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然後再去看看是不是那未來有沒有可能發生他們學校自己去採購這一種監視器呢我們在給學校警學校清查的同時也有要求學校"},{"start":228.906,"end":250.707,"text":"要針對於未來在擺放的位置它的外型那這個部分這個你們都要去要求這個學校不應該去裝設假裝是煙霧探測器結果是監視器不明白為什麼要這麼做既然不是為了偷拍為什麼要這樣子躲躲藏藏的這個教育部要拜託一下這很重要學生的隱私再來是這個營養午餐"},{"start":252.548,"end":272.146,"text":"在去年討論財化法的時候就是我們有非常多錢從中央現在分配到地方了意思就是說地方政府他可以依照自己的政策需求去編列他的預算那現在台北市呢在這個營養午餐今年就已經宣布說要營養午餐過去我們是說免費的營養午餐是補助給弱勢的孩子"},{"start":272.546,"end":291.986,"text":"現在台北市是等於是免費營養午餐普發了全面的實施那台北市現在財化法修法之後一年我們台北市是多拿了400多億那它營養午餐全面免費的話一年大概是要花費20多億如果以財政機率來看的話這個財源其實是台北市是付得起的"},{"start":292.446,"end":320.635,"text":"所以我覺得也尊重地方政府這樣的政策那隨之的我看到各縣市很多地方政府也開始跟上跟進說他們也要來做全面的營養午餐的免費那麼因為一方政府過去也在議會通常地方政府會宣布一個政策一定是他們自己評估過裁員就是說他有這個預算一定是有預算才有辦法去宣布尤其是你是發布了不是說我在演繹當中已經發布代表評估過裁員所以看起來地方政府應該說他們有這個"},{"start":322.355,"end":344.075,"text":"目前是負擔得起的是我們現在目前有哪些縣市是已經在實施全面營養午餐免費的根文報告目前22個縣市都已經宣布要實施營養午餐免費22個縣市全部都宣布了那已經在實施了因為有些是過去本來就免費的比如說桃園嘛它本來都在實施是本來有10個縣市第五巡流"},{"start":344.335,"end":361.443,"text":"是免費營養午餐但因為在才發法之後他們一方面他們經費足夠深入委員講的第二個部分也因為要提供更好的一個福利所以現在22縣市22縣市等於就是全國了啦對我們全國各縣市都已經宣布"},{"start":361.943,"end":381.03,"text":"未來就是我們孩童的學童的營養午餐是免費那這個部分呢地方政府既然有裁員有辦法支出我是希望說教育部我也要拜託你們我們的預算應該要去挹注在其他的現在地方政府沒有裁員的地方或是說不屬於地方政府的管轄例如說今天的學貸"},{"start":382.452,"end":409.511,"text":"我也有提案我覺得學貸就很重要這個學貸就是我們教育部要來去把預算抑制在這個地方幫助學生減輕他的負擔然後例如說這個托育然後例如說我們相關其他的地方政府目前不是每個縣市都已經在宣布的我們教育部要多多來支持所以營養午餐既然免費的地方政府已經有預算我們就不要去跌床架屋好那最後一點是"},{"start":410.632,"end":424.568,"text":"我也要提醒因為今天我們也有這個營養午餐法當中有提到飲食教育那最近因為我們台灣的作家楊雙子他奪得到了國際顧客獎這個台灣漫遊錄這一本書其實裡面就是以台灣的食物為主題的"},{"start":425.509,"end":444.086,"text":"那我想台灣的文學作品跟飲食相關的也很多我們在推飲食教育的時候應該要把人文跟歷史也納進來讓孩子也可以透過食物認識到我們的文化跟歷史的根源這一點我覺得很重要也請你們可以一起來納入好 我們會來努力好 謝謝江一步 謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-11T10:30:32.220000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:30:32.220000+08:00","text":"請教育部。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-11T10:30:34.041000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:30:34.041000+08:00","text":"有請教育部。","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-11T10:30:39.106000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:30:39.866000+08:00","text":"這個簡報的封面錯了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-06-11T10:30:39.986000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:30:39.986000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-11T10:30:43.890000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:31:19.210000+08:00","text":"次長，前一陣子發現竟然在很多醫美診所裝設針孔，看起來是煙霧探測器，結果原來裡面是針孔攝影機，引起社會譁然，很多女性也非常驚恐；第一個，擔心自己是不是已經有影像被拍到了，第二個，非常納悶既然要裝設監視器，為什麼要把它設成隱藏式的、為什麼要偽裝？","quality":0.936},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-11T10:31:20.091000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:32:01.731000+08:00","text":"然後讓我們更納悶的是，後來發現原來在校園裡面傳出兩起，而且幾乎是同一天，第一個是在北教大，另外一起是在輔大，北教大這一案後來發現是有外人跑進去學校，在女廁所裝設針孔攝影機，學校也第一時間馬上就通報了，後來這個人也有找到，大概是兩天內警察就查緝到，所以學校的反應速度還算快，不過第一時間還是學生先發現的，我覺得學校的警覺都要再更敏銳一點。","quality":0.961},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-11T10:32:01.731000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:32:21.621000+08:00","text":"但是輔大這一案就讓我們更納悶了，因為後來發現輔大這個偽裝成煙霧偵測器的監視器是學校自己採購的，為什麼學校要採購這種隱藏式的監視器呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-11T10:32:22.022000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:32:23.043000+08:00","text":"教育部有沒有去了解？","quality":1},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-06-11T10:32:25.204000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:32:36.595000+08:00","text":"針對輔大的案子，目前了解的狀況是學校在建館那個當下一整批採購的時候就有，所以學校確實沒有盡到把關的責任。","quality":0.959},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-11T10:32:37.135000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:32:38.236000+08:00","text":"採購了一整批嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-06-11T10:32:38.236000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:32:43.521000+08:00","text":"對，在建這個館的時候就一起採購進來的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-11T10:32:43.541000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:32:43.621000+08:00","text":"採購了多少？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-11T10:32:46.373000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:32:53.399000+08:00","text":"這種偽裝式的監視器，假裝是煙霧探測器，結果是監視器，他們裝了多少在學校裡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-06-11T10:32:53.399000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:32:55.581000+08:00","text":"我們會後把清查資料再提供給委員。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-11T10:32:55.681000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:32:56.682000+08:00","text":"到現在還沒查出來嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-06-11T10:32:56.682000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:32:58.504000+08:00","text":"有查出來，已經有要求學校……","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-11T10:32:58.604000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:32:59.325000+08:00","text":"拆掉了沒有？","quality":1},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-06-11T10:32:59.905000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:33:22.158000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，上週教育部已經正式發函給各級學校，請校方要針對於校內所有有攝影鏡頭的，甚至一些隱密場所，都要進行全面清查，我們是請學校在兩週內完成清查，清查結果是不是再跟委員說明？","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-11T10:33:22.758000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:33:22.758000+08:00","text":"兩週內。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-11T10:33:22.758000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:33:39.603000+08:00","text":"沒錯，我今天就是要拜託教育部，因為之前校園傳出偷拍事件，這也不是第一起了，就是外人進去學校裡面裝攝影機，甚至高中也有發生過，然後也有一些甚至是學生自己裝設的也都有，所以我要拜託教育部……","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-06-11T10:33:39.603000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-11T10:33:40.744000+08:00","text":"應該的，我們來做。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-11T10:33:40.744000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:33:44.605000+08:00","text":"我們也已經請學校要盤點清查了，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-06-11T10:33:44.605000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-11T10:33:45.605000+08:00","text":"是，我們上週已經正式發文要求了。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-11T10:33:44.605000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:33:46.245000+08:00","text":"兩週內會清查出來？是。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-11T10:33:47.025000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:33:51.427000+08:00","text":"清查出來的如果還有這種偽裝式攝影機，我們是不是要求全部要拆卸？","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-06-11T10:33:52.228000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:33:55.872000+08:00","text":"對，我們都要求學校會同警方拆。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-11T10:33:56.232000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:33:56.833000+08:00","text":"全部拆掉！","quality":1},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-06-11T10:33:56.933000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:33:58.735000+08:00","text":"對，然後再去看看是不是……","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-11T10:33:58.915000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:34:02.580000+08:00","text":"未來有沒有可能發生學校自己去採購這種監視器呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-06-11T10:34:03.441000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:34:13.071000+08:00","text":"我們在請學校清查的同時，也有要求學校要針對未來擺放的位置、它的外型，這個部分都已經有相關規範。","quality":0.791},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-11T10:34:13.411000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:34:14.592000+08:00","text":"這個你們都要去要求，好不好？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-06-11T10:34:14.592000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-11T10:34:15.854000+08:00","text":"對，都有要求。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-11T10:34:15.854000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:34:19.797000+08:00","text":"學校不應該裝設這種假裝是煙霧探測器，結果是監視器。","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-06-11T10:34:19.797000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-11T10:34:20.797000+08:00","text":"是，沒錯。","quality":0},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-06-11T10:34:20.797000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-11T10:34:21.797000+08:00","text":"這不應該！","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-11T10:34:20.238000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:34:21.699000+08:00","text":"不明白為什麼要這麼做！","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-11T10:34:22.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:34:25.663000+08:00","text":"既然不是為了偷拍，為什麼要這樣躲躲藏藏的？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-11T10:34:26.284000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:34:26.464000+08:00","text":"這個要拜託教育部。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-06-11T10:34:26.464000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-11T10:34:27.745000+08:00","text":"這應該的，我們有要求。","quality":0.111},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-11T10:34:27.745000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:34:29.186000+08:00","text":"這很重要，這是學生的隱私。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-11T10:34:29.326000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:34:42.318000+08:00","text":"再來是營養午餐，去年討論財劃法的時候，有非常多錢從中央分配到地方了，意思就是地方政府可以依照自己的政策需求去編列預算。","quality":0.982},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-11T10:34:43.439000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:34:55.730000+08:00","text":"現在臺北市針對營養午餐，今年就已經宣布營養午餐……過去是免費的營養午餐補助給弱勢的孩子，現在臺北市等於是免費營養午餐普發了，全面的實施！","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-11T10:34:57.592000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:35:13.547000+08:00","text":"財劃法修法之後，臺北市一年多拿了四百多億，營養午餐全面免費的話，一年大概是要花費二十多億，如果以財政紀律來看的話，這個財源其實臺北市是付得起的，所以我覺得也尊重地方政府這樣的政策。","quality":0.892},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-11T10:35:14.567000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:35:23.470000+08:00","text":"隨之的我看到各縣市很多地方政府也開始跟進，他們也要全面營養午餐免費。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-11T10:35:23.790000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:35:42.736000+08:00","text":"因為我過去也在議會，通常地方政府會宣布一個政策，一定是他們自己評估過財源，就是一定先有預算才有辦法宣布，尤其是已經發布了，而不是還在研議當中，已經發布代表評估過財源，所以看起來目前地方政府應該是負擔得起的！是。","quality":0.854},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-11T10:35:43.537000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:35:47.861000+08:00","text":"目前有哪些縣市已經在實施營養午餐全面免費的？","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-06-11T10:35:48.922000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:35:53.867000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，目前22個縣市都已經宣布要實施營養午餐免費。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-11T10:35:53.867000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:35:54.887000+08:00","text":"22個縣市全部都宣布了？對。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-11T10:35:55.608000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:36:00.332000+08:00","text":"已經在實施的……因為有些是過去本來就免費的，比如說桃園，它本來就在實施。是。","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-06-11T10:36:00.633000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:36:15.821000+08:00","text":"本來有10個縣市是免費營養午餐，但因為在財劃法之後，一方面他們的經費也足夠，誠如委員講的；第二個部分也因為要提供更好的福利，所以現在22縣市都跟上了。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-11T10:36:16.361000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:36:18.502000+08:00","text":"22縣市其實等於就是全國了。對。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-11T10:36:18.622000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:36:24.724000+08:00","text":"全國各縣市都已經宣布未來學童的營養午餐免費。","quality":1},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-06-11T10:36:24.724000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-11T10:36:25.724000+08:00","text":"全面免費。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-11T10:36:25.185000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:37:06.310000+08:00","text":"關於這個部分，地方政府既然有財源，有辦法支出，我是希望教育部，我也要拜託你們，我們的預算應該要挹注在其他現在地方政府沒有財源的地方，或是不屬於地方政府管轄的地方，例如今天說的學貸，我也有提案，我覺得學貸就很重要，學貸就是你們教育部要把預算挹注的地方，幫助學生減輕他的負擔，例如托育、例如其他地方政府……並不是每個縣市都已經宣布的，我們教育部要多多支持，所以免費營養午餐既然地方政府已經有預算，教育部就不要疊床架屋。","quality":0.888},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-11T10:37:07.771000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:37:40.624000+08:00","text":"最後一點我要提醒，因為今天我們也有營養午餐法，當中有提到飲食教育，最近我們臺灣的作家楊双子得到國際布克獎，「臺灣漫遊錄」這一本書裡面就是以臺灣的食物為主題，我想臺灣的文學作品跟飲食相關的也很多，我們在推飲食教育的時候，應該要把人文跟歷史也納進來，讓孩子可以透過食物認識我們的文化跟歷史的根源，這點我覺得很重要，也請你們可以一起納入評估。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-06-11T10:37:41.605000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:37:41.965000+08:00","text":"非常認同，我們會努力。","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"吳委員沛憶","start":"2026-06-11T10:37:42.266000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:37:43.086000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝教育部，謝謝。謝謝。謝謝。","quality":0.417},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-11T10:37:43.586000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-11T10:37:46.443143+08:00","text":"下一位有請吳思瑤委員。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}