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我們其實氣象站大概有四個人就是一個主任還有三個職員那在要辦這種科普活動的時候我們會從北部這個地方族本部這邊還有南部相關的一些會過去支援那也是希望說能夠多辦一點類似的活動能夠更讓各界能夠了解氣象的知識還有氣象的宣導"},{"start":7123.712,"end":7141.623,"text":"其實你就沒關係啦這方向都是這樣我是跟署長提點就是方向就是這樣希望你們可以再努力那另外一個也很重要就是我們會結合譬如說科工館那一邊因為它是一個現場的一個展場那裡面也有一些相關一些氣候變遷地震的"},{"start":7142.003,"end":7168.894,"text":"所以那邊辦活動其實氣象署的同仁也會過去去做相關的資源所以這一方面在高雄部分的氣象科普宣傳所以你們可以結合一起宣傳比如說他幫忙宣傳你的你幫忙宣傳他的就是很簡單的講因為我是看你們去活動參與人數差不多100人我覺得有點可惜第一個花很多錢第二個花很多人力結果出來的效益"},{"start":7170.29,"end":7195.275,"text":"那個CP值不高我是要提醒你們這個部分希望說你們可以在這部分多加強甚至你跟裡面在地的志工你們專業的需要你們可能也需要很多的志工那這個部分其實可以跟在地結合如果有問題我也可以幫忙那就說我們朝著這個把他的CP值增高把他的參與人數增加讓更多的市民可以享受到"},{"start":7196.093,"end":7213.054,"text":"我希望說你們朝這個方向去努力那有需要地方幫忙支援的也可以跟我聯絡我們可以協助的一定會盡力來協助 好不好好 謝謝我們扩大啦好就是這一句話 扩大希望你們可以往這個方向去做好 我們來努力 謝謝好 謝謝"},{"start":7217.984,"end":7242.441,"text":"好 謝謝許智傑委員發言完畢現在請黃建豪委員發言黃建豪委員發言完畢之後休息15分鐘請各黨團助理告知接下來的委員以便安排行程 謝謝好 謝謝主席主席我們要請氣象署署長 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21號可是在22號之後的雨量就逐漸沒那麼大了還在下雨可能沒那麼大了所以我們在往後滾動的時候我們的雨量如果加到後面的那個比較小的值的話我們那個感覺上好像是雨量的估計會往下"},{"start":9118.94,"end":9140.73,"text":"下修事實上因為雨量未來會變小所以大家看到數據就會感覺到越來越小越來越小這個是一個現象這些現象其實我們也有跟防災單位都有做適當的溝通這些現象防災單位也大概都知道說這些資料如果照預報來看的話本身就會有這樣子的變化的確是到了22號以後雨量有逐漸的變小的這種情況"},{"start":9142.831,"end":9164.75,"text":"所以我想這個我們還是要很很精密很準確的來做這樣的一個預估啦那尤其我們現在中央跟地方政府用確定的數據決定決策很多的事情我想這個動輒你們不是動輒得救啦你們是會未來會面臨很多的一個直接的一個挑戰那我想尤其是目前剛剛我們召委也有特別提到"},{"start":9165.57,"end":9182.579,"text":"這個我們根據我們中央氣象署113年這個氣候年報我們的年均溫已經高達24.6度也創下了歷史紀錄那因為高溫現在會變成 會造成所謂的一個熱衰竭 熱昏厥甚至中暑的一個狀況那所以"},{"start":9183.399,"end":9206.202,"text":"我們目前有個人力銀行也有調查 有高達將近5成的勞工 贊成要放這個高溫假但是這個會跟我們的資方這個大家都在 會有一個衝突點因為我們明年 以我們明年來看 我們這個放假天數也已經高達120天所以資方也要挖那未來針對這樣的一個高溫假的部分 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36度的時候我們會提醒民眾發黃色的警戒然後到了37度的時候我們會發橙色38度我們會發紅色用這些訊息來讓外界去知道說天氣的變化至於說放不放假的問題其實各行各業的調適都不大一樣的像農民勞工"},{"start":9271.114,"end":9300.549,"text":"還有一般的學校等等甚至在不同的地方的草原其實都不大一樣所以我們氣象署發布這個訊息之後他們要如何去做調適氣象署要提供更精密的資料給他們所以也不只是中午雖然時間溫度最高什麼時候溫度譬如說我們現在將來氣象署會發布逐時天氣預報會把整個時間的序列也發布出來讓民眾在高溫的時候或者在使用這個資料的時候怎麼去做適當的調適這個氣象署會努力來做這一步"},{"start":9300.609,"end":9330.489,"text":"所以應該精準到每個小時都可以目前我們是每三個小時發布一個氣溫將來會發的更細一點不過現在比較溫度部分已經是每小時之類會提供了所以我們希望把這個資料能夠各個地方其實各個地方不大一樣我們這個資料已經小到以相正尺度在提供這些資料了就是我們越來越精準希望說這個資料能夠讓外界在因為高溫在調適的時候的作為能夠有所參考"},{"start":9331.069,"end":9357.755,"text":"好那謝謝署長我想除了這個高溫之外我想我們怎麼樣這個能夠建置這個防災的降雨雷達提升我們的一個防災韌性也是一個很重要的課題那目前我們全臺有三座的一個降雨雷達站那今年我們預估會再增加這個湖山水庫跟宜蘭蘇澳的一個降雨雷達站這將變成五座了那我想未來五座足夠因應我們這樣的一個臺灣的一個預測的一個準度嗎"},{"start":9360.664,"end":9377.826,"text":"跟委員報告目前的三座基本上是在高雄台中還有在新北目前的降雨雷達未來要建構的應該是在明年可能會落成今年可能有點來不及"},{"start":9378.346,"end":9404.319,"text":"所以明年我們會提供這一些更細緻的雷達去觀測都會區那這一些基本上是都會區的雷達將來其實很多災害的起點都是從山區那山區部分的觀測目前雨量站的觀測也比較不容易去見因為通常都要入能夠到的地方像這一次在馬太安溪上游根本就沒有雨量站在那裡所以目前的監測只能夠用雷達去做監測"},{"start":9405.419,"end":9430.162,"text":"所以我們期待說將來能夠有更細的雷達除了都會區能夠加強之外像中高海拔這些觀測能夠有更好的這些監測技術出來所以目前氣象署有在做移動式雷達的這個實驗那也是希望說在比較脆弱區的時候需要氣象資料氣象署可以利用這些移動式雷達去做緊急的去做觀測去了解山上下雨的情況能夠提供給將來防災的使用"},{"start":9432.103,"end":9450.695,"text":"我看這個應該要儘快建置尤其我們現在這個颱風期間這個山區的雨量動輒一兩千公里一兩天之後就下到平地我想對平地造成很大一個損害我們怎麼樣能夠掌握精準的一個資訊能夠防範未來我想這是氣象署未來要努力的一個方向謝謝徐副委員發言完畢現在請廖先祥委員發言"},{"start":9468.462,"end":9469.629,"text":"好 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建構的雨量站我們有一千多個雨量站在這個資料裡面我們有七顆雷達的資料在這個資料裡面其實這一些背後包含的成本都應該是好幾億在裡面的成本"},{"start":9599.93,"end":9617.095,"text":"那這裡面的資料所發布的天氣預報資料我們知道天氣預報預報有一個模型在做預報那這個模型在做預報的時候其實它通常需要有地面資料觀測資料去做叫做校正調整它能夠去調整到你真的國外的氣象公司沒有辦法做到這一點"},{"start":9617.535,"end":9637.91,"text":"一般氣象公司它沒有這麼多台灣的這些基本的資料在裡面所以你可以看到它還是有預報它是沒有校正過的那我想大家應該都有知道有一個APP很有名叫做Windy它裡面可以看到很漂亮的那些動畫颱風什麼一看就知道氣象署做的哪有它這麼好"},{"start":9638.91,"end":9658.804,"text":"的確是他做得真的非常好而且他在全世界是非常非常都有受用的可是你假如說你要看到進去阿里山的天氣他就跟氣象署爆出來會不一樣因為他沒有足夠的資料去詮釋說氣的資料我們有沒有比較過準確率之類的我們有沒有去這集本身的應該會有吧"},{"start":9659.625,"end":9678.651,"text":"如果從雨量上來看的話其中Windy看的雨量看不出台灣的山前跟山後的差別看不大出來不過你如果從氣象署的定量降雨預報的話你就可以看得出那些大概是什麼顏色大概雨量大概會照就可以看得很清楚所以從空間的解析度來講他們的解析度可能就是"},{"start":9679.751,"end":9701.443,"text":"10公里 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跟委員報告現在的地面觀測站的水平距離我們全台有漁量站有1300多個水平觀測距離大概有3公里到5公里"},{"start":9789.821,"end":9806.61,"text":"那我們的所以說我如果做的比他還小的話我就必須做內插不過我們降於我們的雷達觀測我們的雷達觀測可以小到200多公尺最密的就是離雷達很近的地方他可以看得到比較細的資料那衛星他的觀測大概是一公里一個網格點"},{"start":9808.231,"end":9824.959,"text":"所以我們的預測如果說預測到這比2.5公里更小的話我們就必須善用這一些資料去做應用那就目前來講氣象署是有往這個方向去推現在我們這2.5公里大概可以做到所謂的鄉鎮預報鄉鎮市區的尺度的預報"},{"start":9825.979,"end":9843.76,"text":"那氣象署就我所知道現在因為其實就以像新北市這麼大其實新北市包括台北市的東南西北全部都是新北市那你就是必須要針對新北市的各個不同的區域去做分析那常常像我自己的居住地是汐止常常以前念書的時候騎摩托車從汐止"},{"start":9846.022,"end":9871.313,"text":"騎沒三分鐘到台北突然發現就只有我們身上有穿雨衣常常會有這樣的現象雨停了對啊那我們如果說2.5公里其實對都會區來講的話其實2.5公里還是一個蠻長的一塊距離啦如果說它的地形有明顯的落差的時候2.5公里可能就有造成不一樣的一個氣候形態那我們剛剛署長說你有下一階段的目標那現在是6.25平方公里的一個區塊嘛"},{"start":9872.694,"end":9897.461,"text":"那下一段的目標你們是大概設定到多少的精細度鄉鎮預報接下來就是村里預報是那村里預報我們目前估計大概要下到1公里的解析度才能夠去解構出村里預報的等級就1乘1這樣子嗎對對對好 那現階段我們這樣子的目標有沒有設定不過這一些因為我們的高速電腦的運算呢網格點越細的話它會花更多的時間去處理這件事情"},{"start":9898.206,"end":9920.209,"text":"那將來有…所以原則上設備大概原則上就這樣子但後續都是靠系統的模型去做推測對…那將來有機會…如果說AI發展到一個程度的話它可以做更多的辨識還有更多的應用因為AI它在訓練模組的時候需要很多的算力等它訓練好之後在應用部分它的算力就會節省很多"},{"start":9920.489,"end":9944.058,"text":"好謝謝那最後一個小問題我們氣象署有沒有跟這個觀光署那邊去做全台觀光景點的一個合作的天氣預報的界階有其實在13個風景區其實我們都有合作那甚至在他們在放熱氣球的時候其實我們也可以做有跟他們做及時的預報讓他們活動能夠順利九份就在那邊大家都知道九份在那邊但是九份下雨瑞芳不一定下雨"},{"start":9944.438,"end":9964.669,"text":"對方車輛不一定下雨尤其是三層的地方氣象特別的明顯那這部分我覺得後續可以再做一些更精密的一些每個景點或許你剛剛講十多個觀光景區嘛對不對那後續可能是不是不一定它是一個觀光景區而是一個我們認為的一個國際觀光客的一個熱門景點或國內認為觀光客的景點我們都可以來做加強好不好 以上謝謝謝主席"},{"start":9969.601,"end":9991.007,"text":"好 謝謝廖先生委員發言完畢現在請鍾嘉斌委員 鍾嘉斌委員 鍾嘉斌委員不在現在請陳冠廷委員 陳冠廷委員 陳冠廷委員不在現在請邱若驊委員發言"},{"start":9998.97,"end":10001.873,"text":"謝謝主席主席請氣象署呂署長請署長委員好"},{"start":10009.285,"end":10033.276,"text":"署長好 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請署長"},{"start":10465.902,"end":10490.051,"text":"那也謝謝趙偉這次我看到相關的出席的這個成員署長那也有請環境部的氣候變遷署也有一起來與會因為之前都提到我們氣象署如何跟氣候變遷署的這個功能分工跟搭配都能夠在議題上面做同步那今天謝謝趙偉那環境部的副署長今天有來"},{"start":10490.931,"end":10520.274,"text":"那回頭來講剛才延續許多委員所質詢到的問題那本席一樣是想要追蹤這個好雨價目前來講是標準是通過嘛在去年的話已經把相關的標準來做一個公告那在各縣市政府因為這個好雨價達到標準那是在今年度那在這個放假的一個情況那署長你覺得有達到這個保護安全的一個效果嗎"},{"start":10524.331,"end":10543.422,"text":"豪雨的發生會產生的災害其實層面相當的廣在我的印象中其實早年對豪雨本身的預測能力還沒有那麼強的時候通常都是事件在發生的時候才去決定停班停課可能要怎麼樣去實行"},{"start":10544.222,"end":10571.164,"text":"那最近幾年其實在氣象署在政府的支持之下委員支持之下其實定量降雨預報的可用度逐漸的在提升好 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那處長我不勉強那其實最主要是"},{"start":10666.437,"end":10683.676,"text":"因為在質詢部分我們沒有辦法是想說好像那當然說我們要知道的是因為這個好語的標準達到所以哪些地區在今年總共幾次在哪些縣市還總共因為這樣達到了好語價的一個一個實施或是還需要來做測理那"},{"start":10684.296,"end":10699.479,"text":"本行還是希望說在這個好語價它能夠實際上達到不管是保護民眾還甚至在這個地方能夠提早先做一個安排的部分那能夠達到效果而不要讓好語價它是一個形同虛設的一個制度"},{"start":10700.08,"end":10724.657,"text":"那剛才還是再次也肯定這個我們的氣象署在許多的資料的提供還也讓這些縣市政府他們可以早點撤離這個是事實那也是要對氣象署的專業表達肯定那同樣的 本席也想接著追問不管是這個花蓮這個艷澀湖以及包括在南投雲林草嶺的這個部分那其實也同樣的會因為好雨或是氣象預測那而讓這個"},{"start":10727.459,"end":10753.456,"text":"這個已經驗射壺他造成風險的部分來去做一個警示的機制那一般來講的話可能大家都會把焦點聚焦在水保相關還有這個壺要如何讓他引流但是在氣象署的部分是否有針對這樣子驗射壺會有隨時有好雨或是有各種的風險的部分跟地方政府還保持一個機制或者是一個預防的一個"},{"start":10757.938,"end":10779.466,"text":"跟委員報告 以這一次馬太安溪為例的話在應該是在颱風來臨之前跟這個過程裡面氣象署有針對馬太安溪上游利用氣象雷達提供定量的降雨給應該是那是林保署吧林保署他們在做應變機制的時候的使用"},{"start":10780.126,"end":10802.409,"text":"那之後呢其實在光復村復原的這段時間氣象署也每一天都有提供這些資料給林保署參考那這個資料基本上是每一個小時去update我們的information所以在前進協調所在看這些事情的時候氣象署都有把這個資料提供給他們even在利物溪的這件事情氣象署也提供這些資料給他們參考"},{"start":10803.61,"end":10821.327,"text":"那這些資料其實背後就是說 如果去面對剛剛委員有提到說 像南投之間的這些假如說有驗債服的話 氣象署現在所提供QP上的資訊是可以提供這些語量檢測 即使那邊沒有語量佔的話 我們可以用雷達去估計這些語量給他們參考"},{"start":10821.724,"end":10849.039,"text":"那本席還是要強調一個建議就氣象署的角色目前還是偏向資訊提供的單位但是其實要如何能夠把它提升為這個風險治理夥伴的一個角色那其實在剛才回覆的內容的話不管是林保署或是相關的這個單位但是其實不管是對那個花蓮縣政府或是包括南投縣政府或雲林縣政府都有這個驗社服驗賽服的問題"},{"start":10850.62,"end":10878.275,"text":"那如何能夠在這個部分提早來對全台灣有這種風險潛勢地區能夠先做一些規劃或是提早來做檢測那同時能夠跨過不管是中央的部會甚至地方政府都能夠有一個溝通的機制跟平台那我覺得這樣子才比較能夠達到在7.2變遷法第18條那這些資料提供都能夠有共享的一個機制那我相信這樣子能夠更全面"},{"start":10878.775,"end":10908.079,"text":"那如何能夠來增進跟地方政府的一個連結我非常同意委員的看法其實氣象資料要連結到災但災有不同的災嘛對不對所以氣象署現在在推一個叫做有感氣象服務就是我們的impact based就是以受影響的角度去看這件事情氣象署如何提供這些資訊讓決策者可以因為他的受影響程度他自己的脆弱度去面對這一些他應該做的一些風險的管理那這一部分氣象署會努力來推這件事情"},{"start":10908.419,"end":10922.808,"text":"好 那本席還是希望署長能夠把後面這一個機制如何能夠來搭建這樣平台的進度那也能夠持續的提供給本席辦公室 是的那我們在後續會議來持續討論 是的 謝謝謝謝委員 謝謝好 謝謝游浩委員發言完畢現在請葉元之委員發言"},{"start":10944.202,"end":10965.308,"text":"主席好 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