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謝謝委員提案我們都會很重視部長請回謝謝我要現在請全序部一下"},{"start":566.332,"end":569.813,"text":"請全序部主專委"},{"start":585.024,"end":611.184,"text":"我們對於勞保健保還有公教保險軍保這些社會保險費其實我們不是不想繳我想公務人員不是不想繳而是法律要求必須要繳既然是強制性的支出我們這次的所得稅法的修正的提案有部分提案是針對公教人員保險勞保軍保等社會保險所規定繳納的保險費"},{"start":612.965,"end":634.172,"text":"希望能夠就是不納入新之所的課稅讓被保險人依照他各個職域的社會保險規定繳納的保險費實質上不要成為課稅的基礎我想這個問題不僅是公教人員的問題而是所有壽星階級都會面對的制度性的負擔問題我想請問全序部"},{"start":637.173,"end":644.998,"text":"面對說我們讓這個就是我們的工人員的保險或者軍保這些不要成為我們實質課稅的基礎你們贊不贊成"},{"start":650.262,"end":668.51,"text":"就這個部分呢我們是就是涉及這些逐稅的事宜那因為也對於我們這個公教人員被保險人這個是比較有利的但是我們還是尊重法治主管機關財政部的意見還有大約這個"},{"start":670.871,"end":698.634,"text":"你們的專案報告提到說你們是要尊重最後財政部的一個意見但是我想畢竟權序部作為公務人員制度的一個主管機關我希望你們不是說要一去尊重財政部就把球丟給財政部你們還是要有你們的看法跟意見所以在法案的審查的時候也希望你們提出你們的看法好不好支持我們的公教人員"},{"start":699.996,"end":700.336,"text":"好 以上謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-06-15T10:53:31.093000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:53:33.376000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，先請莊部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-15T10:53:33.376000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:53:33.536000+08:00","text":"請莊部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-06-15T10:53:33.536000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:53:34.056000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-06-15T10:53:34.257000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:53:34.357000+08:00","text":"部長早。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-06-15T10:53:35.558000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:54:03.389000+08:00","text":"部長，關於公股金融機構近來面臨嚴重的人才流失與競爭力下滑問題，我們前幾天也看到臺銀林董事長提出建議，要修改國營事業管理法，不要讓制度變成國營發展的絆腳石。","quality":0.986},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-06-15T10:54:04.630000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:54:08.671000+08:00","text":"所以我要請問部長，是否贊同臺銀林董事長的建議？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-06-15T10:54:08.671000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:54:14.513000+08:00","text":"對於國營事業管理法，財政部有在研議應該如何修改嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-06-15T10:54:14.513000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:54:58.417000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，謝謝委員支持我們國營的銀行，財政部跟臺銀都有充分討論，我們也提出了5項可以改善同仁的待遇，包含生育補助，這個部分行政院已經通案補助10萬；另外像伙食費，我們也建議調整；還有績效獎金希望能從4.4個月調高到4.6個月；在員工酬勞的部分，我們也希望能夠按照他的績效給予一些增加的酬勞；以及辦理員工福利信託。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-06-15T10:54:58.417000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:55:09.245000+08:00","text":"這個部分我們都已經有提出，目前行政院人事總處正在會商各機關研議當中，我想這個部分大家都是朝相同的目標在努力。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-06-15T10:55:09.945000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:55:33.817000+08:00","text":"這些福利政策我們當然是肯定，但我想重點是在於，財政部在5月20號的一個報告，有提到幾項落實國營留才與攬才的措施，譬如說多元管道的攬才、聚焦數位金融與資安人才、全面推動員工持股信託。","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-06-15T10:55:35.808000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:55:51.224000+08:00","text":"部長，除了你剛才講到幾個現在的獎勵措施以外，對於剛才提到的這些措施，你覺得能夠澈底解決臺銀或者土銀這些公股銀行所提出的問題與憂慮嗎？","quality":0.919},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-06-15T10:55:51.224000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:55:56.550000+08:00","text":"你剛才提出的這幾個恩惠措施足夠嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-06-15T10:55:56.550000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:56:29.743000+08:00","text":"我想這是他們提出來的，就部裡的立場來協助他們去做這樣的爭取；其他的部分當然會透過多面向的方式來攬才、留才，很重要的是我們要育才，讓我們的同仁可以在機構裡面成長，能夠成長他們才更有意願留下來，我想職場環境一定要不斷地推進，用各種方式留才。","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-06-15T10:56:30.284000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:56:32.185000+08:00","text":"友善的環境當然要把它弄好。是。","quality":0.692},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-06-15T10:56:33.106000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:57:05.891000+08:00","text":"但是我們最近看到臺銀還有土銀的新進人員甄試以及錄取率統計，顯示今年第一季徵才報名人數創近10年的新低，不到1,400人；錄取率也是來到近10年的最高水準，有報名的話幾乎都會被錄取，也不是報考就會錄取，就是錄取率變高，而土地銀行也有類似的現象。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-06-15T10:57:07.031000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:57:12.212000+08:00","text":"部長，對於這種人力斷層、人力不足的問題，你有關注到嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-06-15T10:57:14.322000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:57:17.163000+08:00","text":"我知道，這個部分確實如同委員所說的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-06-15T10:57:17.243000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:57:22.884000+08:00","text":"所以您覺得主要原因是什麼？","quality":0.917},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-06-15T10:57:22.884000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:57:25.704000+08:00","text":"我跟委員報告，其實很大的原因是薪資結構的不同。","quality":0.524},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-06-15T10:57:25.724000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:57:42.208000+08:00","text":"就是薪資嘛，你心裡非常了解，就是薪資缺乏市場競爭力，人家寧願到民間銀行或者是其他行庫，不願意到臺銀或者土銀這幾家銀行。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-06-15T10:57:43.769000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:57:52.693000+08:00","text":"財政部除了剛才你講的幾個方案以外，到底部長心中有沒有什麼確切的解決方案可以提出來？","quality":0.974},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-06-15T10:57:52.713000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:58:10.478000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，剛剛是我們就福利的部分爭取；至於您提到的薪資，這個部分又涉及到整體國營事業的考量，希望看看能不能夠有一個解決的方式。","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-06-15T10:58:10.918000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:58:34.168000+08:00","text":"其實在財政部可以做的部分，已經做到國營銀行的薪資能夠跟公務員的薪水脫鉤，過往公務員的薪水調多少就調多少，現在其實脫鉤，已經以績效考量，我想調薪的幅度已經比公務員的調薪幅度來得高了。","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-06-15T10:58:34.628000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:58:39.690000+08:00","text":"國營事業管理法需要檢討修改，這個你贊成吧？","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-06-15T10:58:39.690000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-15T10:58:41.506000+08:00","text":"你才能夠確實把薪資比照跟其他公股銀行一樣。","quality":0},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-06-15T10:58:41.506000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:58:53.236000+08:00","text":"關於國營事業管理法的修改，國營事業管理應該是屬於經濟部的，因為有整體其他的國營事業機構在裡面。","quality":0.795},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-06-15T10:58:54.337000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:58:56.078000+08:00","text":"你覺得要改嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-06-15T10:58:56.078000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:58:57.700000+08:00","text":"我們當然建議可以把它納入考慮來改……","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-06-15T10:58:58.601000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:59:00.222000+08:00","text":"要納入檢討。對！","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-06-15T10:59:00.222000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-15T10:59:01.222000+08:00","text":"也希望委員能支持。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-06-15T10:59:00.642000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:59:05.887000+08:00","text":"還有剛才您提到整個有關福利調整的方案，確實人總也已經同意了。","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-06-15T10:59:08.307000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:59:09.749000+08:00","text":"是生育補助的部分已經通案通過。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-06-15T10:59:09.909000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:59:11.891000+08:00","text":"還是卡在人總那邊？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-06-15T10:59:11.891000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:59:15.335000+08:00","text":"人總正在會同其他機關一起研議。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-06-15T10:59:15.335000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:59:17.017000+08:00","text":"人總也不會有意見啦！","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-06-15T10:59:21.319000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:59:27.480000+08:00","text":"當然他們也要考慮其他的因素一併來考量，其他的國營事業他們應該也會一併來做考量。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-06-15T10:59:27.800000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:59:28.640000+08:00","text":"人總會不贊成喔？","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-06-15T10:59:29.981000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:59:32.901000+08:00","text":"這個部分我想他們會跟其他機關一起來考慮。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-06-15T10:59:32.901000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:59:33.962000+08:00","text":"部長，我覺得你還是要積極去克服啦！是的。","quality":0.471},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-06-15T10:59:34.242000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:59:39.643000+08:00","text":"我想人總不贊成一定有他的原因，他的原因到底是什麼？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-06-15T10:59:39.643000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T10:59:54.826000+08:00","text":"我覺得財政部要跟他充分的說明，否則真的會影響你們這幾個臺銀、土銀非常重要的延攬人才問題，會沒辦法解決！","quality":0.851},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-06-15T10:59:54.826000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-15T10:59:55.826000+08:00","text":"好的，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-06-15T10:59:54.826000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T11:00:28.104000+08:00","text":"另外部長，少子化已經成了國安的問題，財政部提到行政院版本表示自115年1月1號起，未成年子女的免稅額增加50%，你剛才也有提到，今天很多委員提案都主張擴大幼兒學前的扣除額，教育學費的扣除額也放寬到18歲以下的子女，另外把保險費、健檢費也列入扣除額。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-06-15T11:00:28.104000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T11:00:31.747000+08:00","text":"我想請教部長，院版有沒有這方面的規劃？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-06-15T11:00:31.747000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T11:00:31.827000+08:00","text":"對於健檢費、保險費的部分。","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-06-15T11:00:35.757000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T11:00:51.530000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，我們財政部報行政院的版本是因應臺灣人口對策的新戰略，這裡面要減輕育兒家庭的租稅負擔，所以我們對於0到18歲孩子的免稅額，每一個人提高50%，從10萬1,000元提高到15萬1,500塊。","quality":0.908},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-06-15T11:00:51.550000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T11:01:29.216000+08:00","text":"也跟委員報告，如果家中有孩子是0到6歲的話，他還有幼兒學前特別扣除額，第一胎是15萬，第二胎以後是22.5萬，這兩個是疊加的，所以0到6歲孩子的扣除額其實達到30萬1,500元，如果是第二胎的話則達到37萬6,500元，所以這個部分我們確實有提出來了，在孩子的租稅負擔是有所減輕的。","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-06-15T11:01:30.017000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T11:01:38.484000+08:00","text":"部長，其實我想告訴你，現在委員有提案關於保險費跟健檢費的部分，這部分你沒有列入考量嗎？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-06-15T11:01:39.882000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T11:01:43.927000+08:00","text":"在這一次的院版裡面並沒有提這個。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-06-15T11:01:43.927000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-15T11:01:44.927000+08:00","text":"沒有考量？是。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-06-15T11:01:44.447000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T11:02:23.817000+08:00","text":"我也想請部長要重視，因為保險費或者健檢費對一般家庭而言也是不輕的負擔，所以這次有些委員提案，把它列為扣除額，這些都是民眾面對不管是醫療、年金、健康風險的基本支出，我希望財政部能夠納入檢討，未來我們在審查這個法案的時候，也希望財政部能夠支持，而不是一昧的如你今天講的──請支持行政院的版本。","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-06-15T11:02:24.217000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T11:02:41.849000+08:00","text":"我想行政院的版本大概跟大家都大同小異，我們都會支持，至於一些新的修法提案，也希望財政部能夠納入，一併把它修正，好不好？謝謝。","quality":0.982},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-06-15T11:02:41.849000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T11:02:43.510000+08:00","text":"委員提案我們都會很重視，謝謝。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-06-15T11:02:43.510000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T11:02:45.691000+08:00","text":"部長請回，請銓敘部。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-15T11:02:47.332000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T11:02:50.793000+08:00","text":"請銓敘部朱專委。","quality":0.571},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-06-15T11:02:50.793000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-15T11:03:07.105000+08:00","text":"專委好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-06-15T11:03:07.105000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T11:03:48.170000+08:00","text":"勞保、健保還有公教保險、軍保這些社會保險費，其實我想公務人員不是不想繳，而是法律要求必須要繳，既然是強制性的支出，我們這次所得稅法的修正提案，有部分提案是針對公教人員保險、勞保、軍保等社會保險所規定繳納的保險費，希望能夠不納入薪資所得課稅，讓被保險人依照他各個職域社會保險規定繳納的保險費，實質上不要成為課稅的基礎。","quality":0.979},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-06-15T11:03:48.170000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T11:03:54.932000+08:00","text":"我想這個問題不僅是公教人員的問題，而是所有受薪階級都會面對的制度性負擔問題。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-06-15T11:03:54.932000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T11:04:05.978000+08:00","text":"我想請問銓敘部，我們讓公務人員的保險或者軍保這些不要成為實質課稅的基礎，你們贊不贊成？","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"朱專門委員美櫻","start":"2026-06-15T11:04:11.262000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T11:04:29.490000+08:00","text":"就這個部分，涉及這些租稅事宜，對於公教人員被保險人，這個是比較有利的，但是我們還是尊重法制主管機關財政部的意見還有大院審議的結果。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-06-15T11:04:31.871000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T11:04:58.133000+08:00","text":"專委，你們的專案報告提到你們會尊重財政部最後的意見，但畢竟銓敘部作為公務人員制度的主管機關，我希望你們不是說一句尊重財政部，就把球丟給財政部，你們還是要有你們的看法跟意見，所以未來在法案審查的時候，也希望你們提出你們的看法，好不好？","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-06-15T11:04:58.593000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T11:04:59.634000+08:00","text":"支持我們的公教人員。是。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"林委員思銘","start":"2026-06-15T11:05:01.216000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T11:05:01.336000+08:00","text":"以上，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-15T11:05:01.836000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-15T11:05:05.836000+08:00","text":"謝謝，我們結束林思銘委員的質詢。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-15T11:05:06.136000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-15T11:05:08.707429+08:00","text":"接下來請林岱樺委員。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}