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你怎麼辦呢我想這個部分第一個我們也希望同仁們能夠就是說"},{"start":647.335,"end":664.742,"text":"大家去體會同仁的辛苦那我們也要鼓勵同仁啦那看看委員這邊能不能給予更高的支持等等我們的支持啊你要提出來啊你要提出來怎麼做啊比如說你可以用我們基層的加薪加津貼公務員其實非常辛苦不管是我們的稅務基層同仁或在部內的同仁都很辛苦的我覺得是這樣子稅務基層能不能給他加津貼啦"},{"start":677.011,"end":681.114,"text":"這個當然是人種必須要整體去做考量最後一個問題 最後一個小問題啊當然房地產已經管制了它這個不再加碼"},{"start":689.416,"end":705.14,"text":"我們看到七大獨位區五月份個人房地合一只有桃園市 台中市 台南市是減少 其他都增加你覺得我們房地產是不是回穩了你從這裡面看"},{"start":708.001,"end":735.819,"text":"就我们所了解整个房地产来说目前交易量是稍微往下降但是价大概在盘整那房地合一税这个部分涉及到第一个就是说买卖的价差之间有多大差距另外还有一个持有时间持有时间短那它的税率就高所以这个有各个因素在里面对你就回答我是不是你认为回稳了还是有待观察我觉得还是可以再做观察的好谢谢"},{"start":737.739,"end":738.729,"text":"謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-15T09:58:50.982000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T09:58:53.343000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席以及各位先進，有請財政部莊部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-15T09:58:53.343000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T09:58:53.463000+08:00","text":"有請莊部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-06-15T09:58:53.463000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T09:58:53.503000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-15T09:58:53.543000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T09:58:53.903000+08:00","text":"部長早。","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-15T09:58:53.923000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T09:58:56.363000+08:00","text":"首先先問一下，今天很多委員有提案，內容是提高扣除額，可以減少稅負的負擔，財政部的立場是怎麼樣？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-15T09:58:56.363000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T09:58:56.383000+08:00","text":"通通反對嗎？","quality":0.4},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-06-15T09:59:21.568000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T09:59:23.810000+08:00","text":"我想基本上各位委員的提案……","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-15T09:59:24.110000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T09:59:26.352000+08:00","text":"基本上通通反對？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-06-15T09:59:26.352000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T09:59:34.939000+08:00","text":"減輕相關的租稅負擔，尤其是針對育兒家庭，這個部分我們在院版即將會提出來，也就是對於未成年子女……","quality":0.93},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-15T09:59:35.059000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T09:59:35.900000+08:00","text":"院版提出什麼？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-06-15T09:59:36.640000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T09:59:44.002000+08:00","text":"我們會提出院版，對於未成年子女的免稅額可以加50%，也就是說，0到18歲的孩子115年度的免稅額，在明年報稅適用的時候會從10萬1,000元調高到15萬1,500元。","quality":0.828},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-15T09:59:53.425000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T09:59:53.665000+08:00","text":"什麼時候可以提出來？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-06-15T09:59:53.685000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T09:59:53.845000+08:00","text":"應該會在最近，這個會期一定會提出來……","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-15T09:59:53.905000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T09:59:54.066000+08:00","text":"最近是指什麼時候？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-15T09:59:54.106000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T09:59:54.126000+08:00","text":"這個月嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-15T09:59:54.126000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T09:59:54.186000+08:00","text":"下個月嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-06-15T09:59:54.186000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-15T09:59:55.186000+08:00","text":"這個月應該可以提送出來。","quality":0.273},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-15T09:59:54.206000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T09:59:54.326000+08:00","text":"這個月可以提出來？","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-06-15T09:59:54.326000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T09:59:54.406000+08:00","text":"對，我想這個目標跟各位委員應該是相同的……","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-15T09:59:54.406000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T09:59:54.947000+08:00","text":"就是只有一個，兒少的扣除額增加50%，就這個是不是？","quality":0.619},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-06-15T10:00:15.147000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:00:20.772000+08:00","text":"免稅額增加50%，0到18歲都可以減這個部分。","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-06-15T10:00:21.894000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:00:31.123000+08:00","text":"至於其他的部分，因為我們鼓勵生育，其實政府是全方位的提出措施，有18項措施，這只是其中的一項。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-15T10:00:31.123000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:01:00.937000+08:00","text":"好，其實小的要照顧，老的也要照顧，所以我的提案是包含老年人，因為按照現在的趨勢，去年出生人數大概是10萬，今年絕對不會超過10萬，人力（manpower）其實是嚴重短缺，所以老的這一方面也可以考慮。","quality":0.821},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-15T10:01:01.057000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:01:17.713000+08:00","text":"股市繼續一直在飆漲，社會的M型化惡化，薪資所得占綜合所得超過七成，我認為薪資的特別扣除額可以提高，對不對？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-15T10:01:17.713000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:02:02.486000+08:00","text":"部長，現在買股幾乎變成臺灣的全民運動，用錢賺錢，而用人賺錢這一部分，我們要鼓勵他不要把工作辭掉，不要去變成一個小白，去股市裡面上下，我們就鼓勵他，他要去投資股票可以，但是不要忘了勞動所得，我們要鼓勵用體力辛苦去賺錢的人，所以他的扣除額可以提高，部長，你同意嗎？","quality":0.853},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-06-15T10:02:06.892000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:02:13.877000+08:00","text":"關於委員這個部分的建議，所得稅在所有稅收裡面占的比例是比較高的……","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-15T10:02:13.877000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-15T10:02:15.238000+08:00","text":"所得稅占所有的稅收多少？","quality":0},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-06-15T10:02:15.238000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"20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uessed":true,"end":"2026-06-15T10:05:17.905000+08:00","text":"我們來研議好不好？","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-15T10:05:17.826000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:05:20.588000+08:00","text":"什麼時候研究可以出來？","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-15T10:05:20.588000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-15T10:05:22.570000+08:00","text":"兩個月可以嗎？","quality":0.167},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-06-15T10:05:22.570000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:05:23.931000+08:00","text":"不會那麼快，三個月可以嗎？","quality":0.545},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-06-15T10:05:23.931000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-15T10:05:24.931000+08:00","text":"給我們三個月。","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-15T10:05:23.931000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:05:25.613000+08:00","text":"三個月，研究一下啦！","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-15T10:05:25.773000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:05:39.844000+08:00","text":"因為社會已經失控了，你是很重要把關的人，財政部的稅制可以抑制M型化惡化，我覺得非常重要，你的責任很大。","quality":0.935},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-15T10:05:46.266000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:05:53.910000+08:00","text":"其次，關於兒少的成長津貼，你剛剛講的是免稅額，其實有成長津貼，說3,800億，其實不是3,800億，因為舊的已經有一千七百多億，他增加2,000億，結果是用作業要點來增加這個，是不是？","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-15T10:06:06.837000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:06:08.499000+08:00","text":"不用修法，這麼好啊！","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-06-15T10:06:08.499000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-15T10:06:09.499000+08:00","text":"對，沒有要修法，這個部分是不是請衛福部說明一下？","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-15T10:06:09.279000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:06:09.560000+08:00","text":"你視立法院於無物喔！","quality":0.444},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-15T10:06:09.640000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:06:11.101000+08:00","text":"我們立法院可以關門了，都不要經過修法，2,000億耶！","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-15T10:06:11.121000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:06:14.504000+08:00","text":"直接一紙行政命令就這樣撥出去，2,000塊可以，2,000萬也可以，2,000億耶！","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-15T10:06:14.504000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:06:14.784000+08:00","text":"就這樣子喔？","quality":1},{"speaker":"周署長道君","start":"2026-06-15T10:06:31.217000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:06:43.824000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，所有成長津貼所需要的費用一定會循標準的預算程序，經過預算審查之後，我們才會依照相關作業要點的……","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-15T10:06:44.605000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:06:46.946000+08:00","text":"預算審查，你這個要修法啦！","quality":1},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-15T10:06:47.626000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:06:59.993000+08:00","text":"不能用作業要點，我跟你講清楚，你們現在如果這樣編進來，只有改作業要點的話，我們會把它拉下來，因為行政命令也要經過立法院，備查而已，但我們會改為審查。","quality":0.818},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-15T10:07:00.474000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:07:05.837000+08:00","text":"我就跟你講，行政權這樣蠻橫擴權，立法院是沒有辦法接受的！","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-15T10:07:06.717000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:07:08.198000+08:00","text":"這麼多錢，2,000億耶！","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-15T10:07:10.079000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:07:23.023000+08:00","text":"賴總統講的3,800億裡面，增加了2,000億，增加這2,000億後，結果便宜行事，直接用行政命令，立法院是不會接受的啦！","quality":0.791},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-15T10:07:23.383000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:07:29.507000+08:00","text":"我就先講清楚，這個作業要點，你們一定要送來這裡備查，我們會改成審查。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-15T10:07:31.048000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:07:37.612000+08:00","text":"再看下一個題目，部長，5月底已經報稅完畢了嘛？","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-06-15T10:07:37.612000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-15T10:07:40.308000+08:00","text":"是的，已經……","quality":0},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-15T10:07:40.308000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:07:41.809000+08:00","text":"網路報稅大於九成，手機報稅占網路的45%，可是為什麼到現場臨櫃的沒有減少？","quality":0.844},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-15T10:07:41.829000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:08:02.585000+08:00","text":"稅務基層人員需求沒有減少，稅務基層人員少17%，大家忙得要命！","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-15T10:08:04.466000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:08:12.230000+08:00","text":"有人跟我反映，部長你聽好了，照理講，手機報稅是指你可以在家裡面用手機報稅，但他不是耶！","quality":0.605},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-15T10:08:12.791000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:08:14.832000+08:00","text":"他本來是到現場去臨櫃報稅，結果你們為了要衝業績，叫他改為手機報稅，變這樣子啦！","quality":0.686},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-15T10:08:14.852000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:08:15.232000+08:00","text":"有人跟我反映，有沒有？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-06-15T10:08:23.691000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:08:29.816000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，對，有些民眾到現場去，我們的同仁會指導他用手機報稅，指導一次以後，他以後……","quality":0.73},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-15T10:08:29.816000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-15T10:08:30.816000+08:00","text":"你看，到臨櫃去手機報稅，笑死人了！","quality":0},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-06-15T10:08:29.896000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:08:34.059000+08:00","text":"但是跟委員報告，一次以後，他以後就會了，因為有些人需要慢慢去了解這個東西，我覺得不要這樣就抹煞手機報稅的便利性，其實有很多民眾是在家報稅的。","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-15T10:08:34.059000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-15T10:08:54.573000+08:00","text":"財政部作弊，說手機報稅有多好又多好。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-06-15T10:08:54.573000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:08:58.336000+08:00","text":"這不叫作弊，而是我們稅務同仁去指導他，那麼下次他就會了。","quality":0.88},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-15T10:08:58.336000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:09:02.538000+08:00","text":"他到現場去就臨櫃了，你還現場去用手機，笑死人了！","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-06-15T10:09:03.018000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:09:03.859000+08:00","text":"不是，我們認為讓他去習慣、適應這樣的方式。","quality":0.556},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-15T10:09:03.959000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:09:16.251000+08:00","text":"現在因為年改的問題，大家都不願意考基層公務人員，你們稅務基層人員少17%，你要怎麼辦啊？","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-06-15T10:09:16.672000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:09:33.019000+08:00","text":"關於這個部分，第一個，我們也希望大家能夠去體會同仁的辛苦，我們也要鼓勵同仁，看看委員能不能給予更高的支持等等。","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-15T10:09:33.259000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:09:35.340000+08:00","text":"我們都支持，但你要提出來啊！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-15T10:09:36.200000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:09:38.741000+08:00","text":"你要提出來你要怎麼做，比如說，你可以幫基層加薪、加津貼……","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-06-15T10:09:38.741000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:09:40.302000+08:00","text":"其實公務員非常辛苦，不管是稅務基層同仁或在部內的同仁，我覺得都很辛苦。","quality":0.844},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-15T10:09:41.182000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:09:41.722000+08:00","text":"給稅務基層人員加津貼啦！","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-15T10:09:41.722000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-15T10:09:54.011000+08:00","text":"可以嗎？","quality":0},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-06-15T10:09:54.011000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:09:56.813000+08:00","text":"這個當然是人總必須要整體去考量的。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-15T10:09:57.113000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:10:21.380000+08:00","text":"最後一個小問題，央行對房地產的管制不再加碼，我們看到七大都會區5月份個人房地合一稅只有桃園市、臺中市、臺南市減少，其他都增加，從這裡來看，你覺得我們的房地產是不是回穩了？","quality":0.829},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-06-15T10:10:25.001000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:10:31.946000+08:00","text":"就我們所了解，以整個房地產來說，目前交易量是稍微往下降，但是價格在盤整。","quality":0.719},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-06-15T10:10:33.106000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:10:45.455000+08:00","text":"房地合一稅第一個涉及到買賣的價差之間有多大差距，另外還有一個是持有時間，如果持有時間短，稅率就高，有各個因素在裡面。","quality":0.623},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-15T10:10:46.715000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:10:50.198000+08:00","text":"你就回答我是不是，你認為回穩了還是有待觀察？","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-06-15T10:10:50.738000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:10:52.399000+08:00","text":"我覺得還是可以再觀察。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"賴委員士葆","start":"2026-06-15T10:10:52.679000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:10:55.234000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-15T10:10:55.734000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-15T10:10:57.734000+08:00","text":"謝謝賴士葆委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-15T10:10:58.034000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-15T10:11:00.319714+08:00","text":"接著請郭國文委員。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}