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本席希望衛福部提供給我這個數據你們到目前為止譬如說這個近十年或近五年近十年好了你們處罰了多少件網際網路平台然後呢案件數以及累積的罰環本席需要知道這個數字因為我認為說其實衛福部或數法部基本上是碰到美國的這個平台集團就不敢"},{"start":1033.294,"end":1061.056,"text":"出手了嗎明明就知道說現在就是在網路上面販售情形很嚴重除了處罰國內自己的店家之外平台也有很大的責任在上面你們只是查緝查獲剛才還說是我告知這些平台他們要盡善良管理人責任他就已經不是善良管理人了他是故意放縱甚至去包庇包容這些販賣毒品的這些店家"},{"start":1062.87,"end":1077.26,"text":"對我希望國建署還有書發部要這個積極要勇於認識該罰就要罰不要因為他是美國的業者所以我們就不敢處罰好嗎好好那麻煩本席要的報告請你們一個月之內跟我提供好好謝謝謝謝王小林家委謝謝政部長還有各位立席官員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-06-08T10:55:32.694000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:55:44.103000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，有請鄭部長、廖副署長以及教育部跟數發部的代表。","quality":0.84},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-08T10:55:44.904000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:55:47.346000+08:00","text":"請鄭銘謙部長、廖副署長以及教育部跟數發部列席人員。","quality":0.348},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-06-08T10:55:53.519000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:56:18.347000+08:00","text":"今天本席之所以安排有關於毒駕防制的專報，主要是因為近期發生非常多毒駕肇事的案件，所以國人感到非常害怕，不曉得會不會哪一天可能又被毒駕的人肇事所傷害。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-06-08T10:56:19.888000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:56:31.850000+08:00","text":"事實上依據法務部自己的統計，2025年各級毒品的施用人數差不多4.6萬人，施用二級毒品有2.9萬人，這是最多的。","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-06-08T10:56:32.570000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:57:22.823000+08:00","text":"我剛剛也看了警政署今天的報告，事實上，我們的警察同仁非常非常努力，在過去這些年裡面，基本上查獲毒駕的幾乎都是因為臨檢，有98%的案件都是因為臨檢，我們看到113年刑法移送的件數是2,619件，到了114年，隔一年就暴增三倍，高達8,659件，而今年1到5月則又已經累積到6,730件了，看起來在今年結束之前，勢必一定會破一萬件左右，可見毒駕的問題非常非常嚴重。","quality":0.896},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-06-08T10:57:23.784000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:57:31.749000+08:00","text":"其實這件事情從114年的時候就已經可以看出端倪，因為那時候就已經比前一年暴增了三倍多。","quality":0.868},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-06-08T10:57:32.390000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:58:07.825000+08:00","text":"本席感到好奇的是，我們的毒品審議委員會研議對於到底要不要把依托咪酯的毒品等級從三級、二級提高為一級的這件事情拖這麼久，等於整整拖了一年半的時間，都沒有積極去討論到底依托咪酯要不要被列為毒品管制的範圍，請問部長這一年半你們都在做什麼？","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T10:58:08.985000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:58:18.995000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，其實從113年我們就發覺有些毒駕是用依托咪酯，這是沒有管制的，當時這不是毒品。","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T10:58:19.595000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:58:30.566000+08:00","text":"所以我們速度很快，在113年8月5號就公告將其列管為第三級，結果在兩個多月後，就再改列為第二級。","quality":0.949},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-06-08T10:58:30.946000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:58:36.078000+08:00","text":"那為什麼從第二級到第一級，距離一年多的時間都沒有下文？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-06-08T10:58:37.099000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:58:41.301000+08:00","text":"這一年就是去年那一年，是不是因為大罷免的關係，所以大家都不關心依托咪酯（喪屍煙彈）氾濫的程度？","quality":0.881},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-06-08T10:58:41.601000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:59:03.732000+08:00","text":"你說依托咪酯從113年8月那時候先把它列為三級，然後很快的三個月之後就把它提高為二級，那為什麼沒有在去年就把它提高為一級呢？","quality":0.945},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-06-08T10:59:04.072000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:59:08.375000+08:00","text":"而是一直拖，拖到現在6月17號才要開會。","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-06-08T10:59:08.835000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:59:24.505000+08:00","text":"按照法務部的報告，你們的毒品審議委員會是定期召開，每三個月召開一次，必要的時候還可以開臨時會議，在這樣的情況之下，為什沒有積極地去召開臨時會議？","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-06-08T10:59:24.505000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T10:59:35.056000+08:00","text":"如果去年就已經發現這個問題很嚴重了，其實可以提早因應作業，而不是一直拖到6月17號才要召開毒品審議會議。","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T10:59:37.594000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:00:01.990000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，事實上我們對毒品的分級是滾動式的檢討，它的確是急速的增加，就是因為我們把它列為毒品，而且警方有專案的查緝，所以查獲的案件才會急速增加，也就是因為它列入毒品的管制，這些我們才會就專案的……","quality":0.856},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-06-08T11:00:02.090000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:00:03.431000+08:00","text":"是，本席知道也同意法務部在113年的時候，當時有積極處理，但是本席這邊是要譴責，為什麼法務部在後來的這一段時間這麼消極、沒有積極去做處理？","quality":0.983},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-06-08T11:00:03.571000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:00:28.531000+08:00","text":"如果不是因為最近又發生了這麼多起的毒駕肇事案件，會不會法務部到現在都還拖拖拉拉，還沒有想到要把這個毒品升高為一級？","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-06-08T11:00:28.531000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:00:55.607000+08:00","text":"所以本席是希望部長這邊，你們以後如果要召開毒品審議會議時，我非常同意您剛剛說的一定要滾動式去檢討，而且今天我們看到的是依托咪酯酸的問題，但是還有很多其他也是屬於麻醉性的藥品，未來可不可能又會跟其他的毒品結合，對於這部分真的是必須要加速處理。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-06-08T11:00:56.527000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:01:17.678000+08:00","text":"當然在6月17日毒品審議委員會要開會，沒有問題的話，應該是會將依托咪酯提高為一級毒品，本席希望你們以後遇到類似這樣的狀況，一定要積極處理，不要延宕處理。","quality":0.836},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-06-08T11:01:18.639000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:01:39.327000+08:00","text":"還有另外一個問題，對於現在國內查獲沒有列管先驅原料或是新興濫用的物質，如果是具有產業用途，無法列入毒品品項的時候，毒審會會做成一個附帶決議，報請行政院以專案方式來指定主管機關處理並控制它的流向。","quality":0.945},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-06-08T11:01:40.147000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:02:08.10000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5000+08:00","text":"我要講的是，其實我一點都不相信行政院會在這個月將相關的修法送到立法院，如果會的話，那就代表行政院林明昕選擇性修法，多少重要的法案，除了剛剛我們講的特留分，小額貪污免刑的修法，也是法務部支持的啊！","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-06-08T11:06:05.895000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:06:06.696000+08:00","text":"你們有提出法案啊！","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-06-08T11:06:07.396000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:06:09.958000+08:00","text":"也是壓在行政院。","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-06-08T11:06:11.119000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:06:18.145000+08:00","text":"公務人員待遇調整的修法也是一樣，行政院人事行政總處早就提出了，全部都壓在行政院！","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-06-08T11:06:20.448000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:06:38.141000+08:00","text":"我知道這件事情當然跟部長無關，我想你也很無奈，因為法務部、司法院等等這些機關有非常多的法案現在全部都壓在行政院，我現在看到行政院有154案沒有提出來，我會一個一個去檢討，到底它是壓了多久？","quality":0.94},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-06-08T11:06:39.262000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:06:51.169000+08:00","text":"這次我一定會在預算上面反映我對於行政院的不滿，同時，我也要看接下來是不是這個月就會將相關的法案全部送出。","quality":0.959},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-06-08T11:06:53.711000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:07:15.757000+08:00","text":"接下來要請教內政部警政署副署長跟教育部的就是，剛剛也在內政部的報告裡面有看到，目前全國唾液的毒品快篩劑在115年大概有四萬五千多劑……","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖副署長訓誠","start":"2026-06-08T11:07:16.438000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:07:17.298000+08:00","text":"4萬5,000劑。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-06-08T11:07:17.298000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:07:26.424000+08:00","text":"因為你們之後要發到各個不同的派出所，平均每一間派出所大概一年只能分到30劑，其實是不夠的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-06-08T11:07:27.925000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:07:46.211000+08:00","text":"同樣的，還有教育部也是，教育部說先採購5,000劑，然後再分配給各個縣市，但是我們現在全國有上千個或有沒有接近一萬個高、中、小學，有5萬7,000個班級，這5,000劑是要怎麼去分配？","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-06-08T11:07:47.012000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:07:51.813000+08:00","text":"就算是之後準備要採購2.8萬劑左右，那麼要怎麼去分配？","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-06-08T11:07:51.953000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:07:56.235000+08:00","text":"所以我想請教警政署副署長還有教育部，你們要怎麼樣去分配這些資源？","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"廖副署長訓誠","start":"2026-06-08T11:07:58.196000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:08:11.721000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告一下，目前我們今年已經增加到4萬5,000劑，還會再滾動式的修正，視地方執行的狀況，可能會再擴充、增購，這個都會做滾動式的修正。","quality":0.772},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-06-08T11:08:13.962000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:08:16.083000+08:00","text":"我現在要講的就是你們根本不夠嘛，對不對？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-06-08T11:08:16.083000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:08:24.927000+08:00","text":"你們有沒有預估要有多少快篩劑的存量，才會足夠去做現在的快篩檢驗？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"廖副署長訓誠","start":"2026-06-08T11:08:28.548000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:08:42.935000+08:00","text":"到目前為止，我們覺得是4萬5,000劑，當然還要視後續的執行狀況，因為去年是一萬多劑，今年已經擴增到4萬5,000劑了，目前來講是足夠的，足夠讓第一線的同仁執行，如果不夠的話，隨時會滾動式修正來擴增、增購。","quality":0.843},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-06-08T11:08:42.935000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-08T11:08:47.058000+08:00","text":"好，請教教育部。","quality":0},{"speaker":"蔡司長宜靜","start":"2026-06-08T11:08:47.058000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:09:06.719000+08:00","text":"跟召委報告，教育部這邊是先採購5,000劑來協助，優先分配下去給縣市來執行，後續會納入共同供應契約，以我們過往尿液篩檢的量來看，大概是兩萬劑，所以大概也有跟內政部警政署合作，未來就是納入共同供應契約的量由縣市來進行採購，以上。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-06-08T11:09:08.381000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:09:11.483000+08:00","text":"我想採購的部分應該要加速地進行。","quality":0.533},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-06-08T11:09:12.003000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:09:57.608000+08:00","text":"另外，也要再請教教育部的就是，剛剛張雅琳委員也已經問過了，接下來是執行面的問題，如果學校老師有發現某個同學精神恍惚、身體顫抖等等，懷疑他是不是吸食喪屍煙彈，可是學生拒絕配合進行快篩檢驗，家長也不願意簽知情同意書，事實上，我覺得學校跟老師是很無奈的，但是如果不做的話，可能又會被學校檢討，或是教育部也會檢討，所以教育部有沒有想到可以建立一個全國性通報機制，如果這些學生或家長不願意配合的，總要有一個管理機制吧！","quality":0.519},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-06-08T11:09:58.428000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:10:03.190000+08:00","text":"看看是由警政署或哪一個單位來負責出面做這樣的檢查？","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"蔡司長宜靜","start":"2026-06-08T11:10:04.280000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:10:12.109000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，過去如果有拒絕篩檢，以前尿液篩檢的部分會會同相關單位、警政單位來做協助，只是我們剛剛特別補充還是希望先進行溝通，若真的是不配合，經我們相關的說明之後，也會會同相關單位一起協助。","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-06-08T11:10:24.402000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:10:30.584000+08:00","text":"當然還有另外一個問題，很多青少年學生或許會覺得自己被標籤化，所以在事後輔導或是在選定哪些學生必須要做唾液篩檢的時候，可能也要特別注意這個問題。","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"翁委員曉玲","start":"2026-06-08T11:10:30.604000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:11:10.444000+08:00","text":"最後，我要請教數發部與衛福部，其實剛剛聽了很多委員在講，現在網路媒體平臺上面的確非常容易買到電子煙，衛福部與數發部之前也說電子煙的製造、販賣本來就是不允許的，但是明明就是在平臺上面，我們可以看到這麼多商店、這麼多店家都在賣，請問到目前為止，你們有沒有處罰過臺灣這幾個大的平臺，包含Google、Meta集團底下的Facebook、IG等等這些平臺，有處罰過嗎？","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"魏副署長璽倫","start":"2026-06-08T11:11:19.139000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:11:20.660000+08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