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謝謝副主席提名人那我再來接下來請教因為今年11月28號馬上就面臨了這個地方的大選那我相信這個地方大選是非常的重要因為地方的民意非常重要那其實很多民間大家也在擔心因為今年可能年底我們的"},{"start":167.967,"end":182.198,"text":"地方大選跟公投會結合在一起那因為現在法令通過公投綁大選是大家現在民意的主流那大家會擔心之前有那種投票人數排很長的這個問題所以我有兩個問題要請教您針對年底"},{"start":186.181,"end":199.843,"text":"的大選是不是你們會有沒有方式來去避免這個2018年2018年當時就是投票人數累積的很長的這個問題你們有沒有去想說我們不管是這個"},{"start":201.405,"end":217.575,"text":"地方的這個圈票處到底要設多少個你們有沒有這樣的一個想法或是討論這個地方圈票數是不是要更多那選務人員是不是要更多你們有沒有規劃一個大致的一個方向讓我們來知道一下"},{"start":219.822,"end":248.183,"text":"在這個看到這個我們選務處處長在立法院詢答的時候他已經有說明因為公投綁大選既然法律已經通過就應該做好相關的規劃有沒有一個大概的比例就是說我今年我的圈票的數量要大幅增加有沒有增加的一個比例有沒有稍微不好意思處長可以協助沒有問題可能就是還是要看今年公投提出來的"},{"start":248.943,"end":277.21,"text":"情況啦 他的案件數那有沒有說比如說溝頭提幾案 我的圈票數就要增加多少來去消化這個投票的人數的這個問題委員不好意思 是不是這個因為我 是不是可以請好 可以可以 請處長稍微回答一下因為這我相信人民都非常關切是 委員好那我們從109年開始推動選務改革那這裡面就包括我們增加圈票數的遮屏"},{"start":278.171,"end":301.072,"text":"那我們是從以往的兩個遮屏增加到六個遮屏就有公投的時候你至少會增加到六個遮屏現在的選舉就會六個那如果增加公投呢未來會視公投的數量來講一定會從六個往上增加就對了那如果以就是會從六個往上增加就對了好 OK好 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