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我們更期待的，如同委員所說，給我們一些彈性。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-06-11T10:19:41.695000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:19:50.422000+08:00","text":"以目前大學法、專科學校法及高級中等學校教育法來講，在就學貸款這一塊，本來就有授權辦法授權教育部訂定。","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-06-11T10:19:50.982000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:19:56.045000+08:00","text":"過去二十年在就學貸款這部分，我們做了很多精進措施，這樣就很有彈性。","quality":0.767},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-06-11T10:19:56.745000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:20:03.449000+08:00","text":"包含剛剛講的比較屬於門檻式的，是不是可以保留，讓我們得因應時勢來做一些調整？","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-06-11T10:20:03.569000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:20:06.551000+08:00","text":"我想就照顧學生而言，這樣應該會更貼切。","quality":0.706},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-11T10:20:08.172000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:20:11.113000+08:00","text":"這點等一下應該會進入討論。","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-11T10:20:11.354000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:20:19.719000+08:00","text":"第二個問題，相信大家最近都在追劇，至於追的這部劇，相信在教學現場引起很多共鳴。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-11T10:20:19.719000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:20:21.760000+08:00","text":"這十集我在昨天看完了！","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-11T10:20:22.580000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:20:37.108000+08:00","text":"當然，由於是戲劇，所以稍微有一點誇大，但在教育現場，那些其實是每天、甚至是時時刻刻都在發生的拉扯狀況。","quality":0.844},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-11T10:20:38.689000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:20:47.017000+08:00","text":"一旦發生校園衝突，我們可以看到三方都在受害，而有熱忱卻被非理性期待的老師們已經被壓垮了！","quality":0.805},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-11T10:20:47.537000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:20:55.965000+08:00","text":"再來，被霸凌的孩子，不管是同儕之間的霸凌或師生之間的霸凌，其實都面臨現場的困境。","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-11T10:20:57.026000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:21:00.108000+08:00","text":"還有，愛子心切卻溝通失控的家長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-11T10:21:02.150000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:21:10.358000+08:00","text":"當親師生三方衝突不斷在教學現場發生時，校園已經變成戰場了！","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-11T10:21:11.218000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:21:21.948000+08:00","text":"如果教育部還記得的話，其實去年5月28號我是第一個在委員會提出校事會議問題的委員，因為我收到很多第一線老師的求助。","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-11T10:21:25.611000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:21:38.880000+08:00","text":"8月7號我也再次提出，中間我開了兩次記者會呼籲，是不是應該把老師們的冤案做分流？","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-11T10:21:39.701000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:21:41.642000+08:00","text":"這是我當時提出的建議。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-11T10:21:42.382000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:21:55.316000+08:00","text":"非常高興教育部聽到了教學現場老師們的求救聲音，所以在1月12號公布並刪除匿名檢舉之規定。","quality":0.795},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-11T10:21:56.077000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:22:02.364000+08:00","text":"請問到目前為止，就這部分來說，有沒有收到來自校園現場有改善的回應？","quality":0.733},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-11T10:22:02.525000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:22:06.570000+08:00","text":"如果沒有，什麼時候可以讓我們知道具體回應？","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-06-11T10:22:07.170000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:22:17.776000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，1月12號我們修正了有關教師解聘不續聘停聘或資遣辦法後，有承諾會蒐集這半年內現場的狀況，並會持續做調整。","quality":0.725},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-06-11T10:22:18.657000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:22:33.805000+08:00","text":"剛剛也說明過，以目前來講，成案進入校事會議的案子本來為八成二，現在成案送到校事會議的只剩兩成二，但這部分還是要再持續精進努力。","quality":0.828},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-06-11T10:22:33.985000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:22:44.449000+08:00","text":"包含剛剛委員建議的安全防護機制指引，提供老師更好的支持等，這些都是我們在接下來的半年中要去執行精進的……","quality":0.792},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-11T10:22:44.889000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:22:46.290000+08:00","text":"有沒有比較具體的時程？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-11T10:22:46.790000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:22:47.511000+08:00","text":"大概什麼時候？","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-11T10:22:47.731000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:22:49.651000+08:00","text":"是學期末之後馬上會來做？","quality":1},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-06-11T10:22:50.912000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:22:54.094000+08:00","text":"我們對外承諾是半年，即1月12號到7月份……7月份？","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-06-11T10:22:54.975000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:22:58.497000+08:00","text":"我們會做整個檢討。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-11T10:22:58.497000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:23:01.519000+08:00","text":"好，所以7月份可以提出檢討。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-11T10:23:01.819000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:23:09.324000+08:00","text":"至於所謂的冤案及怎麼恢復老師名譽的部分……畢竟發生在你們公布之前，所以這部分怎麼處理？","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-06-11T10:23:10.825000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:23:20.158000+08:00","text":"上次委員會也通過對暫時停聘的老師，其本薪與學術研究費可以回補回來。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-06-11T10:23:21.019000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:23:23.903000+08:00","text":"接下來是不是有更進一步的協助措施？","quality":1},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-06-11T10:23:24.364000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:23:26.286000+08:00","text":"我們會再跟現場的老師再做討論。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-11T10:23:27.988000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:23:30.370000+08:00","text":"霸凌零容忍，尤其是校園的霸凌！","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-11T10:23:30.911000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:23:36.976000+08:00","text":"所以我們需要建立更及時、更安全的通報機制，來接住受傷的孩子與學生。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-11T10:23:38.277000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:23:40.900000+08:00","text":"當然，也希望能導正他們偏差的行為。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-11T10:23:40.900000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:23:42.021000+08:00","text":"再來，我希望能從對立走到對話！","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-11T10:23:42.241000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:24:05.238000+08:00","text":"為此，親師生大家都要放下防衛心，以共同幫助孩子作為溝通的起點，看如何才能讓我們的機制成為這些認真教學老師的後盾，並捍衛他們的教學尊嚴？","quality":0.839},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-11T10:24:05.238000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:24:06.198000+08:00","text":"我認為這點也非常重要。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-11T10:24:06.879000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:24:16.965000+08:00","text":"當老師的專業被尊重，當家長的焦慮被理解，學生的權益被重視，我想這才是一個健康安全的教學環境。","quality":1},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-11T10:24:17.566000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:24:19.467000+08:00","text":"我們一起來努力，好嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-06-11T10:24:20.067000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:24:20.489000+08:00","text":"是，謝謝委員指導。","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"郭委員昱晴","start":"2026-06-11T10:24:20.690000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:24:21.232000+08:00","text":"謝謝次長，謝謝主席。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-11T10:24:21.732000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-11T10:24:22.874857+08:00","text":"謝謝，請坐。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-11T10:24:23.174857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-11T10:24:39.460571+08:00","text":"跟郭委員再次說明，不好意思，因為之前已經有委員沒有簽署不復議同意書，既然上一次已經開了先例，所以就這部分希望郭委員可以體諒。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-11T10:24:39.760571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-11T10:24:59.189143+08:00","text":"我們都希望教文委員會的大家可以互相幫忙，但因為之前在野黨委員有提出法案，也沒有得到不復議同意書，所以既然開了先例，以後可能就會照著這樣子繼續進行。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-11T10:24:59.489143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-11T10:25:03.489143+08:00","text":"依先前的宣告，我們現在休息5分鐘。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-11T10:25:03.789143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-11T10:25:04.932000+08:00","text":"休息（10時25分）","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-11T10:25:05.232000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-11T10:25:06.946286+08:00","text":"繼續開會（10時30分）","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-11T10:25:07.246286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-11T10:25:08.389143+08:00","text":"現在開會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-11T10:25:08.689143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-11T10:25:11.546286+08:00","text":"請吳沛憶委員進行詢答。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}