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OK那是要包含所以會議討論的結果是什麼不好意思你剛剛的意思是目前前面之前有幾個方案但是有原廠四行認證的問題所以說後續又提出了一些改善的方式那這個一直都是在進行當中那目前還沒有做一個最後的決定那有沒有辦法用現在說原廠的認證但是原廠對這個機型是停產的那會不會有原廠認證沒有辦法執行的狀況出現"},{"start":312.967,"end":328.252,"text":"我們在尋求一些替代的方案如果說他有提出一些可行的方案的話我們會做一些替代方案那包含我們自己國內的產能有沒有辦法做提出的改進改善案目前我們了解的在國內外都有這樣的一個狀態那國內建也是外購的"},{"start":332.535,"end":360.593,"text":"國內間也是外公那也就是說這是可以解決的問題嗎既然有人提出這樣子的問題第一線的官兵如果提出這樣的問題就你所知道是可以馬上來去做解決可以這麼說嗎如果經過你們檢討之後覺得可以替換可以更換可以升級的話那就可以馬上去做是如果程序都完備的話我們這也都是在討論討論的方向好那在這一次的事故出現之後那這個討論的方向是不是可以加速成為執行的方向"},{"start":361.532,"end":387.512,"text":"這我們會持續的進行因為看起來這個狀態也好啦或者是你說什麼空速表、隨速表等等這一些事關飛航安全的事情這一些是我們我國有能力就是在這個既有機型下面做一些升級改進的那就可以說在剛才部長提到的在新型的機型進來之前到我們這一個機型退役之後"},{"start":388.052,"end":401.669,"text":"的這一個相關的這個時間點我們還是能夠來去保障第一線的這一個飛行人員的安全嘛對不對所以是不是這個就我們把檢討的時間能夠再更快速一點那盡快給他們換裝不然的話"},{"start":402.93,"end":420.865,"text":"我們這樣子這個解決方案因為你說要這個維治或者是建案到2033年的話那你現在還是有六七年那六七年的時候我們不能夠說今年就不做嘛我們就可以替換的零件升級的零組件我們就還是要必須來去做升級這個樣子有沒有問題啊"},{"start":422.748,"end":439.546,"text":"所以我們可以持續的進行那另外就是說帶飛的能量會不會嚴重不足因為我們看到其實隨著我們的這個編組我看你們編制教員是編制有32元那實際上只有17元是不是有這樣子的狀況"},{"start":440.307,"end":455.863,"text":"那個是聘僱教官跟聘僱教官要跟軍職教官來做一個搭配那目前確實我們T-34因為他是最初級的教練級所有的飛行學生都要到這個單位來做一個飛行訓練所以確實他們的這個work 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那去年九月份成功領的這個狀況"},{"start":556.383,"end":581.043,"text":"現在該員的狀況我看其實包含我們的這個民意代表還有他自己的家人都非常的重視那我們是有看到說三總現在有利用虛擬頭骨3D列印的這些技術也就是說未來因為意外總是會發生但是意外之後我們怎麼樣能夠給商員最好的救治狀況"},{"start":582.324,"end":600.516,"text":"那我認為接下來跟農總之間的這個協調合作那特別是像這樣子的很年輕的這個狀況就遇到這麼嚴重的槍傷是不是可不可以請這個公安部來簡單講一下現在的狀況那以後的造福跟怎麼樣進行"},{"start":603.198,"end":626.312,"text":"目前該議員我們已經幫他補了兩次的頭骨不管是顱骨底跟外殼的地方都已經幫他補好了後續我們會加強對他神經的修復跟復健的部分我們繼續加強非常感謝因為其實真的很年輕感謝國防部的協助希望還可以持續關心謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-06-08T11:02:37.189000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:02:38.730000+08:00","text":"你好，請部長。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-08T11:02:38.730000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:02:46.514000+08:00","text":"請顧部長。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-06-08T11:02:46.514000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-08T11:02:47.855000+08:00","text":"陳委員好。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-06-08T11:02:47.855000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:02:48.075000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-06-08T11:02:48.776000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:02:56.460000+08:00","text":"現在T-34教練機的彈射椅是沒有辦法裝上去的，是不是？","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-06-08T11:02:56.680000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:02:58.802000+08:00","text":"現行的T-34是沒辦法裝設彈射椅的。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-06-08T11:03:00.443000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:03:01.383000+08:00","text":"現在的機型是沒有辦法的？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-06-08T11:03:01.923000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:03:02.424000+08:00","text":"現在的機型沒有辦法。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-06-08T11:03:03.705000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:03:15.793000+08:00","text":"如果未來有這種重大飛航狀況的時候，他們的逃生方式在這次的事件之後，有沒有檢討有什麼樣的方式可以做……","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-06-08T11:03:16.594000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:03:20.616000+08:00","text":"我們現在就是要籌購新式的初教機，新式初教機當然會將彈射座椅列為籌購的裝備。","quality":0.943},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-06-08T11:03:25.997000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:03:36.245000+08:00","text":"新式初教機籌購的狀況是用國產、商購，還是透過其他軍購的方式得到？","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-06-08T11:03:37.246000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:03:44.996000+08:00","text":"我們現在會請空軍做個評估並且報上來，明年5月30日以前會定案。明年。","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-06-08T11:03:47.158000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:03:55.344000+08:00","text":"現在T-34這樣的機型大概預估還要再執行幾年的任務？","quality":1},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-06-08T11:03:55.564000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:04:21.201000+08:00","text":"現在差不多都在1萬3,000小時，壽期是到1萬6,000小時，每一架機的屆壽期間不同，最快的一架應該是121年，之後會在122年、123年、124年、125年陸續屆壽。","quality":0.745},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-06-08T11:04:25.222000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:04:29.605000+08:00","text":"可不可以用西元，我比較……就是2032年到2035年？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-06-08T11:04:31.185000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:04:35.667000+08:00","text":"2032年到2036年，差不多是……","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-06-08T11:04:36.608000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:04:40.690000+08:00","text":"所以到2036年，也就是現在大概還要再服役……","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-06-08T11:04:41.370000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:05:10.995000+08:00","text":"這是就屆壽的狀況，我們明年完成建案，117年獲賦預算之後預期能夠取得初教機，我們規劃在119年或120年，也就是3031年以前就能夠獲得。","quality":0.843},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-06-08T11:05:11.696000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:05:23.343000+08:00","text":"如果能夠更快速地取得教練機，我們希望不用等到最後的期限就可以提早退役。","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-06-08T11:05:24.004000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:05:37.372000+08:00","text":"是，現在的規劃是沒有要等到屆壽，而是明年啟動完成建案、後年獲賦預算之後就儘速地籌獲。","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-06-08T11:05:37.372000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:05:38.333000+08:00","text":"這個預算是放在公務預算，還是要特別……","quality":0.688},{"speaker":"顧部長立雄","start":"2026-06-08T11:05:40.454000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:05:41.555000+08:00","text":"現在是規劃放在公務預算。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-06-08T11:05:43.216000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:05:52.282000+08:00","text":"現在聽到一些相關的陳情，就是以現在的妥善率，每日的妥善機最大僅16架，有這樣子的狀況嗎？","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"李參謀長慶然","start":"2026-06-08T11:05:55.482000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:06:00.425000+08:00","text":"報告委員，這不是事實，我們近10年都是滿足到我們部頒的妥善率20架以上。","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-06-08T11:06:01.005000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:06:01.465000+08:00","text":"20架以上？是。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-06-08T11:06:01.906000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:06:05.608000+08:00","text":"所以相關的說法不是事實？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李參謀長慶然","start":"2026-06-08T11:06:05.608000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T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