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要怎麼來解決呢"},{"start":662.719,"end":681.587,"text":"跟委員報告啦我剛剛講的6到8小時大概就是我們24小時內是綠色通道那6到8小時是什麼就是我們最快最快的話可以6到8小時那現在我們現在因為拖曳快篩我們現在警政署訂定這個獨駕這個作業程序取締作業程序在"},{"start":682.307,"end":699.202,"text":"我們這樣的一個前置的有獨家增厚的再加上透液快篩那這個部分我們去年統計下來以後雖然它的缺效就是光透液的缺效大概是96%點多那有這樣獨家的增厚那你剛剛講到6到8個小時的檢疫的量是多少"},{"start":700.602,"end":717.79,"text":"現在每一件沒有辦法因為現在三大機關 調查局 刑事局還有我們法醫研究所這個部分所有的我們就用脫衣快篩加上獨駕這個部分因為我們去年3000多件統計下來以後我們第一個做人車分離"},{"start":718.59,"end":737.996,"text":"第二個就是把這些報告附在後面然後見請積壓我現在提到的就是說針對剛剛你剛剛也提到了這檢驗量人絕對沒辦法在六到八個小時可相關的案件送到地院像那我不曉得我們的這個彰化分住所的這個所長被撞的那一件"},{"start":738.456,"end":754.14,"text":"最後吳保請回到底是什麼因素是不是有可能是這樣我不知道但是呢確實現在已經造成很多這樣子的一個困擾了那所以針對這個部分我覺得我們應該把這個執法跟司法宣判的這個現實的困境要能夠來解決部長您的看法咧"},{"start":758.187,"end":776.566,"text":"我想就是這一種的毒價是零容忍,那我們也會在目前的這些的,現在我們是修法嘛,在沒有修法之前的話,我們講是強力的一個還是速查嚴辦,那因為現在預防性羈押已經把那個不能安全駕駛已經內錄了,5月4號就公佈施行了,"},{"start":779.148,"end":803.642,"text":"那我沒有遇到就如果自然史上這部分我們會檢討會申請羈押那我們想會申請羈押他不是只有一個托育快篩的這個一個陽性因為還有其他的一些的激症來申請反應的羈押要合乎到訴訟法的101條裡面有其他的一個市政我想重點是如何執行啦我們一定要拿出魄力來好好的來努力好嗎是謝謝"},{"start":805.745,"end":811.688,"text":"好謝謝徐委員那因為我們剛剛已經有先經做這個會議程序的宣告"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-06-08T11:13:49.219000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:13:49.399000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-06-08T11:13:50.721000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:13:50.961000+08:00","text":"請鄭銘謙部長。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-08T11:13:51.382000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:13:51.402000+08:00","text":"有請鄭部長。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T11:13:56.887000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:13:57.147000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-06-08T11:13:57.768000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:13:57.988000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-06-08T11:13:58.709000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:14:25.769000+08:00","text":"部長，今天我們所有的委員前來這邊質詢，最主要就是因為近來毒駕案件接連引起很多重大的死傷，尤其是日前彰化埔鹽分駐所的分所長還被撞斷雙腿，也是毒駕案件，可是最後卻是無保請回，引起大家的譁然，而且民怨沸騰。","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-06-08T11:14:28.091000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:14:39.197000+08:00","text":"行政院卓院長在6月4日宣布要將依托咪酯提升為第一級毒品，製造、運輸及販賣最重可求處死刑。","quality":0.821},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-06-08T11:14:40.438000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:14:59.521000+08:00","text":"人民當然非常支持政府打擊毒品，但是大家更想知道的是，為什麼政府過去這麼長的一段時間早已經掌握了相關資訊，也有很多相關的預警制度，也有委員會，可是為什麼會一路放任問題惡化到今天呢？","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-06-08T11:14:59.521000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-08T11:15:01.022000+08:00","text":"請部長回答。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T11:15:01.022000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:15:21.267000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，事實上並沒有放任，因為我們毒品危害防制會報就一直在整合各部會，從源頭的管制到法務部主管的緝毒面部分，我們都是有一個會報的形式。","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T11:15:23.687000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:15:41.308000+08:00","text":"另外，事實上臺高檢署也有成立一個預警平臺，我們對那些沒有列管的先驅原料都是用專案，就是以臨時動議方式來給各單位做監管，並檢討是不是列入毒品或為其他管制。","quality":0.817},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-06-08T11:15:41.428000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:15:45.290000+08:00","text":"所以你們剛剛講的這個預警平臺是在112年就已經成立了？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T11:15:45.430000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:15:45.670000+08:00","text":"就有了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-06-08T11:15:45.990000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:15:56.875000+08:00","text":"但是警政署有個統計數據，110年毒駕有43件，113年有2,619件，114年就已經8,659件，到今年1到5月分就已經6,730件，也就是平均一天就有40件。","quality":0.83},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-06-08T11:16:07.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:16:17.625000+08:00","text":"所以剛剛您講有預警機制，可是這個預警卻讓毒駕案件越來越高，而且到現在好像有點失控的狀況。","quality":0.878},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-06-08T11:16:17.765000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:17:00.625000+08:00","text":"我知道你們6月17日要召開毒審會，毒審會在113年11月14日把依托咪酯從三級升到二級，可是當年度毒駕事件就有2,619件，到114年度又增加到8,659件，經過這麼長的時間，一年多的時間，就證明當時依托咪酯從三級升二級這樣的判斷是不正確的，所以才會導致我們在114年的毒駕事件這麼多，到現在平均一天又有40件的毒駕，所以毒審會的功能到底在哪裡？","quality":0.839},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-06-08T11:17:00.625000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:17:04.246000+08:00","text":"經過這一年半的時間，為什麼到6月17日才要召開會議？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-06-08T11:17:04.246000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:17:24.315000+08:00","text":"當然這中間你們每三個月都會召開會議，但是既然是有重大案件，必要時可以召開臨時會，我剛剛也提到其實現在平均一天大概就有40件毒駕，為什麼不符合召開臨時會的要件，而要拖到6月17日才要召開呢？","quality":0.904},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T11:17:25.593000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:17:26.433000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T11:17:28.575000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:17:39.305000+08:00","text":"依托咪酯在113年本來就不是列管毒品，113年有兩次，大概是8月從三級到二級，當然這一年多來我們做滾動式檢討。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T11:17:39.765000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:17:44.550000+08:00","text":"因為這是新興毒品，為什麼會有毒駕的產生？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T11:17:45.170000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:17:51.915000+08:00","text":"第一，因為依托咪酯施用的方式是結合電子煙的方式……","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-06-08T11:17:52.595000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:17:53.055000+08:00","text":"當然，它要有載具嘛！","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T11:17:53.336000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:17:57.096000+08:00","text":"對，所以它施用非常方便，一面開車、一面用。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T11:17:57.456000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:18:06.298000+08:00","text":"像原來的毒品不用結合電子煙的話，譬如說還要注射針筒，還要美納水，還要做其他……","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-06-08T11:18:06.718000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:18:07.978000+08:00","text":"部長，您很清楚原因嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-06-08T11:18:08.138000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:18:08.518000+08:00","text":"為什麼到現在還讓這個問題這麼嚴重的發生？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T11:18:08.538000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:18:08.898000+08:00","text":"所以我們趕緊進行滾動式檢討，趕緊把它列為……","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-06-08T11:18:08.898000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:18:22.544000+08:00","text":"因為滾動式檢討已經一年多了，所以我覺得速度真的有些慢。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T11:18:22.684000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:18:25.147000+08:00","text":"所以我們是加強查緝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-06-08T11:18:25.907000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:18:31.173000+08:00","text":"當然從現在開始就認真去面對，然後儘速去完成，我覺得這是我們大家現在該有的一個……","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T11:18:31.434000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:18:53.536000+08:00","text":"我們也非常希望這次6月17日的毒審會議，這些委員能夠將這個……因為要列入的話，要成癮性、濫用性與社會危害性，依托咪酯的社會危害性現在的確是非常大，所以我們趕緊提出列入一級毒品來做管制。","quality":0.765},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-06-08T11:18:54.156000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:19:28.637000+08:00","text":"因為卓院長都已經在行政院會公開指示要推動依托咪酯成為一級毒品，這個部分我想院長都已經這樣講了，但是我這邊也要請教一下部長，因為院長也有特別提到只要是製造、運輸、販賣，最終可求處死刑，可是現在憲判字第8號判決是要求合議庭必須一致決，就等同實質廢死。","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-06-08T11:19:30.398000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:19:41.485000+08:00","text":"請問部長，針對這個部分，院長提出這樣的宣示到底是真心相信死刑有嚇阻的效果，還是在民怨沸騰時，只是拿出死刑來安撫民意？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T11:19:44.306000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:20:07.555000+08:00","text":"因為它列入一級毒品的話，若有製造、販賣、運輸一級毒品，依毒品危害防制條例的法定刑是死刑或無期徒刑，所以這部分如果有依托咪酯的製造、販賣、運輸等等犯行，情節重大，法院就可以判死刑。","quality":0.405},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-06-08T11:20:07.675000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:20:13.220000+08:00","text":"對，判處死刑嘛，但是像我剛剛講的，現在法院的判決其實等同實質廢死啊！","quality":0.767},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-06-08T11:20:13.220000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-08T11:20:14.220000+08:00","text":"所以你做這樣子的……","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T11:20:13.500000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:20:21.568000+08:00","text":"沒有，因為最近高雄地方法院才判一件死刑，就是分屍案嘛，而且那一件是……","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-06-08T11:20:22.088000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:20:23.290000+08:00","text":"對，但是會不會再提起非常上訴呢？","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T11:20:23.790000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:20:26.052000+08:00","text":"那是國民法官的一個案件。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-06-08T11:20:26.553000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:20:29.816000+08:00","text":"對，但是檢察總長會不會又提起非常上訴，然後又駁回呢？","quality":0.783},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T11:20:30.905000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:20:31.626000+08:00","text":"這是一審而已。對啊。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T11:20:31.626000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-08T11:20:33.967000+08:00","text":"他的那個是非常……","quality":0},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-06-08T11:20:33.967000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:20:37.470000+08:00","text":"所以你要三審一致決嘛。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T11:20:40.713000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:20:42.134000+08:00","text":"判死刑要一致決。對啊。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T11:20:42.134000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:20:46.497000+08:00","text":"但不是說沒有判過死刑，以後就不能判死刑。","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-06-08T11:20:46.657000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:20:52.382000+08:00","text":"我的意思是現在針對這個部分，你們是不是認為死刑真的有嚇阻作用，所以應該是要把它……","quality":0.784},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T11:20:53.543000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:20:57.706000+08:00","text":"現在死刑是合憲的，所以我們檢察官在有些情節重大的犯罪是求處死刑的。","quality":0.742},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-06-08T11:20:58.406000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:20:59.247000+08:00","text":"對，但是到最後呢？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-06-08T11:20:59.587000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:21:03.889000+08:00","text":"真的能夠判決死刑定讞的，現在就我知道的幾乎沒有。","quality":0.455},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T11:21:04.390000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:21:12.394000+08:00","text":"我們法務部的立場是維持死刑，這死刑要審慎，但是我們支持，死刑是合憲的。","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T11:21:14.696000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:21:16.777000+08:00","text":"重大的犯罪，法定刑有死刑的，我們檢察官會求處死刑。","quality":0.682},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-06-08T11:21:16.877000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:21:17.718000+08:00","text":"部長，其實針對這個部分，我們覺得嚴懲毒駕要法務部有決心。","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T11:21:17.738000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:21:18.378000+08:00","text":"我想我們的立場都是一致的。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-06-08T11:21:18.478000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:21:32.827000+08:00","text":"對，所以針對嚴懲毒駕這個部分，我們大家如何拿出魄力跟實際的執行力，我覺得這個比較重要。","quality":0.718},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T11:21:32.827000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-08T11:21:33.827000+08:00","text":"是，謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-06-08T11:21:33.548000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:21:36.329000+08:00","text":"我想再請教一下警政署副署長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖副署長訓誠","start":"2026-06-08T11:21:36.329000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-08T11:21:40.836000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-06-08T11:21:40.836000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:21:45.018000+08:00","text":"剛剛有提到，我們現在最重要的其實就是毒駕的問題。是。","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-06-08T11:21:46.058000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:22:08.146000+08:00","text":"針對唾液快篩，剛剛您也提到唾液快篩的試劑應該是沒有問題，但是我們的問題是，現在很多利用唾液快篩檢測的案例，可能他吸食後超過了檢驗時間就會驗不出來，所以請問偽陰性的比例現在大概是多少？","quality":0.871},{"speaker":"廖副署長訓誠","start":"2026-06-08T11:22:10.291000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:22:22.662000+08:00","text":"目前唾液快篩驗出陽性，我們會用尿液來檢驗，它的陽性率是100%，也就是說唾液快篩的有效性是……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-06-08T11:22:23.683000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:22:25.244000+08:00","text":"對，但是你是驗出陽性嘛。對。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-06-08T11:22:25.764000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:22:29.167000+08:00","text":"但是我的意思是，他吸食完一段時間之後呢？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"廖副署長訓誠","start":"2026-06-08T11:22:29.528000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:22:29.968000+08:00","text":"會衰退。","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-06-08T11:22:30.508000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:22:34.552000+08:00","text":"對，所以說他會變成偽陰性，像這樣子的案件你們有掌握嗎？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"廖副署長訓誠","start":"2026-06-08T11:22:41.899000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:22:44.322000+08:00","text":"如果在衰退之後，驗出來可能變成陰性。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-06-08T11:22:44.963000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:22:56.435000+08:00","text":"對，可是他的一些舉止、狀態可能還是非常地危險，所以才會有這麼嚴重的毒駕問題，針對這個部分，你們有什麼樣的做法呢？","quality":0.86},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-06-08T11:22:58.123000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:23:00.364000+08:00","text":"因為你驗不到毒品就攔不下毒駕。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"廖副署長訓誠","start":"2026-06-08T11:23:02.044000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:23:11.246000+08:00","text":"剛剛其實有委員也提到，如果從客觀上足以判斷他不能安全駕駛，再加上採檢他的尿液……","quality":0.861},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-06-08T11:23:11.466000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:23:12.447000+08:00","text":"可以依現行犯逮捕嘛。對。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-06-08T11:23:14.007000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:23:21.109000+08:00","text":"請問一下，依現行犯逮捕的話，你們從檢測尿液到檢驗報告出來，要多久時間？目前……","quality":0.879},{"speaker":"林副局長故廷","start":"2026-06-08T11:23:28.591000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:23:36.533000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，現在程序是這樣子，剛剛講到陽性預測率，去年的三千多件，因為有這些毒駕的徵候，再加上唾液快篩，我們驗出來的比例達到100%。","quality":0.456},{"speaker":"林副局長故廷","start":"2026-06-08T11:23:39.674000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:23:47.316000+08:00","text":"現在如果有肇事致人重傷，然後有毒駕的徵候，篩檢又產生陰性結果，我們就會送到尿液……","quality":0.639},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-06-08T11:23:47.316000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-08T11:23:48.896000+08:00","text":"大概需要多久的時間？","quality":0},{"speaker":"林副局長故廷","start":"2026-06-08T11:23:48.896000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:23:54.259000+08:00","text":"尿液綠色通道的結果大概20小時內就出來了，是綠色通道喔，不是每一件都綠色通道。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-06-08T11:23:54.259000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-08T11:23:55.259000+08:00","text":"好，你說20小時之內，是嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"林副局長故廷","start":"2026-06-08T11:23:55.160000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:23:55.780000+08:00","text":"20小時之內就出來了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"許委員宇甄","start":"2026-06-08T11:23:55.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:24:39.064000+08:00","text":"我們可以看一下，其實我覺得現在會遇到這樣的問題即毒駕執法跟司法審判的困境，就是你在前端攔檢的時候，第一個就像我剛剛講的，有可能會是漏網之魚，因為有偽陰性，然後他繼續開車造成毒駕，被你們找到之後採尿液送檢，你剛剛說本來要7到14日，現在可以在20個小時內，可是我們法定移送時效只有24小時，顯然是來不及，沒報告只能夠無保請回，所以變成法院宣判無保請回的案例也非常多，面對這樣的現實困境要怎麼來解決呢？","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"林副局長故廷","start":"2026-06-08T11:24:42.719000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:24:48.081000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我剛剛講的6到8小時大概就是……我們24小時內是綠色通道，現在我們……","quality":0.871},{"speaker"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