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食安管理资讯的揭露我们会跟地方来做更紧密的合作不会因为说由地方来做我们就不做但是老师确实在经费的部分现在地方其实财力应该是可以支援那我们今天因为有要讨论整个营养午餐的专法是不是可以请教育部也可以提出来这个会后提出来四件事第一个专法会送行政院行政院送立法院的具体时程吗"},{"start":388.147,"end":393.174,"text":"好 這第一個第二個 中央與地方裁員的分擔表因為"},{"start":393.993,"end":421.223,"text":"我们未来主人公的这个营养午餐我们还是希望我们中央可以来承担那第三个午餐执行秘书专职化或是教师兼任检授课的全国标准第四个营养师厨工厨房设备和偏乡共餐的分年补助计划这些是不是可以在一个月内向委员会提出可以吗我请署长这边跟委员说明一下好不好"},{"start":421.563,"end":437.255,"text":"不用说明可不可以就是一个一个提言议说明对对对提出来好最后可不可以请主席最后在场的教育部教育部是不是可以提出全国营养师午餐秘书厨工跟厨房的设备盘点"},{"start":437.975,"end":455.975,"text":"提給教育委員會那財政部今天也有來是不是提出中央地方的分擔模式可不可以請主席採視再來就是衛福部能否提出這個請衛福部提出食安風險的稽查以及異常通報制度"},{"start":456.796,"end":483.717,"text":"那请农业部提出在地食材的稳定供应与价格调节机制可不可以请主席采访这个是不是可以请今天有来的四个部会送教育委员会可以吗主席可以吗委员因为时间到了但是委员所提的相关需求也希望我们相关部会应该给予正面的回应那是不是会后能够提供这些相关的筹备计划"},{"start":484.677,"end":500.907,"text":"但新主席才是另外有三個部門因為它是在地方政府的一些設備的盤點是不是可以給我們比較長的時間兩個月內好 那就兩個月好不好盤點的話兩個月因為最近行政減量是不是委員能夠同意三個月三個月內謝謝委員謝謝委員的辦理謝謝 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