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那我也很關心就是一個採尿這部分因為我們現在採尿的一個檢驗的一個制度跟相關育子的規定這個是由食藥署的這部分它有一個濫用藥物"},{"start":252.508,"end":257.357,"text":"尿液檢驗的作為的準則那我想我們都是會做這樣的一個依照這個規定來做一個處理"},{"start":259.344,"end":287.511,"text":"我支持法務部要針對提高我們的獨家的行則可是在刑法修法嚴格的同時應該要針對於跟衛福部跨部會建立一個獨家採證的SOP還有呢讓攬查跟我們的快篩跟檢驗跟送驗起訴到法院審理都能夠銜接相關的研議的一個進度是不是請法務部一個月內提供我們辦公室是好"},{"start":288.257,"end":293.461,"text":"那就麻煩我們的訪問,那部長跟副長都請回,接下來請衛福部"},{"start":304.875,"end":329.977,"text":"我過去一直在總諮詢他們部會諮詢都在追電子菸那電子菸對青少年影響非常大因為電子菸事實上是一多名只常見的一個使用載具這已經不是菸害健康的問題也牽扯到獨家跟社會安全的一個風險我當然知道國健署現在在談青少年電子菸使用率主要是引用青少年吸菸劑健康行為調查那這個調查也參考WHO跟"},{"start":332.219,"end":346.044,"text":"美國的CDC的方法有專業基礎我不否定但我要問的是衛福部怎麼處理這個調查方法本身的限制第一這是學生無記名的自填問卷所以電子菸現在違法宣導加強力道"},{"start":347.544,"end":368.316,"text":"學生有可能會怕被知道不敢承認造成了低報所以我們看你們也講數據有下降所以衛福部知不知道有沒有去做就是思考如何利用問卷修正技術來修正或是用校安的通報衛生局裁罰跟網路的查記跟警證資料或電子"},{"start":369.211,"end":391.241,"text":"煙的那個查緝平台的資料和問卷結果的交叉比對有去做這些嗎有報告委員我們從去年底我們已經開始在檢討因為也會擔心有低估的問題所以我們去年底重新在檢討相關的調查方法可不可以有些精進那現在有已經討論出來了嗎檢討了那已經有新的那個調查新的方法應該是明年會實測所以今年還是不會應該兩年一次計畫"},{"start":396.644,"end":422.672,"text":"因為這個調查母體既然是在校學生那CDC也有說這是調查的一個限制因為不包含中輟休學你調查還是校內學生還有長期缺課或非在學的那個青少年可是這些小孩反而事實上是電子煙違禁那個有煙油的那個曝露風險會更高的一群所以更需要我們的支持所以衛福部你有沒有跟教育部警政署社家署地方的"},{"start":423.452,"end":438.72,"text":"邵府會建立一個補充的監測機制這群人你們現在是沒辦法掌握到的因為可能過往都比較偏向科學性的調查那我想未來可能也請兒少代表告訴也可以參與應該怎麼可以修正整個調查的方式"},{"start":441.381,"end":457.587,"text":"可能我要請你們提供這些相關的資料給我們是說你們接下來準備怎麼做不是說MaybeMaybe就是好像不確定因為為什麼因為我們總是要去掌握這一群這一群人反而事實上是接觸的使用率事實上是比較高的"},{"start":458.447,"end":481.347,"text":"那我就要接著問說調查後你到底怎麼用因為這份青少年的吸菸劑健康行為的調查不只是問使用率也有問電子菸取得的方式銷售點的廣告或是促銷同儕跟親友的來源換句話說政府你不是沒有資料而是這些資料有沒有真正的轉成是政策所以我先確認一次性這樣子"},{"start":482.648,"end":496.875,"text":"全國性的調查的完整預算是多少因為我掌握到的是114年光是行政樹木管理標案就是大約400萬如果加上失策人員的訓練跟其他成本的話大概至少500萬這個數字是不是正確的是正確的嗎"},{"start":502.406,"end":531.552,"text":"如果現在沒辦法回答的話因為時間關係可能就要再麻煩會後提供因為為什麼 因為我覺得請你們要提供這完整的包含行政事務 私策的訓練資料的一個處理跟統計方式跟報告撰寫跟署內的人力的成本請提供給我那我更要問的是說花了這些資源做調查最後形成什麼政策因為我常常覺得數據才可以去引導政策那你如果調查完數據只訴諸高閣沒有用"},{"start":532.267,"end":555.322,"text":"好 就有關電子菸的部分我們大概是從三個階段一個就是從源頭的供應再來就是中段的販售還有最後的查處那我們大概是從這樣上中下游的方式來做一個整個電子菸的紡織那再來就是可能也有提供給校方包括老師有關整個電子菸的一個理解電子菸跟加熱菸的不同或者一些相關的辨識資料"},{"start":557.834,"end":581.589,"text":"副署長 問卷都已經問到 新少年最近一次電子菸從哪裡取得是網路平台 社群網站 通學親友跟實體店面還是免費取得如果這些資料沒有變成具體後端你持續去做追蹤的話沒有對應到平台要不要下架 衛生局去稽查警政的溯源 教育部的校園通報的話那根本就是沒有意義的"},{"start":582.469,"end":608.618,"text":"既然做出來了然後沒有後續的那怎麼可能解決問題呢所以我要求衛福部一個月內提出書面報告因為調查不能只是公佈百分比百分比有得到結果沒有後端的因應措施的話是沒有用的所以我也不能只是說使用率下降既然政府做這麼詳細調查就應該拿來轉為政策工具來清楚說明這些調查之後我怎麼去應對措施多久一個月內OK嗎好一個月內給委員資料好謝謝"},{"start":612.332,"end":613.241,"text":"好 謝謝林委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-06-08T11:44:07.803000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:44:07.963000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-06-08T11:44:08.584000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:44:11.446000+08:00","text":"有請法務部部長跟警政署副署長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-08T11:44:11.446000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:44:16.049000+08:00","text":"好，請部長跟副署長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T11:44:16.049000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:44:16.349000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-06-08T11:44:17.710000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:44:18.471000+08:00","text":"部長早。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-06-08T11:44:20.972000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:44:38.864000+08:00","text":"我長期關注我們的道路安全，所以我當然也支持行政院要加重毒駕的刑責，因為毒駕危害道路安全，政府必須要趕快處理，不過我覺得除了重罰以外，應該還要看到配套。","quality":0.899},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-06-08T11:44:39.145000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:44:56.661000+08:00","text":"我先請教一下警政署，酒駕臨檢事實上可以針對高風險的地區，甚至某一些時間點或某一些路段，像喝春酒或者是尾牙的時候，你們可能會加強去部署，來提高嚇阻的效果。是。","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-06-08T11:44:57.301000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:44:57.301000+08:00","text":"毒駕呢？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"廖副署長訓誠","start":"2026-06-08T11:44:59.037000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:45:12.366000+08:00","text":"毒駕也是針對……每一個縣市的轄區狀況不一樣，有一些可能是毒品人口比較多的地方，那個地方就會列為高風險的臨檢處所。","quality":0.902},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-06-08T11:45:12.726000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:45:14.287000+08:00","text":"那你的時間點要怎麼抓呢？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-06-08T11:45:14.428000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:45:22.673000+08:00","text":"因為我們看酒駕，你們有時候會選擇在晚上的時間，我想問你們到底怎麼去因應？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-06-08T11:45:24.854000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:45:27.716000+08:00","text":"有擴大臨檢的規劃了嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-06-08T11:45:28.056000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:45:32.880000+08:00","text":"執行的時間點跟勤務的策略要怎麼設計，才能夠提高查緝的效果？","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"廖副署長訓誠","start":"2026-06-08T11:45:33.520000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:45:46.528000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們5月份開始都已經有做擴大的專案，包括全國性的專案、各縣市警察局自己的專案，都是針對毒駕攔檢的勤務。","quality":0.922},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-06-08T11:45:47.229000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:45:48.469000+08:00","text":"有1個月了嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-06-08T11:45:48.469000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:45:48.990000+08:00","text":"效果如何？","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖副署長訓誠","start":"2026-06-08T11:45:50.656000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:45:54.279000+08:00","text":"5月份大概明顯增加很多毒駕的案件。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-06-08T11:45:56.241000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:46:00.164000+08:00","text":"好，我也要再續問，警政署如何協助第一線員警？","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-06-08T11:46:00.365000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:46:05.169000+08:00","text":"因為酒駕，車窗搖下來，你大概看他整個狀態，你都可以判讀出來。","quality":1},{"speaker":"廖副署長訓誠","start":"2026-06-08T11:46:05.169000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-08T11:46:06.169000+08:00","text":"有酒測器。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-06-08T11:46:05.829000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:46:06.370000+08:00","text":"針對疑似毒駕怎麼去辨識？","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"廖副署長訓誠","start":"2026-06-08T11:46:10.974000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:46:25.186000+08:00","text":"第一個，車子有沒有異常的狀況，是不是有搖擺，或者是忽快忽慢的這些狀況，這是從外觀的情狀來判斷車子的部分。","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"廖副署長訓誠","start":"2026-06-08T11:46:25.586000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:46:33.753000+08:00","text":"另外一個，攔下來之後，利用我們現在的快篩試劑，來檢測是不是有毒駕的陽性反應。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-06-08T11:46:33.753000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:46:41.549000+08:00","text":"所以所有的警政人員都已經有做教育訓練跟判斷指引？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-06-08T11:46:43.231000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:46:45.612000+08:00","text":"整個快篩銜接的流程都已經做了？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"廖副署長訓誠","start":"2026-06-08T11:46:46.413000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:46:47.974000+08:00","text":"是，當然，我們作業程序都已經發下去了。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-06-08T11:46:48.174000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:46:49.315000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝副署長。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"廖副署長訓誠","start":"2026-06-08T11:46:49.315000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-08T11:46:50.755000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-06-08T11:46:50.755000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:47:15.971000+08:00","text":"部長，酒駕有酒駕值，毒駕涉及到不同毒品、不同代謝時間、不同檢體，第一線執法跟法院認定都更複雜了，我想問的是，依托咪酯這類毒品有專家指出它代謝速度快，如果採檢的時間延後的話，尿液的濃度可能會下降，甚至驗不到，這部分法務部怎麼因應？","quality":0.922},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T11:47:17.771000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:47:44.011000+08:00","text":"這部分在採尿的就是由現場執行的警察同仁來做處理，當然，我們也知道這個特性，警方在查緝的時候，因為他用快篩試劑，他很快就會判斷有沒有施用毒品，可以立即來採尿，因為依托咪酯半衰期短，很快就沒有了，我想這部分大家都在搶時間。","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-06-08T11:47:46.092000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:47:59.980000+08:00","text":"再來續問，如果未來唾液快篩陽性是作為第一線即時攔阻、人車分離跟後續採驗的依據，還是會進一步成為我們刑法責任的依據？","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T11:48:01.581000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:48:18.337000+08:00","text":"委員關心的採尿部分，因為現在採尿檢驗的制度跟相關閾值的規定，這部分在食藥署有濫用藥物尿液檢驗作業準則，我們都會依照這個規定來處理。","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-06-08T11:48:20.344000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:48:48.491000+08:00","text":"我支持法務部要提高毒駕的刑責，可是在刑法修法嚴格的同時，應該要跟衛福部跨部會建立毒駕採證的SOP，還有讓攔查、快篩、採驗、送驗、起訴到法院審理都能夠銜接，相關研議的進度是不是請法務部1個月內提供給我們辦公室？好。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-06-08T11:48:49.257000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:48:50.118000+08:00","text":"那就麻煩法務部。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T11:48:50.118000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-08T11:48:51.919000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-06-08T11:48:51.919000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:48:53.320000+08:00","text":"部長跟副署長都請回。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-06-08T11:48:53.600000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:48:54.441000+08:00","text":"接下來請衛福部。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-06-08T11:49:05.875000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:49:22.970000+08:00","text":"我過去一直在總質詢和部會質詢追電子煙，電子煙對青少年影響非常大，因為電子煙事實上是依托咪酯常見的使用載具，這已經不是菸害健康的問題，也牽扯到毒駕跟社會安全的風險。","quality":0.842},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-06-08T11:49:22.970000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:49:41.562000+08:00","text":"我當然知道國健署現在在談青少年電子煙使用率，主要是引用青少年吸菸暨健康行為調查，這個調查也參考WHO跟美國CDC的方法，有專業基礎，我不否定，但我要問的是，衛福部怎麼處理這個調查方法本身的限制？","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-06-08T11:49:41.862000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:50:15.473000+08:00","text":"第一，這是學生無記名的自填問卷，現在加強力道宣導電子煙違法，學生有可能怕被知道而不敢承認，造成低報，我們看你們也講到數據有下降，衛福部有沒有思考如何修正問卷，或是用校安的通報、衛生局裁罰、網路的查緝、警政資料、電子煙查緝平臺的資料和問卷結果的交叉比對，有做這些嗎？","quality":0.891},{"speaker":"魏副署長璽倫","start":"2026-06-08T11:50:15.473000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:50:25.638000+08:00","text":"有，報告委員，從去年底我們已經開始在檢討，因為也會擔心有低估的問題，所以我們去年底重新檢討相關的調查方法可不可以有些精進。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-06-08T11:50:26.118000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:50:28.199000+08:00","text":"現在已經討論出來了嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-06-08T11:50:28.199000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:50:30.080000+08:00","text":"檢討了，已經有新的調查方法嗎？","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"魏副署長璽倫","start":"2026-06-08T11:50:31.060000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:50:31.761000+08:00","text":"新的方法應該是明年會施測。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-06-08T11:50:31.761000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:50:32.081000+08:00","text":"所以今年還不會？","quality":1},{"speaker":"魏副署長璽倫","start":"2026-06-08T11:50:32.081000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:50:32.241000+08:00","text":"對，因為這是兩年一次計畫。","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-06-08T11:50:38.204000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:51:07.154000+08:00","text":"這個調查母體既然是在校學生，CDC也有說這是調查的限制，不包含中輟、休學，你的調查還是校內學生，也沒包括長期缺課或非在學的青少年，可是這些小孩反而是暴露在電子煙、違禁煙油風險更高的一群，所以更需要我們的支持，衛福部有沒有跟教育部、警政署、社家署、地方的少輔會建立補充的監測機制？","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-06-08T11:51:08.654000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:51:10.535000+08:00","text":"這群人你們現在是沒辦法掌握到的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"魏副署長璽倫","start":"2026-06-08T11:51:11.176000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:51:19.700000+08:00","text":"報告委員，因為可能過往都比較偏向科學性的調查，我想未來可能maybe請兒少代表也可以參與，看要怎麼修正調查的方式。","quality":0.792},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-06-08T11:51:23.041000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:51:31.684000+08:00","text":"我要請你們提供相關的資料給我們，你們接下來準備怎麼做，不是說「maybe」，「maybe」就是好像不確定。","quality":0.956},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-06-08T11:51:32.405000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:51:32.825000+08:00","text":"為什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-06-08T11:51:32.825000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:51:38.567000+08:00","text":"因為我們要去掌握這一群人，這一群人事實上是接觸的使用率是比較高的。好。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-06-08T11:51:39.727000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:51:42.790000+08:00","text":"我接著問，調查後你到底要怎麼用？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-06-08T11:51:43.170000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:51:59.865000+08:00","text":"因為這份青少年吸菸暨健康行為的調查，不只是問使用率，也有問電子煙取得的方式、銷售點的廣告或是促銷、同儕跟親友的來源，換句話說，政府不是沒有資料，而是這些資料有沒有真正轉換成政策。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-06-08T11:52:00.645000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:52:05.669000+08:00","text":"所以我先確認，全國性的完整調查預算是多少？","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-06-08T11:52:05.889000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:52:17.035000+08:00","text":"因為我掌握到的是114年，光是行政庶務管理標案大約400萬，如果加上施測人員的訓練跟其他成本的話，大概至少500萬，這個數字是不是正確的？","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-06-08T11:52:23.406000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:52:27.087000+08:00","text":"如果現在沒辦法回答的話，因為時間關係，可能要麻煩會後提供。","quality":1},{"speaker":"魏副署長璽倫","start":"2026-06-08T11:52:27.087000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-08T11:52:29.807000+08:00","text":"好，會後再給委員資料。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-06-08T11:52:29.807000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:52:39.229000+08:00","text":"請你們要提供完整的資料，包含行政庶務、施測訓練、資料處理、統計方式、報告撰寫、署內人力的成本，請提供給我。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-06-08T11:52:40.810000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:52:45.611000+08:00","text":"我要問的是，花了這些資源做調查，最後形成什麼政策？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-06-08T11:52:46.731000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:52:52.532000+08:00","text":"因為我常常覺得數據才可以去引導政策，你如果調查完數據只是束之高閣，這樣沒有用。","quality":0.861},{"speaker":"魏副署長璽倫","start":"2026-06-08T11:52:53.847000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:53:06.235000+08:00","text":"有關電子煙的部分，我們大概從三個階段，一個就是從源頭的供應，再來就是中段的販售，還有最後的查處，我們大概是從上、中、下游的方式來做整個電子煙的防制。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"魏副署長璽倫","start":"2026-06-08T11:53:07.436000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:53:16.302000+08:00","text":"再來，也有提供給校方，包括老師，有關整個電子煙，包括理解電子煙跟加熱菸的不同，或者一些相關的辨識資料。","quality":0.911},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-06-08T11:53:18.834000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:53:29.421000+08:00","text":"副署長，問卷都已經問到青少年最近一次電子煙從哪裡取得，是網路平臺、社群網站、同學親友、實體店面還是免費取得？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-06-08T11:53:29.921000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:53:47.190000+08:00","text":"如果這些資料沒有變成具體後端持續去做追蹤，也沒有對應到平臺要不要下架、衛生局去稽查、警政溯源、教育部校園通報的話，那根本就是沒有意義的，因為你既然做出來了，沒有後續，怎麼可能解決問題？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-06-08T11:53:47.550000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:53:56.334000+08:00","text":"所以我要求衛福部1個月內提出書面報告，調查不能只是公布百分比，百分比有得到結果，沒有後端的因應措施的話是沒有用的。","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-06-08T11:53:56.654000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:54:06.997000+08:00","text":"所以也不能只是說使用率下降，既然政府做這麼詳細的調查，就應該拿來轉為政策工具，來清楚說明這些調查之後，我們怎麼去應對、措施？","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-06-08T11:54:08.478000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:54:08.938000+08:00","text":"1個月內提供，OK嗎？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"魏副署長璽倫","start":"2026-06-08T11:54:08.938000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:54:09.618000+08:00","text":"好，1個月內給委員資料，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員月琴","start":"2026-06-08T11:54:13.332000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:54:14.079000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-08T11:54:14.079000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T11:54:14.241000+08:00","text":"謝謝林委員。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-08T11:54:14.741000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-08T11:54:24.741000+08:00","text":"先處理會議時間，我們上午會議時間就繼續進行到所有登記發言委員詢答結束為止。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-08T11:54:25.041000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-08T11:54:28.183857+08:00","text":"接下來請謝衣鳯委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}