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這應該是食藥署的我們先請食藥署來回答跟委員報告 那這個預值的部分我們在競速會召開會議來討論那目前會朝向下調降的方式來實施好 所謂競速大概準備什麼時候呢預計一個月內一個月內喔會完成公告"},{"start":413.615,"end":422.521,"text":"一個月內完成公告好那我請問一下你們是要向下調降法定預值現在是現在是五十嘛對不對現在是五十是目前是五十"},{"start":429.106,"end":444.345,"text":"那你們要往下調整是大概會到因為這個要衡量到所有國內在執行尿液檢驗的檢驗機關他的儀器設備跟他的實驗室能力那經過我們初步了解的話目前國內的實驗室絕大多數應該可以調降就是降低大概到25nm應該是沒有問題"},{"start":446.508,"end":472.02,"text":"所以可以降低到一半是所以不要讓他可以僥倖因為他的半衰期非常快然後就可以僥倖的就是逃脫這樣子是的好 謝謝這點蠻重要那個我們警政署副組長要補充嗎那這個部分我們也是配合那個食藥署這邊做當然他預執做調整之後我們除了這個檢驗之外另外就是快速檢驗的部分這包括三大檢驗機構他的一個檢驗的時間我們希望能夠盡量縮短"},{"start":476.367,"end":502.162,"text":"就是檢驗要快速然後把定的預值調降不要讓他們僥倖過關這點是非常重要的這樣子可以讓更多你就是說你心存僥倖你吸食這些毒品不管是我剛剛講說不管是伊脫米子其實很多你包含包含安非他命都是一樣他的都很快的他只要能夠拖拖拖拖幾個小時之後他就他就過關了好不好好謝謝"},{"start":505.609,"end":507.809,"text":"好 謝謝王委員 那接下來我們有請"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-06-08T12:10:08.291000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:10:08.551000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-06-08T12:10:10.452000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:10:23.257000+08:00","text":"請內政部警政署副署長、衛福部國健署及食藥署的兩位副署長。","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-06-08T12:10:23.257000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:10:30.300000+08:00","text":"另外，請數發部數位產業署平臺經濟組組長。","quality":0.611},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-08T12:10:30.300000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-08T12:10:31.401000+08:00","text":"請內政部警政署副署長、衛福部國健署及食藥署的兩位副署長、數發部數位產業署平臺經濟組組長。","quality":0.098},{"speaker":"廖副署長訓誠","start":"2026-06-08T12:10:31.401000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:10:31.401000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-06-08T12:10:38.305000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:10:38.565000+08:00","text":"大家好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-06-08T12:10:39.326000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:10:56.359000+08:00","text":"先請教國健署和數位產業署，今天談到為什麼喪屍煙彈會那麼容易取得？","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-06-08T12:10:57.440000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:11:04.968000+08:00","text":"這當然跟載具即電子煙的氾濫有關。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-06-08T12:11:04.968000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:11:24.560000+08:00","text":"非常諷刺的是，我們現在事實上是禁止電子煙的，可是今天不管是在馬路上、在校園裡，甚至在立法院，或我過去所服務的臺北市議會，抽電子煙的人其實非常、非常多。","quality":0.836},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-06-08T12:11:25.220000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:11:33.444000+08:00","text":"記得在臺北市議會的女廁門上，還有人特別提醒：不要在廁所裡抽電子煙！","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-06-08T12:11:35.013000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:11:40.639000+08:00","text":"也就是說電子煙的氾濫已經是一個公開的秘密，這也是我說荒謬的原因所在。","quality":0.594},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-06-08T12:11:40.639000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:11:41.140000+08:00","text":"為什麼電子煙可以這麼容易取得？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-06-08T12:11:41.220000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:11:54.371000+08:00","text":"其實跟網路上的取得容易且便宜大有關係。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-06-08T12:11:54.531000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:12:04.715000+08:00","text":"我知道衛福部針對販賣電子煙實施了網路封網，但我必須講，成效不彰！","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-06-08T12:12:06.036000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:12:14.201000+08:00","text":"以吸食電子煙的民眾來說，其實很容易取得，且會由地上轉為地下。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-06-08T12:12:16.802000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:12:34.811000+08:00","text":"由於在網路上會被你們抓到，或者會被處分，所以現在很多人都使用LINE群組直接溝通、直接詢問，看有什麼樣的口味及價格，這些在LINE群組裡非常、非常多。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-06-08T12:12:35.811000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:12:54.062000+08:00","text":"另外，即便你們封網，他們也可以掛羊頭賣狗肉，他們講這不是電子煙，像這個網站是你們沒有封到的，所謂一次性煙桿，裡面東西非常、非常多，任君選擇。","quality":0.836},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-06-08T12:12:54.062000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:13:04.333000+08:00","text":"所以我要講的是，喪屍煙彈之所以防不勝防，是來自於電子煙的氾濫，而且是長期氾濫又非常便宜。","quality":0.85},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-06-08T12:13:05.512000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:13:10.057000+08:00","text":"可能很多人出國時，比如去日本、韓國，都還會幫忙帶回來。","quality":0.826},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-06-08T12:13:12.860000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:13:15.503000+08:00","text":"我有詢問過，價錢才兩百多塊、三百多塊，樣式多，也很fashion。","quality":0.679},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-06-08T12:13:21.489000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:13:27.254000+08:00","text":"這讓我覺得在網路上查緝電子煙非常、非常重要！","quality":0.65},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-06-08T12:13:27.874000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:13:31.697000+08:00","text":"我今天為什麼要提醒衛福部及數發部？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-06-08T12:13:33.238000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:13:34.219000+08:00","text":"尤其數發部要加把勁了！","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-06-08T12:13:35.820000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:13:50.592000+08:00","text":"今天我要特別提醒數發部，連運動部網站都被色情網站攻陷，之前是政府所有與光電有關的網站全部被色情網站攻陷，現在又出現運動部！","quality":0.825},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-06-08T12:13:52.613000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:14:05.043000+08:00","text":"數發部每年有這麼多預算，請你們要加把勁，對於電子煙在網路上的氾濫應該要有防範。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-06-08T12:14:05.744000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:14:34.479000+08:00","text":"接下來我要請問警政署及食藥署另外一個議題，其實從上週到今天的專案報告，委員關心的議題非常非常多，從上游的防堵到下游的查緝，再到法院，像剛才也有特別提到法院隨便放人，連我們部長都震怒。","quality":0.821},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-06-08T12:14:37.561000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:15:07.475000+08:00","text":"我要請問的是，現在針對喪屍煙彈特別提到的就是依托咪酯的半衰期非常短，過去甚至發生過，原來的濃度是達到法定閾值就是法定值，但是超過6個小時後就降下來了，非常快速地降下來，然後他就沒事了。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-06-08T12:15:07.555000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:15:28.048000+08:00","text":"剛才法務部部長說我們現在拚能在24小時之內要完成檢驗，但是即使如此，不只是依托咪酯，其實很多毒品的半衰期都非常非常的快，體內的濃度也非常快就降下來了。","quality":0.779},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-06-08T12:15:28.909000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:16:21.292000+08:00","text":"所以我想請問警政署及食藥署兩位副署長，有一些專家建議喪屍煙彈的毒品殘留標準值應該予以降低，這個降低不是讓我們的檢驗放寬，而是經過半衰期之後他不會被輕易地放過，其實他是有吸食，而且在當下可能還遠遠超過那個標準值，可是他如果拖幾個小時再來做尿液檢查也好、唾液檢查也好，因為半衰期非常非常快，所以這個標準是不是要把它調整？","quality":0.858},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-06-08T12:16:21.912000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:16:38.904000+08:00","text":"也就是降低法定閾值，更能夠掌握他是否在毒駕的當時事實上就已經超標了，這個部分應該是食藥署主管的，先請食藥署來回答。","quality":0.811},{"speaker":"王副署長德原","start":"2026-06-08T12:16:39.004000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:16:46.172000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，有關閾值的部分，我們會儘速召開會議來討論，目前會朝向下調降的方式來實施。","quality":0.868},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-06-08T12:16:46.693000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:16:49.095000+08:00","text":"好，所謂儘速大概準備什麼時候呢？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"王副署長德原","start":"2026-06-08T12:16:49.356000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:16:49.596000+08:00","text":"預計一個月內。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-06-08T12:16:49.596000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:16:49.816000+08:00","text":"一個月內喔……","quality":1},{"speaker":"王副署長德原","start":"2026-06-08T12:16:49.896000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:16:49.956000+08:00","text":"會完成公告。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-06-08T12:16:53.615000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:16:55.096000+08:00","text":"一個月內完成公告？","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-06-08T12:16:55.596000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:17:01.780000+08:00","text":"好，那我請問一下，你們是要向下調降法定閾值，現在是50ng/mL嘛，對不對？","quality":0.806},{"speaker":"王副署長德原","start":"2026-06-08T12:17:01.960000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:17:02.120000+08:00","text":"是，目前是50ng/mL。","quality":0.444},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-06-08T12:17:09.326000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:17:11.509000+08:00","text":"你們要往下調整，大概會到……","quality":1},{"speaker":"王副署長德原","start":"2026-06-08T12:17:11.729000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:17:24.345000+08:00","text":"因為這個要衡量到所有國內在執行尿液檢驗的鑑驗機關的儀器設備跟實驗室能力，經過我們初步的了解，目前國內的實驗室絕大多數應該可以調降到25ng/mL，應該是沒有問題。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-06-08T12:17:26.508000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:17:27.969000+08:00","text":"所以可以降低到一半？是。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-06-08T12:17:28.469000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:17:37.613000+08:00","text":"所以不要讓他可以僥倖……因為它的半衰期非常快，然後就可以僥倖的逃脫。是的。","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-06-08T12:17:37.793000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:17:38.174000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝，這一點滿重要。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-06-08T12:17:39.014000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:17:40.775000+08:00","text":"警政署副署長要補充嗎？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"廖副署長訓誠","start":"2026-06-08T12:17:41.355000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:17:52+08:00","text":"這個部分我們會配合食藥署，將來閾值如果做調整之後，除了檢驗之外，另外就是快速檢驗的部分，包括三大檢驗機構的檢驗時間，我們希望能夠儘量縮短。","quality":0.873},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-06-08T12:17:56.367000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:18:22.122000+08:00","text":"好，就是檢驗要快速，法定閾值要調降，不要讓他們僥倖過關，這一點是非常重要的，這樣可以讓更多心存僥倖的吸食毒品者，不只是我剛剛講的依托咪酯，其實還有很多，包含安非他命也都是一樣，半衰期都很快的，他只要能夠拖、拖、拖，拖幾個小時之後就過關了，好不好？","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-06-08T12:18:22.142000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:18:22.162000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。謝謝。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-08T12:18:26.174000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:18:27.002000+08:00","text":"謝謝王委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-08T12:18:27.163000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-08T12:18:27.809000+08:00","text":"接下來有請陳冠廷委員發言。","quality":0.417}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}