資源人員的一個方向現在學校要處理的問題太多啦社會太多的問題那整個學校的網絡還沒有準備好就要去因應社會需要學校來處理這個問題所以你們真的應該全面來處理跟檢討學校人力還有資源相關的一個配置不是只有東西丟下去然後大家就"},{"start":1236.002,"end":1250.825,"text":"自然而然就會了或自然而然就能做了我想這個部分對大家的負擔都非常多所以是不是可以請你們再評估一下拓益快篩特定人員的追蹤那學府相關的這個單位要負擔多少"},{"start":1251.286,"end":1276.958,"text":"工作的這個增加另外呢那麼國中學務人力的配置希望比照溝通值那最後反讀的責任不能都壓在教師身上那請教育部要針對這整體的系統去做一個處理跟檢討好嗎謝謝好謝謝謝謝委員不好意思最後呢相關的這個報告可在兩個月之內精進的報告兩個月之內送到本席的辦公室研究室好不好好謝謝好的謝謝"},{"start":1279.588,"end":1280.009,"text":"好謝謝林建傑委員的報告那接下來要說明接下來我們"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-08T10:01:03.884000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:01:09.550000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席翁召委今天排了這樣的主題與質詢。","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-08T10:01:09.550000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:01:17.357000+08:00","text":"先請法務部部長及衛福部副署長。","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-08T10:01:17.357000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:01:17.618000+08:00","text":"副署長到了嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-08T10:01:17.798000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:01:49.179000+08:00","text":"若還沒到，衛福部食藥署或心理健康司就一起先上來，看林委員怎麼提問來回答。","quality":0.576},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-08T10:01:52.301000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:02:03.848000+08:00","text":"今天本席就毒駕引起整個社會的震盪，並就毒品管理及道路安全主題請教各位。","quality":0.758},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-08T10:02:08.310000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:02:27.578000+08:00","text":"第一個部分是針對檢驗制度的精進；第二個部分是如何在源頭管理上做防堵；最後是有關教育的相關議題，即學校如何就這部分提前做因應。","quality":0.914},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-08T10:02:28.539000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:02:32.621000+08:00","text":"第一個部分，針對依托咪酯這個新興毒品在制度上的問題。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-08T10:02:33.841000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:02:54.469000+08:00","text":"最近因依托咪酯毒駕所造成的案件層出不窮，剛才幾位委員也有提到，現在連執法人員都遭受衝擊，所以提高毒品級別並加重刑責，是許多人都提出來的方式。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-08T10:02:54.969000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:03:10.619000+08:00","text":"但本席要提醒其中一個關鍵在於，若第一線如果不能及時查驗，而違法者本身根本認為自己不會被抓到，那麼我們即使提高刑責，但嚇阻效果還是會大打折扣！","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-08T10:03:12.300000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:03:20.968000+08:00","text":"現在新興毒品的特性就是變化非常快，當前流行的化學物質在幾個月之後，可能又被新的化學結構所取代。","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-08T10:03:21.568000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:03:22.409000+08:00","text":"如此，檢驗廠商也很難投入大量的成本來開發免費試劑，所以這是一個很大的問題。","quality":0.853},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-08T10:03:22.429000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:03:34.639000+08:00","text":"剛才也有委員提到，現在的犯罪手法常常讓我們整個執法面追不上，這也是本席現在所要提醒的，甚至連免費試劑也可能在開發成本的限制下而追不上。","quality":0.397},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-08T10:03:35.260000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:03:44.928000+08:00","text":"所以要怎麼辦？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-08T10:03:45.549000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:04:00.021000+08:00","text":"針對很多新興毒品，目前其實並沒有很成熟的免疫篩檢工具，而是直接依靠液相層析串聯質譜儀，也就是LC-MS/MS來進行分析跟確認。","quality":0.845},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-08T10:04:00.141000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:04:17.815000+08:00","text":"本席要請教衛福部，如果在法律面或實務面仍要求兩種不同的分析方法來均衡陽性的處理，如此是不是會因為靈敏度的限制，而降低了實質辨識吸毒者的能力？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-08T10:04:18.836000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:04:35.408000+08:00","text":"第二個部分則請教法務部，依托咪酯的半衰期很短，大概二到三個小時，所以應該有出現過第一次驗尿時，濃度高於法定值；但是當再一次採尿時，又低於標準值。","quality":0.815},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-08T10:04:36.328000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:04:46.795000+08:00","text":"換言之，只要延遲採檢，就有可能從陽性變成陰性，對此，法務部跟衛福部是否曾就相關議題做過共同檢討？","quality":0.837},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-08T10:04:46.936000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:04:56.943000+08:00","text":"依托咪酯毒駕案件，從攔查、送檢、採樣到鑑識的流程中，有無方法可因應這種快速代謝的特性？","quality":0.763},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-08T10:04:57.923000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:04:59.144000+08:00","text":"這點請兩個部會說明。","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-08T10:05:00.065000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:05:09.371000+08:00","text":"我想要真正提升依托咪酯毒駕的辨識能力，是不是能從檢討現在的法定閾值、採檢時效與檢驗平臺做起？","quality":0.651},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-08T10:05:10.572000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:05:22.198000+08:00","text":"尤其針對半衰期比較短、變化快的新興毒品，包括本席剛才所講的，每經過一段時間，新化學物質的結構就可能取代現在所碰到的問題？","quality":0.891},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-08T10:05:22.338000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:05:24.379000+08:00","text":"你們要如何因應這些未來的可能性？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-08T10:05:25.139000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:05:32.383000+08:00","text":"這部分是不是先請衛福部、法務部先個別回答，再共同回答本席剛才提到的可能牽扯到兩個部會的問題？謝謝。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"張副組長馨文","start":"2026-06-08T10:05:41.785000+08:00","guess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然後繩之以法。","quality":0.783},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-08T10:10:30.520000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:10:31.481000+08:00","text":"好的，謝謝部長，所以本席剛才提到的，你們還沒有共同的回應，但基本上這是你們個別的問題，也就是說，你們有這個……","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T10:10:31.501000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:10:31.782000+08:00","text":"採檢的部分，我們現在是趕緊在做了。","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-08T10:10:31.802000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:10:52.606000+08:00","text":"對、對、對，所以部長，您剛才有提到時間嘛，本席這邊講的也是時間，也就是說，我們要能夠精確的檢驗出來，但是又要搶在目前這個化學物質變化的半衰期當中，又不會誤檢……","quality":0.884},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T10:10:52.926000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:11:00.572000+08:00","text":"那個採尿應該很快，我想警方可以去做更精準的實地操作的報告。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-08T10:11:00.732000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:11:34.974000+08:00","text":"所以基本上本席這邊要提醒的是，化學物質的處理，或者是新興化學物質的取代性，現在速度非常快，但是衛福部跟檢驗的相關單位，或法務部執法的部分，怎麼樣在時間的窘迫性跟採檢的精確性裡面做一個處理，更因應本席剛才講到的未來可能速度會越來越快，所以怎麼去做一個處理，這個是我們要共同面對的問題，對不對？","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"廖副署長訓誠","start":"2026-06-08T10:11:36.095000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:12:00.055000+08:00","text":"是，謝謝委員，有關檢驗的部分，除了剛剛法務部有提到警方除了快篩之外，現在的檢驗量能也有所謂的快速通道，就是說需要快速檢驗的部分，包括刑事警察局的檢驗，還有法務部調查局以及法醫研究所，這邊都有一個快速檢驗的通道。","quality":0.99},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-08T10:12:01.278000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:12:07.664000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝，是不是把這部分你們相關的因應措施，給本席的研究室補一個書面報告，好不好？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T10:12:08.224000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:12:24.719000+08:00","text":"謝謝，跟委員補充，事實上我們是在搶時間，尤其是如果有致人死傷的部分，我們要搶時間，因為這個牽扯到我們要聲押、聲請羈押，所以我想檢警在這部分是非常的積極努力，因為我們要守護用路人的安全，保護民眾的生命安全。","quality":0.707},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-08T10:12:25.439000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:12:38.848000+08:00","text":"對，所以本席要提醒的最重要一點是，可能我們無法預期到的化學物質變化的取代性非常高，未來這個部分，可能兩個部會應該也都要注意，好不好？是。","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-08T10:12:39.728000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:12:40.469000+08:00","text":"謝謝，衛福部請回。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-08T10:12:41.349000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:13:52.373000+08:00","text":"接下來要針對法務部跟財政部關務署，今天關務署的代表應該是郭組長嘛，剛才本席談到依托咪酯毒駕者在第一線的查緝，採檢跟檢驗制度上是不是能夠趕得上新興毒品快速代謝跟快速變化的問題，但重點是如果前端原料進得來，然後半成品做得出來，後端再加重刑責，提高查緝，其實大家都疲於奔命，目前的狀況是，國內年初首度查獲了利用非列管的化學物質依托咪酯酸來轉化製造二級毒品依托咪酯的案件，這個案件查扣了依托咪酯的成品、半成品、先驅原料跟各類的化學物質，總共的量數也滿多的，達九百多公斤，市值也非常高，達到五億多元，這樣嚴重的問題就關係到新興毒品不是只有走私的成品，而是透過境外寄送未列管的化學原料，在國內設廠來轉化成毒品。","quality":0.896},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-08T10:13:53.415000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:14:08.367000+08:00","text":"在關務署的部分，本席要請教的是，對於這樣將非列管的化學物質進口後，轉化成毒品的模式，關務署是不是會會同海巡署及物流業者來建立風險識別的機制？","quality":0.877},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-08T10:14:08.867000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:14:18.273000+08:00","text":"例如對特定的收件人，或是異常的頻率、可疑化學物質的名稱，還有分批寄送的樣態來進行一些處理？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-08T10:14:19.174000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:14:31.507000+08:00","text":"法務部的部分是在於，依托咪酯酸不是列管的物質，但它是製造的原料，法務部目前是不是有啟動毒品先驅原料的列管檢討？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-08T10:14:31.927000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:14:33.649000+08:00","text":"這個部分是不是請兩個單位做個回應。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭組長寬淵","start":"2026-06-08T10:14:35.761000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:14:57.226000+08:00","text":"報告委員，有關依托咪酯酸，還有其他不明的化學藥品，海關在邊境上查獲的時候，只要我們拉曼測試，剛才有講到依托咪酯酸、依托咪酯，還有相關的化學鍵少一個，但是基本上我們拉曼的圖形還是會有顯現，只要可疑的，我們一定是送去化驗，所以這部分請委員放心。","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"郭組長寬淵","start":"2026-06-08T10:14:57.947000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:15:02.828000+08:00","text":"剛才說到後面的物流，情資的部分一直都是我們海關在做的，以上簡短說明。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-08T10:15:05.443000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:15:06.384000+08:00","text":"謝謝，部長，你們的部分呢？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T10:15:07.304000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:15:26.436000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員的關心，有關於依托咪酯原料「依托咪酯酸」的部分，法務部在6月17日會召開毒審會，將針對依托咪酯酸進行審查，是不是將其納入列管毒品來做審議，6月17號我們會審議依托咪酯酸要不要列入毒品。","quality":0.671},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-08T10:15:27.396000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:16:11.165000+08:00","text":"所以本席這邊提醒一下，因為這個物質最主要的問題是，當它進來的時候並不是被列管的，但它卻又是未來會製造成毒品的原料，其實本席剛才講的其他問題，也有可能在未來會發生，也就是取代性，然後新興的速度，所以可能兩個單位，法務部這邊也是比較辛苦的，不是只有處理依托咪酯酸，而是目前列管的，本席講的這個問題的制度面，甚至整個系統面，你們可能都要一併做考量，如果在會議上有討論到，所以重點就是，我們可能在原料端、物流端跟製造端都必須要注意這個系統性的問題，這樣才不會造成我們處理了這個問題，但新的樣態又出來，這就會變成一直都追不上。","quality":0.898},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T10:16:11.425000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:16:40.939000+08:00","text":"有一個預警的平臺啦，因為我們也會關心，其實聯合國在1988年有一個國際公約，它有列入一些化學先驅原料，或者新興的物質會不會被濫用，它會做一些警示給各國來做參考，我們也都會參考這一種資料，其實我們列管的這些毒品731項在全世界應該是最頂尖的、最多的。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T10:16:41.960000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:17:17.598000+08:00","text":"我們高檢署有一個毒品先驅原料的預警平臺，事實上各大的緝毒系統，還有其他的部會都有參與，就是去找出，奇怪怎麼有一些先驅原料，我們並沒有列入毒品的列管，這部分我們也會以提案的方式，或臨時動議的方式來做提案，請各單位是不是給予注意，並去追查它、監控它，甚至是不是要列管為毒品，我想我們現在都有這些預防的機制，這個部分我們會做一個書面的補充。","quality":0.869},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-08T10:17:17.598000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-08T10:17:20.079000+08:00","text":"謝謝，所以如果6月17號你們要開這樣的會，或許可以把這樣的概念也放進去，在提案上面去做討論。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T10:17:20.079000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-08T10:17:22.560000+08:00","text":"是，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-08T10:17:22.560000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-08T10:17:25.041000+08:00","text":"謝謝，兩位請回。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-08T10:17:25.041000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:17:48.059000+08:00","text":"最後，我要請教教育部，今天應該是蔡司長列席，司長，你好。","quality":0.348},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-08T10:17:48.779000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:18:05.388000+08:00","text":"我們剛才講到，其實本席比較注重的是整個系統性的問題，所以剛才我們有提到前端，然後最後端，也不能說最後端啦，事實上，如果能夠從學校方面就來做一個處理，至少大家對於毒這個意識，在學校就有所謂的教育層面。","quality":0.922},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-08T10:18:06.288000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:18:23.361000+08:00","text":"剛才其實你在回應其他委員的問題時也有提到教育層面有做一些宣導，但本席這邊講一個比較實際的問題，在防堵新興毒品進入校園，本席要提到的是第一線人力的負荷問題，第一線的人力是不是足以負荷？","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-08T10:18:24.042000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:19:33.042000+08:00","text":"目前這樣一個毒品都已經透過網路或同儕來流進校園，剛才有委員提到，基本上在所有的網路上，各個平臺現在都已經看得到，教育部現在除了尿液篩檢，你們也有唾液快篩，這個部分本席支持，但本席要提醒，制度的設計不能只增加了學校的責任，也要增加現場的人力，我想這是整個教育目前的困境，也就是現在的員額編制，高級中等學校有班級的級數、住宿人數跟人力的規定，國民小學跟國中也有班級編制跟行政人員配置的規範，但是國中面臨了青春期，還有電子煙、新興毒品、校安通報、輔導轉介的壓力，目前整個負擔都已經接近了高中職，本席要請教，未來學校如果要做相關的篩檢，以及特定人力的追蹤，包括家長的通知、校安通報、後續的輔導，這些工作最後誰要做？","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"蔡司長宜靜","start":"2026-06-08T10:19:35.946000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:19:44.635000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，目前確實都是由生教組長、相關的編組在做這些相關的以及整個程序的處理，至於人力的部分……","quality":0.795},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-08T10:19:45.676000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:20:06.072000+08:00","text":"司長，你不覺得只要社會一有問題，然後所有的負擔都是第一線的行政人員，甚至有許多老師都要兼著，所以如果員額上、編制上以及財力上都沒有擴展的話，請問要怎麼去因應這麼多元的問題？","quality":0.911},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-08T10:20:06.773000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:20:26.266000+08:00","text":"現在連教師的核心能力都已經面臨很大的挑戰，我想你們應該都知道，我們今天處理的是毒的問題，可是現在教育的問題，老師都苦不堪言，我們要怎麼去處理那些新來的議題？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-08T10:20:27.848000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:20:38.540000+08:00","text":"如果本席剛才所講的那些應有的支持都沒有的話，我們如何在第一線來協助整個社會、來防堵校園毒品的氾濫？","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"蔡司長宜靜","start":"2026-06-08T10:20:40.302000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:20:42.883000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，目前唾液快篩算是多一個輔助工具，我們後續還是會把相關的SOP、相關的作為做好，希望能夠讓現場來做相關的參用。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"蔡司長宜靜","start":"2026-06-08T10:20:42.883000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-08T10:20:43.883000+08:00","text":"至於人力的部分……","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-08T10:20:42.903000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:21:35.089000+08:00","text":"對，你講的是針對毒的這件事情，多一個輔助的工具，但是人沒有變多，錢也沒有變多，所以本席在這邊建議教育部，應該同步檢討國中學務人力的配置，讓國中可以比照高中職，朝著至少每六班增加一名學務或相關支援人員的方向，現在學校要處理的問題太多了，社會又有太多的問題，在整個學校的網絡還沒有準備好之前，就要去因應社會需要學校來處理的問題，所以你們真的應該全面來處理跟檢討學校人力及資源相關的配置，不是東西一丟下去，大家自然而然就會了，或是自然而然就能做了，這個部分對大家的負擔都非常大。","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-08T10:21:36.351000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:22:00.512000+08:00","text":"所以請你們再評估唾液快篩特定人員的追蹤，以及學輔相關單位要增加多少工作負擔，另外，國中學務人力的配置希望比照高中職，最後，反毒的責任不能都壓在教師身上，請教育部要針對這整體的系統去做處理跟檢討，好嗎？謝謝。","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"蔡司長宜靜","start":"2026-06-08T10:22:00.512000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:22:03.954000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員倩綺","start":"2026-06-08T10:22:03.954000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:22:11.858000+08:00","text":"不好意思，最後，相關精進的報告可不可以在兩個月之內送到本席辦公室，好不好？謝謝。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"蔡司長宜靜","start":"2026-06-08T10:22:11.858000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:22:11.958000+08:00","text":"好的，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-08T10:22:14.668000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:22:14.728000+08:00","text":"謝謝林倩綺委員的質詢。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-08T10:22:15.228000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-08T10:22:18.370857+08:00","text":"接下來請張雅琳委員質詢。","quality":0.273}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}