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他那個彰化他們可能有強制處分庭齁因為我對彰化第一院法院他們那個法官他那個所以同一個法官他用的理由都一樣嗎就是說陽性快篩不能當作這個預防羈押的理由然後呢或是認為說這個毒販他沒有反覆實施同一個犯罪行為嗎"},{"start":177.329,"end":194.417,"text":"他那個第一次的確是委員講的就是說那個推快篩不能當作申請羈押的一個認定他有獨家的一個室友那第二次的認為是說他第二次的他放掉無保遣回他是用那個沒有防護實施之餘"},{"start":195.487,"end":209.684,"text":"對啊 其實就差不多嘛 差不多的理由啊但是 我就懷疑說那為什麼這個法官對於獨駕這件事情而且是撞斷腿喔 他是跑到死巷之後 然後倒車"},{"start":210.825,"end":239.035,"text":"把這一個所長的水撞斷然後認為說他們有反覆實施之餘所以我們也不服嘛 我們的看法就跟委員的一樣嘛我們沒辦法接受這種的無保簽的你們沒辦法接受 你們是直接提抗告而已啊抗告的話我們會詳述這個這個有羈押必要的一個事由那你們剛開始有羈押必要你一定都寫得很清楚啊它是毒塞 也是陽性啊所以要給二審 現在是有抗告到到那個"},{"start":240.655,"end":260.854,"text":"不是 這個判決 跟大家的嘗試 落差太大了那我們政府喊得這麼大聲說要嚴懲嚴抓 結果連地方法院都說 阿烏包請回把所長的腿都撞斷了 阿烏包請回這個是我們沒辦法接受的"},{"start":262.136,"end":283.799,"text":"所以我們認為這個獨駕的確是很可惡造成用戶人的安全甚至質詢員警的這些的安全甚至還有以前發生過獨駕撞死撞死了就在有三重啊去年啊就在有三重啊所以那個警察官所以後來我們才把伊多米子從三級提升到二級現在要把二級提升到一級啊對啊那竟然是同一個法官"},{"start":284.793,"end":300.29,"text":"我不曉得他的法學素養為什麼跟我們一般老百姓的法學常識落差這麼大也跟您有落差吧我沒辦法接受你沒辦法接受那我問你 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這個跟這個法務部有相關"},{"start":437.662,"end":459.92,"text":"現在暑假快到了啦然後這個我們也很擔心在暑假這段期間就是學生在使用電子菸或是毒品這方面有可能趨勢會上升那你們現在是說在開學之後你們會針對我老師是高風險的學生還是怎麼樣你們有一個就是利用這個脫衣快篩來測試的一個對象嗎是這樣子嗎"},{"start":463.102,"end":489.516,"text":"跟委員報告我們有一個特定人員名冊的一個題列就是會針對高風險的這個個案或是過去可能曾經也有這個吸毒的學生或是休學之後再復學的這些學生會建立這個名冊所以你們有這個名冊我們會定期有一個名冊的建立這個名冊大概全國有多少大概名冊你知道嗎大概八千八千好那問一下那你們現在打算到各個學校去做這一個"},{"start":490.68,"end":512.331,"text":"那個拖曳快篩的大概數量是多少拖曳快篩四季夠嗎目前的四季是先採購五千季會來先協助到我們22縣市跟學校會先用分配的一個概念先協助他們那已經也跟內政部就是警政署合作會納入我們的共同公益契約每個學校兩季都不到啊"},{"start":515.012,"end":532.956,"text":"因為這個時間點就是我們先採購就是後續他們目前也都還有尿液篩檢的這個機制那因為是多重管道我們想說先搭配可能還有些學校會觀望那我問一下部長我們這個法國部是不是有一個毒品防治基金這方面可以來一併來做處理嗎毒品防治基金就是補助那個就是各部會的有關毒品防治的這些的經會"},{"start":543.53,"end":560.897,"text":"那這部分教育部他有一個校園的毒品的防治計劃這個要提他們要提計劃由教育部來提對啊我意思說就是校園要抽一塊塞這個啊這部分他們可以提請教育部來跟法務部來提這個需求好不好我們希望我們當然不希望說"},{"start":562.199,"end":562.859,"text":"接下來我們有請王宏偉議員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-06-08T12:00:17.089000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:00:17.953000+08:00","text":"（12時）好，謝謝主席。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-06-08T12:00:18.776000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:00:19.860000+08:00","text":"我們請法務部鄭部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-08T12:00:20+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:00:20.020000+08:00","text":"請鄭部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T12:00:24.835000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:00:25.115000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-06-08T12:00:25.656000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:00:26.396000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-06-08T12:00:26.677000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:00:48.114000+08:00","text":"今天大家都很關心毒駕的問題，因為這兩件毒駕都是發生在彰化，一件是發生在5月30日，他已經是吸毒自駕撞到了，當場驗唾液快篩也呈現陽性，結果檢察官有想要預防性羈押，但彰化地方法院又判他無保請回。","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-06-08T12:00:51.677000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:01:07.447000+08:00","text":"隔幾天不到一個禮拜，6月4日這件更嚴重，他是撞到了一位陳姓分所長，導致這位分所長的雙腿被撞斷，以及一位員警的雙手受傷，他也被送到法院，後來也無保請回了。","quality":0.731},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-06-08T12:01:07.768000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:01:12.531000+08:00","text":"我先請問一下部長，在彰化地方法院，這兩件案件都是同一位法官審理嗎？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T12:01:12.531000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:01:12.711000+08:00","text":"這個要司法院來……","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-06-08T12:01:12.771000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:01:12.791000+08:00","text":"不是啊！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-06-08T12:01:12.931000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:01:13.891000+08:00","text":"你們一定知道是不是同一位法官。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T12:01:24.731000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:01:24.951000+08:00","text":"我們沒有去問……","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-06-08T12:01:24.951000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:01:25.332000+08:00","text":"怎麼會沒有去問呢？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-06-08T12:01:25.332000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:01:25.632000+08:00","text":"是不是同一位法官？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T12:01:25.952000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:01:25.952000+08:00","text":"這個我……","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-06-08T12:01:25.992000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:01:26.132000+08:00","text":"這個不能跟大家講嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-06-08T12:01:26.132000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:01:26.212000+08:00","text":"這有什麼難處？","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T12:01:26.212000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:01:26.292000+08:00","text":"我們針對個案沒有……","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-06-08T12:01:26.553000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:01:27.113000+08:00","text":"這不是什麼個案，這是大家都很關注的案子啊！","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T12:01:27.213000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:01:27.333000+08:00","text":"我想媒體應該會關心去問……","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-06-08T12:01:27.333000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:01:27.393000+08:00","text":"不是媒體啊！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-06-08T12:01:27.393000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:01:27.554000+08:00","text":"我在這邊問你，你叫我去問媒體？","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-06-08T12:01:27.554000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:01:28.154000+08:00","text":"是不是同一位法官？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-06-08T12:01:53.042000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:01:54.083000+08:00","text":"這有什麼好難回答的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T12:01:54.343000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:01:56.305000+08:00","text":"我們沒有這部分的資訊。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-06-08T12:01:56.305000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:01:57.085000+08:00","text":"沒有這部分的資訊？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-06-08T12:01:57.085000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:01:58.787000+08:00","text":"怎麼會沒有這部分的資訊呢？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-06-08T12:01:59.767000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:02:07.473000+08:00","text":"檢察官要預防性羈押，第一個發生在5月30日那件，你們有提抗告嘛，對不對？","quality":0.793},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T12:02:07.473000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:02:08.054000+08:00","text":"兩件都有提抗告。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-06-08T12:02:08.474000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:02:10.095000+08:00","text":"兩件都有提抗告。對啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-06-08T12:02:10.456000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:02:12.257000+08:00","text":"提抗告居然不知道是不是同一位法官？","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T12:02:12.898000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:02:16.380000+08:00","text":"因為那個抗告不會寫法官，它是寫被告跟案號。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-06-08T12:02:16.961000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:02:19.823000+08:00","text":"不是，所以你知不知道是不是同一位法官？","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T12:02:20.243000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:02:20.503000+08:00","text":"我再去問。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-06-08T12:02:21.458000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:02:27.221000+08:00","text":"在我質詢時間之內，你現在馬上問，這個不能回答嗎？","quality":0.619},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T12:02:28.721000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:02:30.142000+08:00","text":"我現在馬上問。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-06-08T12:02:30.182000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:02:31.403000+08:00","text":"現在馬上問。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-06-08T12:02:31.783000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:02:34.064000+08:00","text":"我看你早上也是震怒嘛！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T12:02:35.224000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:02:35.785000+08:00","text":"對，我沒辦法接受！","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T12:02:37.906000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:02:38.666000+08:00","text":"是同一位法官。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-06-08T12:02:39.026000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:02:40.487000+08:00","text":"是同一位法官？對。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-06-08T12:02:41.267000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:02:42.148000+08:00","text":"怎麼這麼巧又同一位法官？","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T12:02:43.188000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:02:49.190000+08:00","text":"這個我不知道，他們彰化地院可能有強制處分庭，因為我對彰化地方法院的法官……","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-06-08T12:02:50.451000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:02:53.432000+08:00","text":"所以同一位法官所用的理由都一樣嗎？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-06-08T12:02:53.432000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:03:04.676000+08:00","text":"就是快篩陽性不能當作預防羈押的理由，或是認為這個毒駕者沒有反覆實施同一個犯罪行為嗎？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T12:03:06.789000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:03:23.397000+08:00","text":"第一次的確如委員所述，認為唾液快篩不能當作聲請羈押認定他有毒駕的事由；第二次無保請回，理由是沒有反覆實施之虞。","quality":0.647},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-06-08T12:03:25.869000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:03:28.232000+08:00","text":"這其實就差不多的理由啊！","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-06-08T12:03:29.193000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:03:35.921000+08:00","text":"我就懷疑為什麼這位法官對於毒駕這件事情……而且是撞斷腿喔！","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-06-08T12:03:36.421000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:03:44.066000+08:00","text":"他是跑到死巷之後倒車，把所長的腿撞斷，然後法官認為他沒有反覆實施之虞？","quality":0.844},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T12:03:44.867000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:03:45.587000+08:00","text":"所以我們也不服嘛！","quality":1},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T12:03:45.747000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:03:50.449000+08:00","text":"我們的看法就跟委員一樣，我們沒辦法接受這種無保請回的理由。","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-06-08T12:03:50.549000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:03:53.029000+08:00","text":"你們沒辦法接受，你們就只能提抗告而已啊！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T12:03:53.170000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:03:58.391000+08:00","text":"提抗告我們就會詳述有羈押必要的事由。","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-06-08T12:03:59.272000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:04:04.473000+08:00","text":"但剛開始時，對於有羈押必要的理由應該都寫得很清楚，而且他快篩陽性！","quality":0.533},{"speaker":"鄭部長銘謙","start":"2026-06-08T12:04:05.014000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:04:06.874000+08:00","text":"所以要向二審抗告，現在抗告到臺中高分院。","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-06-08T12:04:11.737000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:04:16.481000+08:00","text":"這個判決跟大家的常識落差太大了！","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-06-08T12:04:1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rt":"2026-06-08T12:09:29.596000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-08T12:09:30.596000+08:00","text":"如果經費有不足之處，請法務部再提供協助，好不好？謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"李委員坤城","start":"2026-06-08T12:09:30.596000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-08T12:09:31.596000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-08T12:09:31.596000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-08T12:09:32.596000+08:00","text":"謝謝李委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-08T12:09:31.199000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:09:31.859000+08:00","text":"接下來請王鴻薇委員發言。","quality":0.545}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}