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ssed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:51:38.197000+08:00","text":"生輔組長是不是老師兼任？","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:51:38.598000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:51:39.758000+08:00","text":"有沒有很多是老師兼任？","quality":1},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-06-11T09:51:42.038000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:51:45.419000+08:00","text":"在學校來講，一般是老師兼任。對嘛！哇！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:51:46.340000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:52:04.849000+08:00","text":"現在臺灣變成一個文字遊戲的國度，energy不是electricity，生輔組長不一定就是老師，我問了，生輔組長多數是老師兼任，唾液篩檢到底誰負責？","quality":0.882},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:52:04.849000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:52:09.333000+08:00","text":"你說不是老師、不是一線老師，你說是生輔組長。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:52:09.333000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:52:11.315000+08:00","text":"問你生輔組長是誰？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:52:11.315000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:52:11.956000+08:00","text":"老師兼任。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:52:13.250000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:52:22.736000+08:00","text":"我們其實尊重專業，但是我們也要尊重一線老師、所有教學人員的權益，我有說錯嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-06-11T09:52:23.316000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:52:28.319000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，唾液快篩與尿液快篩都是篩檢，不是疊加上去的任務。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-06-11T09:52:28.319000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:52:38.725000+08:00","text":"第二個，生輔組長本來的職責就有這一塊，校園反毒或推動的工作，但是並不是由第一線的老師、導師來執行。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:52:42.347000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:52:42.967000+08:00","text":"原來如此！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:52:43.728000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:52:48.270000+08:00","text":"所以不是導師就不是第一線老師，這是教育部的官方定義嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:52:48.270000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:52:49.531000+08:00","text":"你現在要這樣定義嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-06-11T09:52:49.531000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:52:56.975000+08:00","text":"我並不是這麼說，我是說是由生輔組長，這本來就是他的工作職責之一，並沒有去加重其他老師的負擔。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:52:56.975000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-11T09:52:57.975000+08:00","text":"沒關係啦！","quality":0},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:52:57.355000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:53:07.100000+08:00","text":"次長，你很專業，我們不要玩文字遊戲，回去聽一下你自己的回答，我想前線的老師可能都會很狐疑，沒關係，你說這是他本來的職責。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:53:07.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:53:22.927000+08:00","text":"來，我們來請教，超級可怕，你們這樣的認知非常可怕，校園內實施唾液快篩，你說唾液篩檢跟尿液篩檢本來就是要做的，法源依據是什麼？","quality":0.982},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:53:22.927000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:53:23.727000+08:00","text":"教育部要不要守法？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:53:23.967000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:53:26.509000+08:00","text":"法源依據是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:53:26.509000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:53:26.609000+08:00","text":"次長，請說。","quality":1},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-06-11T09:53:27.269000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:53:38.876000+08:00","text":"尿液快篩的法源依據是來自於毒防條例，唾液快篩這個部分，目前我們會先徵求學生與其家長的同意才會做實施。好啦！","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:53:39.476000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:53:39.876000+08:00","text":"又改啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:53:40.737000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:53:41.417000+08:00","text":"又改說法啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:53:42.837000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:53:52.201000+08:00","text":"我們昨天才有大委員幾分鐘之內，從沒有退讓的空間，到立刻說：好，立刻退讓。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:53:52.201000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:53:57.403000+08:00","text":"剛剛你才說尿液、唾液本來就是要做的，這個可以做。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:53:58.628000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:54:05.290000+08:00","text":"一問有沒有法源依據，你說可以啊，結果再細問下來，立刻改變說法。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:54:06.130000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:54:06.770000+08:00","text":"為什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:54:06.770000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:54:09.151000+08:00","text":"法源依據就是不能採唾液嘛！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:54:09.611000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:54:13.652000+08:00","text":"你現在立刻又改說法了，我們採的時候要經過他們的同意。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-06-11T09:54:13.652000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-11T09:54:14.652000+08:00","text":"委員，我剛剛有……","quality":0},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:54:14.092000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:54:23.075000+08:00","text":"我就請教次長，你要請教每一個學生家長是否同意，這些前線老師是怎麼樣？","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:54:23.075000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:54:24.035000+08:00","text":"教書都不用教啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-06-11T09:54:24.915000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:54:33.402000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們並不是做普篩，我們是針對學校有列冊的特定人員才會要求做篩檢，並不是所有的學生普篩。","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:54:33.782000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:54:35.884000+08:00","text":"請問哪一個法源讓你來挑學生的？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-06-11T09:54:35.884000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-11T09:54:37.044000+08:00","text":"所以我才跟委員……","quality":0},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:54:37.044000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:54:38.766000+08:00","text":"哪一個法源讓你來挑學生的？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:54:39.907000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:54:42.409000+08:00","text":"葛如鈞同學，你下課要來檢查一下唾液。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:54:44.830000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:54:46.712000+08:00","text":"我是哪裡有問題嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:54:46.712000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:54:50.335000+08:00","text":"所有的學生都在看著我，我在那邊吐口水，我是不是有吸毒？","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:54:52.033000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:54:52.553000+08:00","text":"是這樣子嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-06-11T09:54:53.334000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:54:57.535000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，尿液快篩是有毒防條例的法源，關於唾液快篩，我剛剛提到目前我們需要……","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:54:58.056000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:55:00.937000+08:00","text":"對，我就問你，唾液快篩的法源是什麼？","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:55:01.817000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:55:02.577000+08:00","text":"要不要有法源？","quality":1},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-06-11T09:55:02.737000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:55:09.140000+08:00","text":"當然要有法源，所以我們目前是希望要有學生跟家長的同意，才會去進行。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:55:09.820000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:55:10.681000+08:00","text":"對嘛，要有法源，法源在哪裡？","quality":0.455},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:55:10.681000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:55:11.781000+08:00","text":"你有同意就可以喔？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:55:12.522000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:55:18.632000+08:00","text":"我請你同意了，我可以抽你的血，是不是？我們……","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:55:18.632000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-11T09:55:19.632000+08:00","text":"對不對？","quality":0},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:55:19.632000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-11T09:55:20.632000+08:00","text":"所以不要……","quality":0},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-06-11T09:55:18.632000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:55:22.473000+08:00","text":"如果他不同意就進行尿篩，這個部分是一個篩檢工具。","quality":0.682},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:55:25.354000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:55:53.961000+08:00","text":"教育部就是要守法，你教育部自己沒有優先來守法，法律程序完全沒有完備，然後急著9月毒品快篩，我們絕對支持反毒，如果有好的法源依據，可以協助校園安全什麼樣的毒品快篩，我們也支持，但是不要讓第一線老師來承擔法律的風險。是。","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:55:54.641000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:55:55.402000+08:00","text":"對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:55:55.402000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:56:08.647000+08:00","text":"大法官有解釋，人格權、身體權均受中華民國憲法第二十二條的保障，而且如果你們要用修改要點的方式，之前有人問你們，你們說：我們改一個要點。是。","quality":0.934},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:56:09.667000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:56:30.861000+08:00","text":"如果用要點就可以來侵害身體權，這就完全違反法律保留原則，剛剛我們質詢的過程，聽得出一大堆的問題，請教育部好好的檢討一下，不然這整個過程，所有老師聽到你們這樣，不要講六成5年內想離職，可能變七成、可能變八成啊！","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:56:32.007000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:56:46.130000+08:00","text":"本席具體要求教育部和法務部溝通，必須讓毒品危害防制條例先修法通過，法源完備以後，再推動校園的唾液篩檢，不要讓老師去承擔法律的風險。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:56:46.130000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:57:09.459000+08:00","text":"另外，在推動修法的同時，教育部也要和地方的教育局來溝通，研議補足校園的人力，有必要增聘學務人員來執行校安的工作，不要讓這種繁重的採檢工作，規則不清、法令不明，還要全部落到老師的頭上，請次長可不可以當場承諾，讓第一線的老師可以放心。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-06-11T09:57:10.479000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:57:26.829000+08:00","text":"好，跟委員報告，我從一開始就強調，不管是唾篩或是尿液篩檢都不會增加目前老師的工作，要他去執行，這是由學校本來就在執行這個業務的生輔組或是校務的學務人員來進行。","quality":0.836},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:57:27.189000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:57:30.531000+08:00","text":"我剛剛已經問您了，生輔組、校務人員是不是老師？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:57:31.411000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:57:34.232000+08:00","text":"你也說是，然後你又說不是老師來執行？","quality":1},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-06-11T09:57:34.232000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-11T09:57:35.633000+08:00","text":"不會增加其他老師……","quality":0},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:57:35.633000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:57:39.855000+08:00","text":"全國學生、家長聽您這樣講，我到底要什麼考試啊！","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:57:39.855000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-11T09:57:41.455000+08:00","text":"第2點，聽我講……","quality":0},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-06-11T09:57:41.455000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:57:43.616000+08:00","text":"委員，我們不會增加其他老師的負擔。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-06-11T09:57:43.616000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:57:46.437000+08:00","text":"第二個部分，我們會……","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:57:46.437000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:57:51.959000+08:00","text":"只增加被增加負擔的老師的負擔，不增加那些不會被增加負擔的老師的負擔。哇！","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:57:54.291000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:57:55.891000+08:00","text":"沒關係，我讓您講完，不好意思，請說。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-06-11T09:57:56.372000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:58:09.896000+08:00","text":"第二個，我們在操作之前，一定會讓現場執行人員有足夠的指引；第三個，不是普篩，是針對特定人員的學生才做篩檢。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:58:10.196000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:58:13.037000+08:00","text":"您知道這三點，你漏講哪一個嗎？","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:58:13.037000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:58:17.859000+08:00","text":"要不要守法、要不要有法源依據，要還是不要？","quality":1},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-06-11T09:58:18.479000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:58:20.921000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，在尿篩的部分已經有毒防條例……","quality":0.611},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:58:21.101000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:58:24.002000+08:00","text":"我們今天一直……我從頭到尾都在講唾篩。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-06-11T09:58:24.363000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:58:27.764000+08:00","text":"在唾篩的部分，一定會先取得家長跟學生同意，才會做唾篩。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:58:28.165000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:58:31.767000+08:00","text":"我從頭到尾在講唾篩，唾篩需不需要法源依據？","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-06-11T09:58:31.767000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:58:33.608000+08:00","text":"我們當然需要有法源，所以才會說需要家長跟學生同意，才可以操作嘛！","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:58:33.748000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:58:33.828000+08:00","text":"好，麻煩請具體承諾，可以嗎？","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:58:33.828000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:58:33.948000+08:00","text":"我剛剛的承諾。","quality":1},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-06-11T09:58:33.948000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:58:34.148000+08:00","text":"我們會跟法務部針對法律的問題進行研擬，謝謝。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:58:34.168000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:59:24.775000+08:00","text":"我爭取一點時間，你們的「AI人才方舟計畫」之前被我們抓包，根本還沒通過，大打廣告，直接上雜誌，我們索資索不到，結果反而雜誌上面有8頁的報導，然後我們看到5月22號卓院長跟你們一起來推什麼人才計畫，6月3號行政院網站正式公布AI人才方舟計畫，我們很高興，想說已經拍板定案了，我們馬上再次索資要了解細節，結果教育部跟我們答復說：行政院是原則核定，整個計畫大幅要修正，完全沒有完整的計畫內容可以提供。","quality":0.908},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:59:25.956000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:59:31.298000+08:00","text":"事情發展至此，本來我們還想說這個是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:59:31.298000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:59:39.628000+08:00","text":"很像詐騙集團的感覺，真的，本來只是詐騙者，現在變成詐騙的集團囉！","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:59:39.628000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:59:43.572000+08:00","text":"這變成是一整個團隊，恭喜您中獎了！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:59:44.473000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:59:45.414000+08:00","text":"什麼時候領獎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:59:45.414000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:59:46.794000+08:00","text":"不知道；中多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:59:47.415000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:59:47.655000+08:00","text":"不知道。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:59:48.375000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:59:52.337000+08:00","text":"先跟你說一百多億，之後再說細節。","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:59:52.337000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T09:59:53.778000+08:00","text":"有這種的喔！","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T09:59:54.319000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:00:03.124000+08:00","text":"我真的想這樣子的做法讓人很擔憂，所以我具體請教，到底什麼時候能完成所謂大幅修正？","quality":1},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T10:00:03.584000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:00:04.664000+08:00","text":"什麼時候能上路？","quality":1},{"sp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,"end":"2026-06-11T10:02:55.708000+08:00","text":"教育部，我還是要感謝你們館館有AI，我們也聽到高教司有說新一年度的預算會編列大學的付費AI，對不對？是。","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T10:02:55.708000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:03:10.881000+08:00","text":"所以我們也一直爭取，也謝謝你們有回應，從館館有AI，要變成大學館館有AI，大學的圖書館也要有，變成系系有AI，系館也有AI，變成師生人人有AI，好不好？","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T10:03:11.281000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:03:12.802000+08:00","text":"我們一起往這裡前進。好。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T10:03:12.802000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:03:15.943000+08:00","text":"最後，我想對昨天運動部詢答的內容做一個澄清。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T10:03:16.503000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:03:40.195000+08:00","text":"昨天我轉述林宜瑾委員的質詢，他引用運動部的報告說，制定前瞻性的法規、命令來策略做法，我當下在臺下聽到，把這句話解讀成為是「制定前瞻性的法規命令，就是電競基本法，而策略做法就是行政」，所以我把這段話解讀為「沒有法律，部會就沒有辦法採取行政作為」。","quality":0.981},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T10:03:40.396000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:03:52.182000+08:00","text":"事後發現，我和林宜瑾委員是對於運動部報告的內容有點各自解讀，林宜瑾委員確實沒有表達「沒有法律就無法行政」的意思，我要在此對他表示歉意，謝謝。","quality":0.921},{"speaker":"葛委員如鈞","start":"2026-06-11T10:03:52.182000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:03:52.282000+08:00","text":"謝謝次長、謝謝主席。","quality":1},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-06-11T10:03:52.782000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-11T10:03:54.496286+08:00","text":"謝謝委員指導。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-11T10:03:54.796286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-11T10:04:05.939143+08:00","text":"謝謝，麻煩次長，有關人才方舟計畫相關計畫完整的內容，會後請交付所有教文委員會的委員。好。","quality":0.128},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-11T10:04:06.239143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-11T10:04:19.667714+08:00","text":"有關於公私協力相關的一些計畫籌備，剛剛委員有提到一個月內，是否也可以一個月內彙整相關公私協力的部分？","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-11T10:04:19.967714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-11T10:04:31.682000+08:00","text":"合作提供相關AI給我們的孩子的部分，是不是一個月內來做相關的策備，也是一個月，麻煩，謝謝。好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-11T10:04:31.982000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-11T10:04:34.553429+08:00","text":"下一位請陳秀寳委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-11T10:04:34.853429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-11T10:04:41.139143+08:00","text":"不好意思，我們在郭昱晴委員發言完畢以後，休息5分鐘。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}