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我請教法務部到最後版本居然是從3年到10年變成5年到12年 多增加2年"},{"start":373.087,"end":401.273,"text":"這個兩年的嚇阻效果你的利基點的嚇阻效果在哪裡你的零容忍就只有兩年嗎這個毒價會發生車禍或是人死傷那這邊如果說有不確定的殺人故意就像我們實務上有起訴就是一毒價撞到人就有去那個劉姓所長的那一種的就是劉宗興所長沒錯那個很不幸很認人很可惡本席現在講的是說因為我們今天的專案一次專案一天晚上可以抓到一百件的毒價"},{"start":402.173,"end":425.205,"text":"那就代表是說大家現在不痛不癢啊所以立法有兩個方式跟目的跟行為我跟部長好好探討一下就一個是真真正正告訴民眾說比例原則等等的部分但另外一個是當現在社會裡面有那麼重大的一個刑責的時候我們也要用言行峻法告訴你這件事情在台灣社會零容忍"},{"start":425.985,"end":435.386,"text":"所以我們會有加重處分要 目的並不是說你來犯然後我來故意要判你 不是我是告訴你說不要做這件事情"},{"start":436.348,"end":463.945,"text":"也因此本席才會提出來啊我們過去到現在所有的不管是在野執政委員其實我覺得都一樣我們沒有人是想要殺身可是我們要用這樣的一個方式告訴大家是說你不要做這件事情那我相信99.9%的人也不會去做那如果0.1%的獨駕的人他以前可能全要僥倖心理那我不要他有僥倖心理啊所以我才告訴你說你只要敢獨駕上車我第一我要沒路車輛"},{"start":465.029,"end":492,"text":"第二如果你因為獨駕而致死的話我最高判你死刑那他可能就會思考是說那這樣子我不要開車嘛如果說吸毒吸毒畢竟也是犯罪可是他是個人行為那他選擇留在他自己的住所是不是用這樣的一個態度才是真真正正的零容忍否則的話你說從十年增加到兩年變十二年我看不出來這增加到兩年的意義在哪裡"},{"start":494.346,"end":512.453,"text":"那你不要跟 加一下 加一些有啦 這不是有啦 現在是我們的台獨問題啦這個一通明子現在六月十七號要跟一通明子算了就要一級毒品嘛 一級毒品那是製毒 販毒 最高處於死刑嘛對 那C10勒"},{"start":513.974,"end":541.529,"text":"西十一級獨立 西十六的話 一級的話就五年以下啊 六月以上 五年以上是啊 五年以下那但是我們現在講的是說你獨駕是所以本席看中面講 因為未來有沒有再有更多的新星的不知道因為科技在進步但本席今天就是要利用這個機會跟這個立場告訴我們國人政府跟我們是一體的就是現在大家很擔心獨駕的問題也不希望說我走在路上"},{"start":542.429,"end":569.239,"text":"遵守交通規則 但突然間哪一個橫衝直撞那因為他是毒品的吸食者而造成我們的生命財產安全也因此才會說我們把刑責提高而台灣現在社會好嘛 民進黨政府過去一直講說我們沒有廢除死刑啊沒有嘛 是不是那既然沒有廢除死刑 我不知道現在死刑入法對於法務部也好 對於我們現在政府也好不是洪水猛獸吧"},{"start":571.156,"end":588.225,"text":"難道獨從駕車撞死人了我們還要給他機會嗎跟委員報告我想這個還是要去做一個區分做一個區分像獨駕去不確定殺人故意去撞死人了這個就是直接到殺人的"},{"start":588.965,"end":613.673,"text":"那如果說獨駕致死我們最重視我們那個法條是到無期徒刑吧你到12年因為他那個是沒有沒有前科的沒有前科的只有獨駕前科的以前的所以你還要給他第二次機會那本來就是更不能給他第二次機會當然啊所以說我們才會講說一次就不行了所以我們現在要修法把它提高就是要告訴全國國人就是不能這樣做"},{"start":614.773,"end":639.42,"text":"所以車子要沒收嘛不管是誰的車子都要沒收只要是獨駕的車子都要沒收車子沒收我們有共識了嘛那現在是185-3的這個刑責的部分我們沒有共識嘛本席現在提出來是因為我在三個禮拜前已經有版本我們很多在野黨國民黨的委員也有版本就是支持185-3我們要提高獨駕致死最高判處死刑無期徒刑或十年以上有期徒刑我們希望法務部今天的質詢聽完之後回去再好好研議溝通"},{"start":642.621,"end":651.435,"text":"行政院到之後爆出來的版本不要跟國人的理解 情感以及國人的認知背道而馳好不好 謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-08T11:32:53+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-08T11:32:54+08:00","text":"主席謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-08T11:32:54+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-08T11:32:55+08:00","text":"麻煩請法務部部長以及警政署副署長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-08T11:32:55+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-08T11:32:56+08:00","text":"請部長跟副署長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T11:32:56+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-08T11:32:57+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-08T11:32:53.120000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:32:53.360000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-08T11:32:54.040000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:32:57.922000+08:00","text":"部長，毒駕零容忍，你早上也講了。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-08T11:32:59.863000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:33:09.848000+08:00","text":"有件毒駕撞到派出所所長，造成他雙腿斷裂，這個也是無法容忍的，但本席看到新聞時感覺更加訝異，為什麼？","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-08T11:33:09.848000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:34:04.373000+08:00","text":"這個施姓嫌犯，依警方所說的，他是警方列管的毒品人口，過去曾經有毒品前科以及施用毒品的惡習，所以已經是一個有毒品前科的累犯了，今天又撞到所長，而所長是在執勤中穿著制服去攔檢，這個嫌犯倒車逃逸，還試圖衝撞員警，造成員警的雙腿骨折，結果法院居然說因為這個嫌犯過去沒有酒駕毒駕前科……我想請教一下酒駕毒駕前科跟他毒品列管的部分，過去沒有酒駕毒駕前科，說不定是根本沒有，那時候我們的試劑還不夠，也因此沒有攔檢到，但不代表他沒有吸食毒品啊！","quality":0.954},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-08T11:34:05.515000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:34:07.177000+08:00","text":"部長，怎麼會輕輕地縱放呢？","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T11:34:08.954000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:34:26.177000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，因為檢警是嚴厲查緝、嚴懲重罰，這部分我們是聲請羈押，但是法院無保請回，我們是不服的，所以這部分我們都有抗告。","quality":0.792},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-08T11:34:26.377000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:34:33.018000+08:00","text":"我們是聲請羈押，但最後地院讓他無保請回，用的理由是因為他沒有毒駕前科……","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T11:34:33.018000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-08T11:34:34.018000+08:00","text":"所以這個理由……","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-08T11:34:33.938000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:34:36.919000+08:00","text":"但他是警方列管的毒品人口……","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T11:34:36.919000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-08T11:34:39.040000+08:00","text":"對，所以我們不服。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-08T11:34:39.040000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:34:39.961000+08:00","text":"他有吸食毒品的前科。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-08T11:34:40.822000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:34:45.188000+08:00","text":"來，我先請教一下副署長，現在警方列管的毒品人口有多少位？","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"廖副署長訓誠","start":"2026-06-08T11:34:47.029000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:34:51.852000+08:00","text":"全國列管毒品人口有三千多位。","quality":0.615},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-08T11:34:52.473000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:34:52.893000+08:00","text":"三千多位？對。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-08T11:34:54.434000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:34:57.176000+08:00","text":"換言之，這三千多位，地方法院他們了不了解？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-08T11:34:58.997000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:35:11.406000+08:00","text":"就本席來看，這個案件其實非常離譜，因為他早就是警方的列管人口，所以警方遇到他才會特別認為要重點查緝，果不其然，確實他就是毒駕嘛！","quality":0.966},{"speaker":"廖副署長訓誠","start":"2026-06-08T11:35:11.906000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:35:18.689000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們移送的時候應該都會把相關的前科紀錄敘明在移送報告裡面。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-08T11:35:19.789000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:35:32.574000+08:00","text":"結果他有前科紀錄，他的前科紀錄也有毒品前科、吸食毒品的惡習，也有涉嫌公共危險跟傷害案件，這樣的一個嫌犯，到最後地院居然可以無保請回！","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"廖副署長訓誠","start":"2026-06-08T11:35:32.734000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:35:34.215000+08:00","text":"所以這個我們沒有辦法接受！","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-08T11:35:34.575000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:35:36.276000+08:00","text":"會不會太恐龍了一點？","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖副署長訓誠","start":"2026-06-08T11:35:36.276000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:35:37.416000+08:00","text":"我是沒辦法接受！好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-08T11:35:37.516000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:35:46.668000+08:00","text":"部長，我知道因為這是法院的判決，你們現在已經有馬上提出抗告嘛，對不對？","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T11:35:46.668000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:35:47.449000+08:00","text":"這個已經抗告了。好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-08T11:35:48.009000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:35:53.654000+08:00","text":"甚至這個案件最離譜的地方……我要求檢方一定要以最快速度提起抗告，為什麼？","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T11:35:53.654000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:35:54.454000+08:00","text":"已經抗告了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-08T11:35:55.095000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:36:04.702000+08:00","text":"好，我要告訴你，因為地院還有講這個嫌犯表達願意跟員警和解，我都不知道嫌犯是要跟員警和解什麼？","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-08T11:36:05.520000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:36:24.207000+08:00","text":"然後昨天出來一個新聞，這位所長在病房裡面，結果嫌犯的家屬拿了兩盒水果硬闖病房，莫名其妙嘛，我覺得這根本已經涉嫌讓我們的執勤同仁、公務人員心生畏懼啊！","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-08T11:36:25.147000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:36:27.028000+08:00","text":"我知道你的病房在哪裡耶！","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-08T11:36:27.028000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:36:32.535000+08:00","text":"你被我撞傷了，然後我拿兩盒水果來看你，我覺得真的是非常離譜的事情！","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T11:36:32.695000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:36:35.797000+08:00","text":"我們也是這樣覺得，我們的看法跟委員一樣。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-08T11:36:35.797000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:36:37.759000+08:00","text":"好，我們一起讓毒駕零容忍。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-08T11:36:37.999000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:36:55.074000+08:00","text":"但是拉回來，其實剛剛部長回復委員質詢的時候，我覺得你有進入狀況，關於毒駕跟酒駕最大的不同，其實我也質詢過警政署署長，以前我們都認為酒駕相對比較氾濫，為什麼？","quality":0.887},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-08T11:36:55.074000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:37:14.769000+08:00","text":"因為有一些餐會、宴會，大多數，不敢講百分百，但大多數是喝完酒之後、餐會完之後開車，喝酒沒有犯法，但是喝酒開車犯法，所以我們要列為重點項目，尤其可能尾牙季的時候多來臨檢。","quality":0.986},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-08T11:37:14.769000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:37:22.337000+08:00","text":"但現在毒駕不一樣，您剛剛有做一個動作的比喻，以前我們在電影裡面看到毒品施打是什麼？","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-08T11:37:22.337000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:37:38.773000+08:00","text":"是用針筒打手臂、打血管，可能相對複雜，但現在新興毒品配合電子煙載具變成吸食非常方便，而且邊開邊吸。","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-08T11:37:40.135000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:37:48.880000+08:00","text":"換言之，當他開車如果再吸食毒品的話，那個量一旦過多過猛，什麼時候他不省人事，自己都完全不得而知。","quality":0.837},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-08T11:37:49.841000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:38:00.826000+08:00","text":"這才是為什麼現在認為毒駕比酒駕更加的嚴重，而且毒駕的傷害程度，駕車上街之後，就是一個不定時炸彈，可能是隨機攻擊，你、我都有可能是受害者。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-08T11:38:01.566000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:38:06.869000+08:00","text":"好，所以部長，我們講了那麼多，本席希望你跟我的立場是一致的。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-08T11:38:08.035000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:38:17.767000+08:00","text":"我提出來第一百八十五條之三毒駕致死的話，我要求最高應該處死刑、無期徒刑或十年以上有期徒刑，為什麼？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-08T11:38:17.767000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:38:26.687000+08:00","text":"很簡單，因為你已經是毒蟲駕車，吸毒本來就已經犯法了，吸毒之後還開車上路，邊開邊吸！","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-08T11:38:27.548000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:38:37.597000+08:00","text":"不管邊開邊吸或是怎麼樣的樣態，現在很有可能就變成一個不特定的攻擊，因此你的交通工具已經不是交通工具了，是殺人利器。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-08T11:38:38.698000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:38:56.509000+08:00","text":"所以我們才認為毒駕致死，人死是一個事實，我不管今天是什麼樣的狀況，造成別人無辜的死亡是事實，那我們就應該用最嚴厲的刑責來嚇阻，讓他知道你不能做這個事情。","quality":0.986},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-08T11:38:58.950000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:39:10.048000+08:00","text":"我請教你，法務部到最後版本居然是從三年到十年，變成五年到十二年，多增加兩年，這兩年的嚇阻效果，你的立基點跟嚇阻效果在哪裡？","quality":0.836},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T11:39:10.048000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-08T11:39:11.048000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告……","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-08T11:39:10.048000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:39:12.528000+08:00","text":"你的零容忍就只有兩年嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T11:39:12.528000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:39:24.671000+08:00","text":"毒駕會發生車禍或是致人死傷，這部分如果有不確定的殺人故意，就像我們實務上也有起訴毒駕撞到人，尤其像劉姓所長那一種的就是……","quality":0.839},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-08T11:39:25.351000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:39:26.711000+08:00","text":"劉宗鑫所長，沒錯。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T11:39:26.971000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:39:28.612000+08:00","text":"對，很不幸、很可惡的案件……","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-08T11:39:28.612000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:39:37.274000+08:00","text":"本席現在講的是，因為我們今天的專案、一次專案一天晚上可以抓到100件的毒駕，那就代表大家現在不痛不癢啊！","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-08T11:39:37.894000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:40:01.090000+08:00","text":"所以立法有兩個方式、目的跟行為，我跟部長好好探討一下，一個是真真正正告訴民眾比例原則等等的部分，但另外一個是當現在社會裡面有那麼重大的刑事時，我們也要用嚴刑峻法告訴你，這件事情在臺灣社會零容忍，所以我們會有加重處分！","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-08T11:40:02.212000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:40:10.749000+08:00","text":"目的並不是說你來犯，然後我故意要判你，不是，我是告訴你不要做這件事情，也因此本席才會提出來啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-08T11:40:11.830000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:40:22.736000+08:00","text":"我們過去到現在所有的不管是在野或執政黨委員，其實我覺得都一樣，我們沒有人是想要殺生，可是我們要用這樣的一個方式告訴大家：你不要做這件事情。","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-08T11:40:23.237000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:40:46.773000+08:00","text":"我相信99.9%的人也不會去做，但如果剩下0.1%毒駕的人，他以前可能存有僥倖心理，我不要他有僥倖心理，所以我才告訴他只要敢毒駕上車，第一，我要沒入車輛；第二，如果因為毒駕而致死的話，我最高判你死刑，那他可能就會思考這樣子我不要開車嘛！","quality":0.902},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-08T11:40:47.373000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:40:58.537000+08:00","text":"如果說吸毒，吸毒畢竟也是犯罪，可是那是他個人行為，他選擇留在他自己的住所，是不是用這樣的一個態度才是真真正正的零容忍？","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-08T11:40:59.818000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:41:05+08:00","text":"否則你說從十年增加兩年變成十二年，我看不出來增加那兩年的意義在哪裡啊！","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-08T11:41:08.066000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:41:09.507000+08:00","text":"加一下，加一些吧！","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T11:41:09.507000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-08T11:41:11.628000+08:00","text":"有啦，一級毒品依托咪酯……","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-08T11:41:11.628000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:41:12.248000+08:00","text":"這個不是「有啦」！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-08T11:41:12.808000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:41:15.249000+08:00","text":"現在是我們態度的問題啦！","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T11:41:15.249000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-08T11:41:20.211000+08:00","text":"現在6月17日依托咪酯跟依托咪酯酸要開毒審會議了。","quality":0.238},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-08T11:41:20.211000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:41:20.772000+08:00","text":"一級毒品嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-08T11:41:21.432000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:41:25.133000+08:00","text":"一級毒品是製毒、販毒最高處死刑嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T11:41:25.133000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-08T11:41:26.133000+08:00","text":"可以判死刑。","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-08T11:41:25.273000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:41:27.895000+08:00","text":"那吸食一級毒品呢？","quality":0.375},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T11:41:28.795000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:41:31.577000+08:00","text":"施用一級的話，是六個月以上五年以下。","quality":0.688},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-08T11:41:31.937000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:41:49.326000+08:00","text":"是啊，但是我們現在講的是毒駕，所以本席開宗明義講，我們不知道未來有沒有更多的新興毒品，因為科技在進步，但本席今天就是要利用這個機會表達立場，告訴國人，政府跟我們是一體的。","quality":0.805},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-08T11:41:50.026000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:42:05.633000+08:00","text":"現在大家很擔心毒駕的問題，也不希望我遵守交通規則走在路上，但突然間哪一個人開車橫衝直撞，因為他是毒品的吸食者，而造成我們的生命財產安全受到危害，也因此我們才會說把刑責提高。","quality":0.825},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-08T11:42:06.113000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:42:14.276000+08:00","text":"而現在臺灣社會……好嘛，民進黨政府過去一直講我們沒有廢除死刑啊，沒有嘛，是不是？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-08T11:42:15.096000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:42:22.219000+08:00","text":"既然沒有廢除死刑的話，我不知道現在死刑入法，對於法務部也好，對於我們現在政府也好，不是洪水猛獸吧？","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-08T11:42:24.156000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:42:29.539000+08:00","text":"難道毒蟲駕車撞死人了，我們還要給他機會嗎？","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T11:42:29.539000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:42:46.426000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我想這個還是要去做一個區分，像毒駕不確定殺人故意去撞死人了，這個就是直接到殺人了，但如果毒駕致死，我們最重法條是到無期徒刑嘛……","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-08T11:42:47.127000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:42:47.667000+08:00","text":"你是到十二年。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T11:42:48.227000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:42:52.928000+08:00","text":"他那個是沒有前科的，沒有毒駕前科的……","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-08T11:42:53.048000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:42:54.829000+08:00","text":"所以你還要給他第二次機會？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T11:42:56.149000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:42:57.670000+08:00","text":"更不能給他第二次機會，所以才會加重到無期徒刑嘛！","quality":0.455},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-08T11:42:57.670000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:43:03.072000+08:00","text":"當然啊，所以我們才會說一次就不行了，因此我們現在要修法，把它提高……","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T11:43:03.072000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-08T11:43:04.072000+08:00","text":"我們就是因為……","quality":0},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-08T11:43:03.292000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:43:06.653000+08:00","text":"就是要告訴全國國人不能這樣做！","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T11:43:07.773000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:43:12.234000+08:00","text":"所以車子要沒收嘛，不管是誰的車子都要沒收，只要是毒駕的車子都要沒收。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"洪委員孟楷","start":"2026-06-08T11:43:12.414000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:43:17.516000+08:00","te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