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其實如果我剛剛講 它其實是一個雙軌可以並行的檢查部分的司法上的扣押 司法上的下架其實我剛才提過 我絕對不能夠干涉這是講完個案的判斷在行政上能做的 我相信中選會 因為我還沒有進入中選會我相信中選會一定有跟現代各社群平台 各大社群媒體或TWM建立一定的機制"},{"start":239.077,"end":262.407,"text":"我不知道有沒有他有 我知道所有行政機關都會跟TWNIC有做一些連結啦他可以做一些封網的一些動作啦現在其實我們的這個行政指引法上他就有一些即時強制的一些規範可以讓我們行政機關去對TWNIC做一些先透過速發布啦做一些封網或下架的一個規定"},{"start":263.035,"end":283.018,"text":"如果有機會可以通過這個任命案可以在中選會擔任委員的話我也希望這個次長可以在選委會裡面發揮這個角色那更積極的跟所有相關單位包含速發部包含各地方選委會甚至地檢署先做一個這樣的演練跟討論"},{"start":284.84,"end":293.65,"text":"地檢署個案的時候我再次重申,這也是我自我的要求,個案的部分任何人都不能夠干涉,也不能夠協助行政上是絕對沒問題,針對這類型的人,遇到這種狀況的話要不要先演練,到時候又地檢署一團亂"},{"start":304.822,"end":328.276,"text":"對,了不了解嗎?我完全理解,好謝謝好謝謝,那針對於這個剛剛的另外兩位委員被提名人齁其實我剛剛坐在主席台針對另外兩位被提名人,包含沈淑飛副主委被提名人他擁有非常豐富的行政的這個資歷,那剛剛的詢答也非常的平穩"},{"start":329.076,"end":345.641,"text":"那蔡惟哲被提名人律師他雖然年輕但是對於一些進步的這些選務工作的想法非常的務實而且而且非常的進步我覺得都可以達成那對於這個次長我對於你的公正性那我也相當的認為沒有問題所以"},{"start":347.922,"end":370.191,"text":"行政院這一次包含秘書長今天特別來到這裡再提出的人選不代表上一次的不好上一次是被政黨用意識形態的這樣故意不通過的不通過所以造成其實到目前為止選委會總人數委員只有八人他低於九人以下的這些"},{"start":371.591,"end":387.744,"text":"可以運作的方式所以今天補提名三個人選我都認為非常適當而且可以支持也希望為了選務的公正性也希望朝野共同來支持中選會委員的同意權謝謝"}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}