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謝謝委員確實如果以就學貸款來講目前的三個法令本來就有一個授權辦法所以就過去20年教育部我們就做了很多都是這樣做嘛所以我們期待如果有這樣的空間我就舉一個例子我們最早的學貸是你畢業後一年就要開始還款了然後我們在民國95年有特別去規定如果你的月收入沒有超過3萬塊你可以都不要還"},{"start":432.4,"end":457.698,"text":"最多可以三年可是随着整个经济的发展跟学生青年的负荷我们现在已经变成说你月薪在五万块以下你都可以来申请连本金一起都不用还所以我们都在舍着学生的需要减轻学生的负担不管是在学期间或是他出出社会缓缓的那个压力所以行政权限该做的而且有财政的能力的权衡我们一定做"},{"start":458.579,"end":482.344,"text":"做到能做的極致但立法委員該做的就是原則性的修法授權行政部門去合理執行而如果認為行政部門執行的不到位立法委員可以用的工具是什麼就是審預算啊我在審預算的時候認為你這項高教師做得不夠好國教署做得不正確我可以用審預算的時候提出我的把關不是嗎但是現在預算不審啊"},{"start":486.246,"end":516.006,"text":"在下面一个营养午餐我很快的结束营养午餐下一个22个县市全面宣布营养午餐分两类第一类是在才化法还没修正的时候有10个县市包括桃园在内就有10个县市自己省着地方财源是OK的在才化法修正前中央还没有把这么多更多的钱下放地方之前10个县市就自己扛自己认为行有余力地方愿意自行买单"},{"start":517.027,"end":540.182,"text":"才化法修正之後因為中央擴大了以台北市每年增加給台北市政府多拿了460億對不起470億新北可以每年多拿432億所以地方政府認為在才化法新修之後他行有餘力另外的12個縣市也全面宣布營養午餐免費"},{"start":541.002,"end":558.189,"text":"這告訴我們省著財政狀況是重要的不管是中央或地方地方自己辦得到地方手腳負責任他願意用地方的財力去買單營養午餐這就是現在的政策進行是嗎但是現在"},{"start":559.861,"end":581.229,"text":"我看到委員又要修法把地方自己能夠負擔自己願意自行買單的卻要透過修法要強加 又要中央去搶單這可不道理如果說這個營養午餐修法又被這樣片面增加了立法就是行政部門的支出會增加多少億啊 每年"},{"start":584.881,"end":604.365,"text":"138億嘛我們原本三張EQ每年願意給地方74億現在反過來財化法下放了預算之後再搭配在議黨委員提出的版本又違憲又違反預算法又違反財政紀律法又將把中央的教育部門每年要再增加138億的預算所以下一頁"},{"start":611.122,"end":639.971,"text":"財化法挖空了中央財源中央已經每年少了4165億地方可以增加4000多億的預算如果我要再一次提醒今天的三個就是說今天的學貸三法跟營養午餐法營養午餐法會增加中央138億然後學貸會增加400億加100億是500億所以今天的這個法律如果在立法院又倉促的"},{"start":641.081,"end":662.647,"text":"修正通過了就今天教育委員會又會增加教育部門行政部門一年638億的預算支出很可觀很可怕教育部今年的預算已經少了多少教育部本部因為才化法的後遺症下一頁今年已經減少了892億的預算"},{"start":666.144,"end":675.31,"text":"如果今天一天學貸三法加上營養五三法又要中央買單立委強行片面增加政府預算支出又會增加638億一年"},{"start":678.94,"end":706.579,"text":"國家會垮欸財政紀律不復存在欸這是嚴肅的課題教育部門勇敢的表達你們的立場照顧學生協助地方我們每一天都在做我也要請在野黨的委員三思再三思今天一旦逐條審查通過又要增加638億的教育部門的支出錢在哪裡次長錢在哪裡"},{"start":708.43,"end":734.475,"text":"我們期待可以透過我們現在的執法讓步裡面可以橫著財政跟學生需求來照顧精準的照顧到有需要的學生所以立委不要為加碼而加碼立委當好立法院的工作立法院不要搶當行政院國家的財政這樣子真的會整個崩壞財政制度638億今天的"},{"start":737.675,"end":742.341,"text":"四個法案我真的覺得大家三思再三思謝謝好謝謝委員請坐"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-11T10:37:54+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-11T10:37:56.098250+08:00","text":"謝謝，有請朱次長、有請彭署長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-11T10:37:56.098250+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-11T10:37:58.196500+08:00","text":"有請次長、有請署長。","quality":0},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-06-11T10:37:58.196500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-11T10:38:00.294750+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-11T10:38:00.294750+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-11T10:38:02.393000+08:00","text":"辛苦次長、署長，辛苦大家。","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-11T10:38:02.393000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:38:43.947000+08:00","text":"我是非常遺憾，立法院的亂象到現在任期已經過了一半，權力分立原則還是持續亂了套，預算權是行政權，立法院是行使對於行政院送出的預算要監督、要把關，憲法規定得非常清楚，預算法也應當看懂。","quality":0.988},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-11T10:38:44.976000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:38:58.447000+08:00","text":"所以說立法院不應當一再的用修法的方式片面加碼預算，立法院該做的事是符合憲法、符合法規去審查預算才對。","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-11T10:38:58.447000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:39:20.467000+08:00","text":"可是現在的立法院不當立法院了，立法院是搶當行政院了，預算拖延到現在，教科文的預算，286天，羅召委所負責的文化部、運動部、故宮跟國科會都還沒有翻開預算書第一頁，連一筆都還沒有實質審查。","quality":0.675},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-11T10:39:22.127000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:39:45.754000+08:00","text":"所以說預算如果不審查，但是立委另一方面卻增加政府預算支出，違反憲法、違反預算法、違反財政紀律法，這些法規我們已經講了兩年多，立法院為什麼不審預算，然後一再提跟預算加碼相關的法案，就算通過了，沒有預算怎麼執行呢？","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-11T10:39:47.816000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:39:54.820000+08:00","text":"我真的是要再一次抗議這樣一個權力分立被亂了套的亂象。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-11T10:39:56.561000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:40:01.545000+08:00","text":"我更要反對召委排案的差別待遇。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-11T10:40:02.665000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:40:23.071000+08:00","text":"今天針對學貸三法，民進黨吳思瑤、郭昱晴、伍麗華、吳沛憶、張雅琳、陳培瑜委員所提出來的版本因為仍在復議期，所以沒有辦法列案，召委獨厚國民黨的版本，就丟包了這些民進黨委員的版本，學貸三法有這麼急嗎？","quality":0.872},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-11T10:40:25.483000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:40:50.372000+08:00","text":"搶著今天列案，把其他的版本丟包了，而且今天要逐條，如果通過了違憲的版本，我們民進黨的版本最終不見天日，我們連搶救的機會都沒有，我再說一次，這些法案重要但有比預算重要嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-11T10:40:50.372000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:40:52.754000+08:00","text":"我還是要再一次強調，應當先審預算而不是搶排法案。","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-11T10:40:55.697000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:41:07.251000+08:00","text":"回到今天的學貸三法版本，行政部門擴大照顧學生，幫助學習、減負擔，大專生受惠的覆蓋率已經達到52%了，對不對！","quality":0.435},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-11T10:41:09.734000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:41:28.727000+08:00","text":"學雜費減免每年投入280億國家預算，另外賴總統宣示就學貸款新的方案：在學期間免息，還款的寬延期限延長到畢業後2年，還款的利率也再降1%，每年增加的預算是15億。","quality":0.791},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-11T10:41:30.528000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:41:50.498000+08:00","text":"所以280億及15億是行政院、教育部審酌國家整體財政紀律，政府做得到，政府能做，政府願意做，政府行有餘力，行政權就可以編預算，之後有需要修法嗎？","quality":0.729},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-11T10:41:50.498000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:41:57.400000+08:00","text":"次長，像之前的學雜費減免及高中職學費全免有需要修法嗎？","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-06-11T10:41:57.400000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:42:02.622000+08:00","text":"這個部分都是用計畫方案或是根據既有的授權辦法就可以執行。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-11T10:42:03.702000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:42:27.129000+08:00","text":"是，所以行政權跟立法權的分工非常清楚，行政院為了擴大照顧學生與弱勢，它編列預算及修正相關的辦法、法規就可以執行，而不是立法院在這裡搶功勞、割稻尾，在這裡無視財政紀律一再的違憲加碼。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-11T10:42:28.189000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:43:22.909000+08:00","text":"我們看看今天提出的這些版本，我要強調民進黨委員的版本都被丟包，國民黨委員提出來的要加碼再加碼，家庭所得淨額適用稅率12%就免納學費，家庭所得最後五等分最低的20%就免納學費，上面加總起來每年是增加400億的國家預算，下面的五等分要另外增加100億的預算，加起來就要再膨脹500億的國家預算，依據財政紀律法、預算法及憲法，立委不可以增加政府支出，除非找到合理的籌措財源，而且要跟行政部門商議，這500億……教育部因為財劃法一年已經少了九百多億的預算，要如何再籌措呢？","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-11T10:43:23.750000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:43:26.892000+08:00","text":"所以這些東西我真的不樂見。","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-11T10:43:26.892000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:43:39.776000+08:00","text":"有立委說要擴大照顧學生，很好，我們都支持，請讓行政部門依據行政的權限去執行，如今卻一再的修法加碼、再加碼。","quality":0.787},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-11T10:43:39.776000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:44:02.881000+08:00","text":"立委不需要籌措預算，立委只需要這樣子開支票，我實在不能接受，支持學生的權益各黨都有一致的共識，我要再次強調民進黨立委的版本不應當被丟包，我們該做的是進行原則性的修法並授權行政部門執行。","quality":0.942},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-11T10:44:03.522000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:44:24.859000+08:00","text":"在學貸三法的部分，大學法第三十五條增列第三項，政府應依學生家庭所得或其他的經濟狀況，提供經濟不利處境學生助學措施，其執行額度、條件、權利義務由教育部定之；高級中等教育法及專科學校法亦然。","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-11T10:44:25.640000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:44:38.853000+08:00","text":"民進黨委員的版本，就是給予一個母法的授權，原則性的規範及執行的條件、額度、權利義務授權教育部門進行，你們是不是比較同意這樣的作為？","quality":0.983},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-06-11T10:44:39.382000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:44:40.923000+08:00","text":"是，謝謝委員。","quality":1},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-06-11T10:44:40.923000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:44:49.189000+08:00","text":"確實，如果以就學貸款來講，目前的三個法令本來就有一個授權辦法，所以過去20年來教育部做了很多精進的措施。","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-11T10:44:49.369000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:44:50.490000+08:00","text":"都是這樣做嘛。","quality":1},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-06-11T10:44:51.630000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:44:53.572000+08:00","text":"我們也很期待，如果有這樣的空間。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-06-11T10:44:53.572000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:45:05.180000+08:00","text":"我舉一個例子，最早的學貸是畢業後1年就要開始還款了，民國95年開始有特別規定，如果你的月收入沒有超過3萬元，最多可以3年都不要還款。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-06-11T10:45:07.441000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:45:17.068000+08:00","text":"可是隨著整個經濟的發展及學生青年的負荷，現在已經變成你的月薪在5萬元以下都可以申請連本金、利息都不用還……","quality":0.583},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-11T10:45:17.388000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:45:25.054000+08:00","text":"對，所以我們都在審酌學生的需要，減輕學生的負擔，不管是在學期間或是他初出社會還款的壓力。","quality":0.575},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-11T10:45:25.534000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:45:56.104000+08:00","text":"所以行政權限該做的，而且有財政能力的權衡，我們一定會做到能做的極致；但立法委員該做的就是原則性的修法，授權行政部門合理執行，如果認為行政部門執行不到位，立法委員可以用的工具是什麼，就是審預算，我在審預算的時候，認為高教司這項做得不夠好，國教署做得不正確，可以在審預算的時候提出我的把關，不是嗎？","quality":0.925},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-11T10:45:56.104000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:45:56.324000+08:00","text":"但是現在不審預算啊！","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-11T10:46:00.406000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:46:29.646000+08:00","text":"接下來是營養午餐，22個縣市全面宣布營養午餐免費分兩類，第一類是在財劃法還沒修正的時候，包括桃園在內就有10個縣市自己審酌地方財源是OK的，在財劃法修正前，中央還沒有把更多的錢下放地方之前，10個縣市就自己扛，自己認為行有餘力，地方願意自行買單。","quality":0.639},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-11T10:46:31.367000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:46:54.182000+08:00","text":"財劃法修正之後，因為中央擴大財源分配，如臺北市每年多拿470億，新北市每年多拿432億，所以地方政府認為財劃法新修之後行有餘力，另外的12個縣市也全面宣布營養午餐免費。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-11T10:46:55.002000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:47:10.308000+08:00","text":"這告訴我們不管是中央或地方審酌財政狀況是重要的，當地方評估自己辦得到，地方首長願意負責任用地方的財力為營養午餐買單，這就是現在的政策進行式。","quality":0.682},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-11T10:47:11.908000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:47:26.366000+08:00","text":"但是我看到委員又要修法，把地方自己能夠負擔且願意自行買單的部分，要透過修法強加，又要中央去搶單，這有道理嗎？","quality":0.898},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-11T10:47:27.266000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:47:34.909000+08:00","text":"如果營養午餐修法又被這樣片面增加了，每年行政部門的支出會增加多少億？138億。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-11T10:47:38.881000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:47:58.185000+08:00","text":"138億嘛，原本三章一Q每年願意給地方74億，現在的狀況反過來，財劃法下放預算之後，再搭配在野黨委員提出的版本，違憲、違反預算法又違反財政紀律法，中央的教育部門每年又要再增加138億的預算。","quality":0.899},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-11T10:47:58.205000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:48:14.245000+08:00","text":"所以財劃法挖空了中央財源，中央每年已經少了4,165億，地方可以增加四千多億的預算。","quality":0.829},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-11T10:48:15.525000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:48:29.569000+08:00","text":"我要再一次提醒，今天的營養午餐法會增加中央138億，學貸三法會增加400億加100億是500億。","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-11T10:48:29.569000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:48:50.665000+08:00","text":"所以今天這些法律如果在立法院又倉促的修正通過了，教育委員會將增加教育行政部門一年638億的預算支出，很可觀也很可怕，教育部今年的預算已經少了多少呢？","quality":0.94},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-11T10:48:51.526000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:49:13.360000+08:00","text":"教育部的部本部因為財劃法的後遺症今年已經減少892億的預算，如果今天學貸三法加上營養午餐法又要中央買單，立委強行片面增加政府一年638億的預算支出，國家會垮耶！","quality":0.843},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-11T10:49:14.901000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:49:29.931000+08:00","text":"財政紀律不復存在是嚴肅的課題，請教育部門勇敢地表達你們的立場，我們每一天都在照顧學生及協助地方，我也要請在野黨的委員三思再三思。","quality":0.817},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-11T10:49:30.552000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:49:39.858000+08:00","text":"今天一旦逐條審查通過，又要增加638億的教育部門支出，錢在哪裡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-11T10:49:39.858000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:49:40.579000+08:00","text":"次長，錢在哪裡？","quality":1},{"speaker":"朱次長俊彰","start":"2026-06-11T10:49:42.430000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:49:53.532000+08:00","text":"我們期待可以透過現在的執行模式，讓部裡面可以衡酌財政及學生的需求以精準地照顧到有需要的學生。","quality":0.773},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-11T10:49:53.692000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:50:15.980000+08:00","text":"所以立委不要為加碼而加碼，立委做好立法院的工作，立法院不要搶當行政院，國家的財政，這樣子真的會整個崩壞財政制度，今天的四個法案會增加638億，我真的覺得大家三思再三思，謝謝。","quality":0.934},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-11T10:50:16.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-11T10:50:16.321000+08:00","text":"謝謝吳委員，請坐。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-11T10:50:16.821000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-11T10:50:19.963857+08:00","text":"也跟吳思瑤委員特別報告……","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-11T10:50:20.263857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-11T10:50:23.121000+08:00","text":"不用評論、不用報告，謝謝……","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-11T10:50:23.421000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-11T10:50:27.706714+08:00","text":"我們昨天議事錄已經確定，6月11日開始……","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-11T10:50:28.006714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-11T10:50:30.863857+08:00","text":"不用評論，我不想聽，謝謝……","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-11T10:50:31.163857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-11T10:50:34.306714+08:00","text":"我們今天中午就結案收件……","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-11T10:50:34.606714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-11T10:50:36.892429+08:00","text":"不用再評論了，謝謝！","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-11T10:50:37.192429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-11T10:50:38.906714+08:00","text":"不用再評論了！","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-11T10:50:39.206714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-11T10:50:46.635286+08:00","text":"我想吳思瑤委員也要先確認一下議事錄的內容，可能不太清楚……","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-11T10:50:46.935286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-11T10:50:50.649571+08:00","text":"我真的覺得不要評論，我受夠了！","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-11T10:50:50.949571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-11T10:50:56.092429+08:00","text":"請問一下吳思瑤委員，黃偉哲市長也有提到……","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-11T10:50:56.392429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-11T10:50:59.535286+08:00","text":"請召委不要評論每個委員……","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-11T10:50:59.835286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-11T10:51:10.406714+08:00","text":"中央跟地方對於0歲到18歲成長津貼共同分擔，會造成所謂的中央來買單，地方也要跟著買單……","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-11T10:51:10.706714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-11T10:51:27.563857+08:00","text":"你有時間，讓我們審預算，不要在這裡評論其他委員的質詢，您沒有這樣子的權力，請不要在這裡每一天都要聽您過當的評論每一個立委的質詢……","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-11T10:51:27.863857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-11T10:51:33.578143+08:00","text":"我覺得這個部分，還是希望委員能夠同一個標準……","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-11T10:51:33.878143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-11T10:51:37.592429+08:00","text":"請尊重每個立委的質詢權好嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-11T10:51:37.892429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-11T10:51:40.178143+08:00","text":"請您趕快排審預算……","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-11T10:51:40.478143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-11T10:51:43.335286+08:00","text":"不要自己可以，別人不行……","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-11T10:51:43.635286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-11T10:51:54.206714+08:00","text":"我們運動部、文化部、故宮、國科會的預算，預算書連第1頁都還沒有翻開、預算書1筆都沒有通過……","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-11T10:51:54.506714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-11T10:52:00.792429+08:00","text":"為人民爭取更多權益，特別要拜託委員不要兩套標準。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-11T10:52:01.092429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-11T10:52:03.949571+08:00","text":"委員，您的時間已經到了……","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-11T10:52:04.249571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-11T10:52:07.963857+08:00","text":"請停止評論每一個立委的質詢……","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-11T10:52:08.263857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-11T10:52:13.121000+08:00","text":"因為您有所疑問，所以我們一定要回應你……","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-11T10:52:13.421000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-11T10:52:18.563857+08:00","text":"昨天陳培瑜委員也向您抗議過了，到此為止。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-11T10:52:18.863857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-11T10:52:24.006714+08:00","text":"委員應該也要好奇一下，下個禮拜我當召委……","quality":0},{"speaker":"吳委員思瑤","start":"2026-06-11T10:52:24.306714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-11T10:52:27.163857+08:00","text":"召委尊重每個委員好嗎？","quality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ue,"end":"2026-06-11T10:56:21.892429+08:00","text":"對於吳思瑤委員不斷的在說我們把他們的法案丟包，我們也希望吳思瑤委員不要兩套標準，上次在野黨的委員有提案，相關的法案，你們不願意去簽不復議，所以丟包了其他的委員，所以作為召委，我們一定要非常公正，既然民進黨已經開了先例，先不簽署別人的不復議，所以我想我們就維持民進黨所開出的標準，繼續保持這樣子的一個態度，以上，跟委員報告。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-11T10:56:22.192429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-11T10:56:29.906714+08:00","text":"非常可惜，委員不願意聽我們的分享，一貫的就是不斷的雙套標準。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-11T10:56:30.206714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-11T10:56:36.206714+08:00","text":"下面有請羅廷瑋委員質詢，請羅智強委員代理主席。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席（羅委員智強代）","start":"2026-06-11T10:56:36.506714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-11T10:56:38.792429+08:00","text":"請羅廷瑋委員詢答。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}