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謝謝賴委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-10T11:11:15.669000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T11:11:20.356000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，有請副人事長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-10T11:11:20.657000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T11:11:21.258000+08:00","text":"有請副人事長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"張副人事長秋元","start":"2026-06-10T11:11:21.258000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T11:11:21.358000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-10T11:11:27.330000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T11:11:28.911000+08:00","text":"副人事長，你的回答很重要啦！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-10T11:11:29.271000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T11:11:44.079000+08:00","text":"我們主席在推的，我覺得他的概念都很好，現在看到股市一直漲，臺灣會變成兩極化，就產業來講，已經變荷蘭病了啊！","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-10T11:11:44.940000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T11:11:51.303000+08:00","text":"你沒有跟AI沾上邊，像傳統產業，股市漲了上萬點，它都沒有漲啊！","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-10T11:11:51.343000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T11:11:51.343000+08:00","text":"還跌咧！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-10T11:11:55.459000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T11:11:56.820000+08:00","text":"相對赤貧戶就產生了。","quality":0.444},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-10T11:11:57.860000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T11:12:07.867000+08:00","text":"主計總處還公布說現在勞工的薪資平均四萬八，聽起來還可以，可是7成的人領不到四萬八耶！","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-10T11:12:09.888000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T11:12:34.424000+08:00","text":"7成的人領不到四萬八，這個跟人事總處很有關係，所以我覺得軍公教的調薪，副人事長，你們要趕快有自己的版本，你沒有版本，那對不起，我們就是按照CPI來調，CPI超過多少我們就要調。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-10T11:12:34.424000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T11:12:40.148000+08:00","text":"但問題是，老實講，我跟主席報告，你要小心這裡面有鬼喔！","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-10T11:12:41.449000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T11:12:56.135000+08:00","text":"像最近美伊打仗，雖然油料一直漲，但我們的政策是凍漲，電凍漲，CPI是上不去的，所以CPI是可以manipulate、是可以操縱的！","quality":0.741},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-10T11:12:57.495000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T11:13:07.539000+08:00","text":"是可以操縱的，你要讓它還原就是政府的補貼你要把它扣掉，政府補貼，所以我們官員都講得很大聲，經濟部長都講很大聲，補貼啊！","quality":0.792},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-10T11:13:07.559000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T11:13:07.819000+08:00","text":"沒有影響啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-10T11:13:07.959000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T11:13:08.340000+08:00","text":"問題是誰補貼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-10T11:13:08.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T11:13:09.760000+08:00","text":"用你、我納稅人的錢補貼，對不對？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-10T11:13:09.760000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T11:13:42.537000+08:00","text":"還補貼工業的用電大戶、產業的用電大戶，我們升斗小民來補貼它，它拚命賺，股價一直飆，我們補貼它電費，所以CPI不高，臺灣CPI現在是不高的，你訂3%我都覺得還可以有討論的空間，那個3%是假的，因為到不了3%啊！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-10T11:13:43.197000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T11:13:53.402000+08:00","text":"我們政府很厲害，你既然訂3%，我就想辦法不要讓它到3%，它是可以這樣操縱的，不要忘了這個可以操縱，這是第一點。","quality":0.809},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-10T11:13:53.402000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T11:14:12.328000+08:00","text":"第二點，我今天真正要來找你，今天一定要來這裡的一個重點在於我們在財委會不分黨派都支持全部的國營公庫，就是銀行啦！","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-10T11:14:14.210000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T11:14:44.978000+08:00","text":"臺灣銀行、土地銀行、輸出入銀行，臺、土、輸跟其他的泛公股，比如兆豐、合庫，這裡面差一截有夠大截，比如說生一胎的補助，臺、土、輸銀行的員工5,000塊，兆豐12萬，一樣是在銀行工作，差那麼多！","quality":0.877},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-10T11:14:44.978000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-10T11:14:54.887000+08:00","text":"12萬比5,000塊。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-10T11:14:54.887000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T11:15:27.236000+08:00","text":"第二個，他沒有超額的獎金，沒有主管加給，沒有員工的持股信託，沒有勞保的年金，我們的國營行庫沒有這5個待遇，所以臺土輸就變成泛公股的人才訓練所，他差不多了就趕快跑了，或是到民間銀行去了，結果財政部願意喔！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-10T11:15:28.876000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T11:15:35.660000+08:00","text":"我剛剛講的，還有比如說午餐的補助也不一樣，都不一樣啦！","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-10T11:15:38.942000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T11:15:53.206000+08:00","text":"他們工會的訴求很卑微，執政黨、在野黨的立委都支持，我們還寫了主決議，結果你們偉大的人事長打回票啊！","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-10T11:15:55.148000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T11:15:58.471000+08:00","text":"權力比財政部長還大，財政部長都背書耶！","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-10T11:15:59.051000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T11:16:11.141000+08:00","text":"我們為了不要讓純官股的員工吃這麼大的虧、讓員工流失，財政部都挺身而出啊！","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-10T11:16:12.022000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T11:16:15.985000+08:00","text":"要挺我們，人事長跟他開會的時候都說，好啊！","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-10T11:16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ext":"你們有簽，意見是什麼？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-10T11:19:36.242000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T11:19:36.902000+08:00","text":"要同意啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-10T11:19:37.403000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T11:19:38.583000+08:00","text":"你們有簽，但意見是不同意啊！","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"張副人事長秋元","start":"2026-06-10T11:19:39.343000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T11:19:45.165000+08:00","text":"我們沒有表示反對，就是要政院決策。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-10T11:19:46.646000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T11:19:47.726000+08:00","text":"你們不敢負責任嘛！","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-10T11:19:48.006000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T11:19:49.647000+08:00","text":"就這樣子，你們要同意啦！","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-10T11:19:50.667000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T11:19:52.908000+08:00","text":"你要尊重財政部，你怎麼會呼嚕呼嚕轉給行政院？","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-10T11:19:52.988000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T11:19:53.308000+08:00","text":"這樣又拖了，這個叫沒有擔當喔！","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-10T11:19:53.308000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-10T11:20:00.034000+08:00","text":"副人事長。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"張副人事長秋元","start":"2026-06-10T11:20:00.034000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T11:20:00.757000+08:00","text":"我們再來追這個案子，謝謝委員。","quality":0.462},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-10T11:20:01.761000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T11:20:01.781000+08:00","text":"謝謝賴委員，謝謝副人事長。","quality":0.455},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-10T11:20:02.281000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-10T11:20:08.281000+08:00","text":"接下來是蘇清泉委員、蘇清泉委員、蘇清泉委員不在。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-10T11:20:08.581000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-10T11:20:12.009571+08:00","text":"接下來有請許宇甄委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}