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我好希望今天下午排審的就是運動部的預算啊下一頁"},{"start":265.492,"end":286.275,"text":"我們要把問題意識釐清清楚支持電競發展跟立基本法是兩件事這也是今天早上公聽會多數人的意見電競界的代表不管產業界或是運動界大家都認為國家要跨部會來支持電競發展沒有人反對但是回到法制面"},{"start":287.336,"end":313.218,"text":"基本法是憲法未接是不是要用一個基本法來支持電競法界的意見就是差不應當他會造成排擠會造成法律的競合即便是支持電競產業發展的這些好朋友們他們也認為基本法要立馬只要政策能夠做好他們對於基本法也沒有堅持這是我今天早上聆聽到的意見部長您是不是也這樣解讀"},{"start":314.199,"end":328.855,"text":"跟委員您報告那上午在公聽會的其中其實就如同委員您講的其實大家對於支持電競發展不管是委員您還是這個各位委員在早上的公聽會的部分那其實但對立基本法這個部分我想"},{"start":329.415,"end":357.081,"text":"是沒有共識的甚至大家認為不需要立基本法只要整合跨部會的用一個辦法大家做一個或是比較跨部會的計畫其實就是眼前的當務之急下業基本法是什麼我還是要不厭其煩的再說一次基本法的高位階是訂定基本國策展現憲政具體化的高度它是整合政策工具"},{"start":357.401,"end":385.88,"text":"延伸政策的广度而且谋求一个政策的永续性但是他都要回应的是宪法基本国策之不足下一页台湾到现在13部基本法我看到文化部次长在这里我们拼了命的完成了文化基本法是希望文化主流化可以在各部会导入我们上会期完成了AI基本法是希望各部会都有AI的思维"},{"start":386.801,"end":402.466,"text":"但是电竞需要跨部会的整合不代表就是用基本法这一个方向时间到了我快速的讲在下一页我们跨部会支持电竞发展是政策的现在进行式"},{"start":403.106,"end":405.648,"text":"2017年修正了運動產業發展條例就把電競可以作為一個高度重視的運動項目2018電競也納入了全大運2021年電競納入了全運會這都彰顯運動部對於電競發展的支持在下一頁最後了中央地方也都在努力"},{"start":428.288,"end":446.369,"text":"電競人才的培育還成立了電競基地不管是在校園端教育部給補助或是地方政府新北也成立了一個電競基地但是使用率還要提升這都代表中央地方政府都在努力來推動電競所以說呢最後"},{"start":447.591,"end":473.509,"text":"不应当为利而利基本法我们在运产条例的授权下产业辅导的讲注办法在做我们在奖励租税的优惠也在做我们在从业人员的支持运动员的职业发展都回应在运动产业发展条例第四条里头其实细看运产条例第四条我们可以发现我们对于电子竞技类是高度的up"},{"start":474.129,"end":502.427,"text":"高度的promote因為看看運動產業發展條例第四條他沒有針對單一運動項目去載明他載明的是運動的服務運動的旅遊運動表演運動保健運動場館的營運運動用品的製造營銷等等其實電子競技已經高度的在運動產業發展條例的第四條被高度的highline"},{"start":503.047,"end":520.481,"text":"所以我再一次回到我的初衷我们支持电竞发展但是我们做政策我们不要用错误的方式造成了负面可能的法律的竞合问题我想如果电竞基本法我们今天快速的仓促的逐条的去通过了"},{"start":521.201,"end":545.8,"text":"我想棒球界、羽球界、各界人士我剛Cue這個文化部可能舞蹈界也要來建築界也要來我們可能視覺藝術界也要來對不對我們的這個表演藝術界都要來人人都要基本法我希望我們支持電競但是不要用錯誤的方式造成行政部門難以執行的摯愛之處好 我們繼續來論述我們的觀點好 謝謝謝謝委員"},{"start":551.74,"end":551.761,"text":"好"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-10T15:33:09.757000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T15:33:15.663000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，請部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-10T15:33:16.464000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T15:33:16.484000+08:00","text":"請部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-10T15:33:16.484000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-10T15:33:23.398000+08:00","text":"委員，您好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-10T15:33:23.398000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T15:33:27.863000+08:00","text":"部長，大家都辛苦了，今天跨部會來了很多次長列席。","quality":0.81},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-10T15:33:29.404000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T15:33:57.210000+08:00","text":"我開宗明義的說，每項運動都同等重要，如果為單一項目立法，而且是憲法位階的基本法，它不只有失公平，還會造成資源的排擠，甚至可能造成和其他法規的競合，所以我認為支持電競發展和立電競基本法是兩件事，我們要理性面對。","quality":0.747},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-10T15:33:59.352000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T15:34:02.714000+08:00","text":"預算反映政策，沒有預算萬萬不能。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-10T15:34:04.356000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T15:34:20.945000+08:00","text":"下禮拜要過端午節了，吳思瑤划龍舟20年，每年要過端午節時，我真的都感受很深，因為一年已經過了一半，但是可能到中秋節時，我們的總預算都還沒有審。","quality":0.71},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-10T15:34:20.945000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T15:34:28.748000+08:00","text":"總預算到現在延宕285天，已經一年過半了，該交的作業還是要交。","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-10T15:34:30.329000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T15:34:42.734000+08:00","text":"剛剛在野黨的委員說，因為有一些新興計畫另外用其他方式補強先行動支，就合理化立法院可以不審預算嗎？","quality":0.978},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-10T15:34:42.734000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T15:34:43.654000+08:00","text":"這個邏輯我完全不能接受。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-10T15:34:44.595000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T15:35:04.443000+08:00","text":"我們來看看，同樣是教育文化委員會的兩位召委，伍麗華委員所排的教育部預算，教育部的預算很龐大，在5月18日審完了；中研院的預算在5月21日審完了；核安會的預算在5月25日也審查完畢。","quality":0.757},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-10T15:35:08.485000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T15:35:30.405000+08:00","text":"一樣都是教育委員會，我們都在趕進度、補進度，該交的作業就是要寫，可是我非常遺憾，文化部、國科會、運動部和故宮的預算都還沒有進入實質的審查，如果預算不審，影響是全面性的。","quality":0.689},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-10T15:35:31.705000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T15:35:40.449000+08:00","text":"剛剛也有在野黨委員說，因為可以先行動支部分的預算，所以運動部的預算慢慢來沒有關係。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-10T15:35:40.449000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T15:35:56.757000+08:00","text":"這是我整理出來的資料，部長，因為預算還沒有審，即便扣除可動支的新興預算可以急用，但是最終被卡的預算還有30.21億元，這個數字正確吧？","quality":0.86},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-10T15:35:57.558000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T15:35:58.859000+08:00","text":"這是我向你們索取的資料。正確。","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-10T15:36:00.521000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T15:36:26.261000+08:00","text":"所以還有30.21億元的運動部預算，包括優化全民運動賽會環境7.55億元，包括專項訓練場地及簡易運動場館設施的興建、整建4.07億元等等，包括電競在內的新興、極限等全民運動相關活動1.15億元。","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-10T15:36:28.822000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T15:36:40.407000+08:00","text":"我真的要講一句比較重的話，如果預算不審，就算我們立了電競基本法、立了棒球基本法、立了網球基本法，立100部基本法都沒有用啦！","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-10T15:36:41.648000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T15:36:42.968000+08:00","text":"因為你們沒有錢做事嘛！","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-10T15:36:43.848000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T15:36:45.629000+08:00","text":"部長，你同意我的說法嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-10T15:36:45.629000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T15:36:47.090000+08:00","text":"預算是不是眼前最重要的事？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-10T15:36:48.974000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T15:36:52.718000+08:00","text":"當然，首先我們還是要尊重議程，召委排……","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-10T15:36:52.918000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T15:36:56.041000+08:00","text":"但是站在你的立場，你最急的是不是趕快審預算？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-10T15:36:57.622000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T15:37:03.649000+08:00","text":"站在運動部的角度，當然希望能夠審完預算，讓所有同仁知道我們如何動支。","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-10T15:37:03.869000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T15:37:05.450000+08:00","text":"這樣我們的政策才可以落地嘛！","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-10T15:37:06.331000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T15:37:06.871000+08:00","text":"對不對？對。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-10T15:37:06.871000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T15:37:16.257000+08:00","text":"如果預算再不審，30.21億元就不能動用，全民運動也好，競技運動也罷，全部都遭殃。","quality":0.844},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-10T15:37:17.438000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T15:37:25.163000+08:00","text":"但是早上開公聽會，下午排審電競基本法，我好希望今天下午排審的就是運動部的預算。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-10T15:37:28.492000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T15:37:39.464000+08:00","text":"我們要把問題、意識釐清，支持電競發展和立基本法是兩件事，這也是今天早上公聽會多數人的意見。","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-10T15:37:39.464000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T15:37:46.992000+08:00","text":"電競界的代表，不管是產業界或運動界，大家都認為國家要跨部會支持電競發展，沒有人反對！","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-10T15:37:46.992000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T15:37:55.901000+08:00","text":"但是回到法制面，基本法是憲法位階，是不是要用一個基本法來支持電競？","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-10T15:37:55.901000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T15:38:01.566000+08:00","text":"法界的意見就是不應當，認為它會造成排擠、會造成法律的競合。","quality":0.885},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-10T15:38:02.407000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T15:38:08.472000+08:00","text":"即便是支持電競產業發展的這些好朋友們，他們也在問：基本法要立嗎？","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-10T15:38:08.872000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T15:38:15.378000+08:00","text":"只要政策能夠做好，對於基本法，他們並不堅持，這是我今天早上聽到的意見。","quality":0.871},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-10T15:38:15.378000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T15:38:16.218000+08:00","text":"部長，您是不是也這樣解讀？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-10T15:38:18.080000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T15:38:32.595000+08:00","text":"上午在公聽會，就如同委員講的，對於支持電競發展，不管是委員還是各位委員在早上公聽會的發言，其實對立基本法這個部分，我想是沒……","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-10T15:38:32.715000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T15:38:33.535000+08:00","text":"是沒有共識的。對。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-10T15:38:34.075000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T15:38:44.998000+08:00","text":"甚至大家認為不需要立基本法，只要整合跨部會的業務，用一個辦法或是跨部會的計畫，其實就是眼前的當務之急。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-10T15:38:46.258000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T15:38:47.538000+08:00","text":"基本法是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-10T15:38:47.538000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T15:39:10.248000+08:00","text":"我還是要不厭其煩再說一次，基本法這個高位階是用於訂定基本國策，展現憲政具體化的高度，它是整合政策工具、延伸政策的廣度，而且謀求一個政策的永續性，它要回應的是憲法基本國策之不足。","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-10T15:39:11.749000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T15:39:36.243000+08:00","text":"臺灣到現在有十三部基本法，文化部次長也在這裡，之前我們拚了命完成文化基本法，是希望文化主流化可以在各部會導入，我們上會期完成了AI基本法，是希望各部會都有AI的思維，但是電競需要跨部會的整合，不代表就要用基本法這個方向。","quality":0.755},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-10T15:39:37.783000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T15:39:39.824000+08:00","text":"時間到了，我快速的講。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-10T15:39:41.605000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T15:39:47.107000+08:00","text":"我們跨部會支持電競發展是政策的現在進行式，2017年修正了運動產業發展條例，把電競視為一個高度重視的運動項目。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-10T15:39:47.247000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T15:39:48.068000+08:00","text":"2018年電競也納入全大運，2021年電競納入全運會，這都彰顯運動部對於電競發展的支持。","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-10T15:39:48.328000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T15:39:48.628000+08:00","text":"中央、地方都在努力啊！","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-10T15:40:11.288000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T15:40:14.111000+08:00","text":"為了電競人才的培育，還成立電競基地。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-10T15:40:14.351000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T15:40:32.472000+08:00","text":"不管是教育部給校園端的補助，或是地方政府新北市也成立了一個電競基地，但是使用率還要提升，這代表中央、地方政府都在努力推動電競，所以不應當為立而立基本法。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-10T15:40:33.173000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T15:40:49.044000+08:00","text":"我們在運產條例的授權下，產業輔導的獎助辦法正在做，獎勵及租稅優惠也在做，我們對於從業人員的支持、對運動員的職涯發展都回應在運動產業發展條例第四條裡頭。","quality":0.414},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-10T15:40:50.104000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T15:40:58.130000+08:00","text":"其實細看運產條例第四條就可以發現，我們對於電子競技類是高度upgrade、高度promote。","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-10T15:40:58.770000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T15:41:25.367000+08:00","text":"看看運動產業發展條例第四條，它沒有針對單一運動項目載明，它載明的是運動的服務、運動的旅遊、運動表演、運動保健、運動場館的營運、運動用品的製造、營售等等，其實電子競技已經在運動產業發展條例第四條被高度highlight。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-10T15:41:26.047000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T15:41:37.136000+08:00","text":"所以再一次回到我的初衷，我們支持電競發展，但是我們推行政策不要用錯誤的方式，因為這樣可能會造成負面的影響，或可能會產生法律競合的問題。","quality":0.548},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-10T15:41:39.517000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T15:41:56.510000+08:00","text":"對於電競基本法如果我們今天快速的、倉促的逐條通過，我想棒球界、羽球界等各界人士，還有我剛剛特別點到的文化部，例如舞蹈界也要來、建築界也要來，可能視覺藝術界也要來，對不對？","quality":0.724},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-10T15:41:57.171000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T15:42:00.473000+08:00","text":"甚至表演藝術界也要來，人人都要基本法。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-10T15:42:01.294000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T15:42:08.780000+08:00","text":"我希望我們支持電競，但是不要用錯誤的方式，造成行政部門難以執行的窒礙之處，我們繼續論述我們的觀點，謝謝。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"李部長洋","start":"2026-06-10T15:42:08.780000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-10T15:42:08.800000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-10T15:42:09.300000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-10T15:42:11.585714+08:00","text":"謝謝委員，謝謝部長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-10T15:42:11.885714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-10T15:42:19.885714+08:00","text":"非常感謝吳委員的詢答，委員的建議，我們都會吸收，大家一起來探討。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-10T15:42:20.185714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-10T15:42:23.328571+08:00","text":"下一位請葉元之委員發言。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}