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我們可以請各目的世界主管將把這個考量進來是不是訂不同的門檻來做一個讓離島可以適用這樣的一個租稅優惠的待遇"},{"start":378.099,"end":385.09,"text":"這個是一點另外一點我那天提到的就是水頭商港這一塊就是水頭應該說小三通這個節點這一塊有關這個經過小三通這個部分我們想說要嘛來收個"},{"start":391.021,"end":396.444,"text":"捐稅或是捐稅的話就是複稅署這個如果用規費法呢 那就是國庫署 是吧是這不同的單位或者有沒有什麼其他的方法讓經過金門的人 這兩位我那天有跟溝通 因為不管是"},{"start":408.131,"end":424.977,"text":"負責署還是國庫署都是財政部下面的單位嘛到底是要用稅捐的方式訂一個法源在離島階段裡頭訂比較好呢還是說我們因為我們地方議會可以有一個法源我們就可以訂一個或者我要在離島階段訂或者是你們這邊就可以相對應的我們送上來讓你們來幫我們備查或者是由國庫署我們這邊用規範法的方式來做"},{"start":432.839,"end":435.343,"text":"我想你們都有討論過嘛 部長覺得哪個單位來負責比較妥當用稅捐的方式比較妥當還是用規覆的方式比較好呢稅捐的方式上次有跟委員報告過嘛地方稅法通則裡面"},{"start":445.882,"end":468.931,"text":"他有定相關的條件那之前民國93年沒有那是後來我們要查那是113年啦那個已經是113年的案子了就113年你們覺得說這個兩岸的這個將會限制兩岸的往來那現在政策事實上中央政策並沒有希望太多交流所以這個定下去事實上是有符合中央政策的我們有一個審議會來做"},{"start":470.251,"end":485.189,"text":"我知道我知道你先告訴我這個方向哪個方向我們往哪邊去修法比較妥當這個部分這個部分是容我們再來做討論好不好你大概有一個想法你有沒有什麼初步的想法規費呢規費就是國庫署或是稅捐呢"},{"start":489.213,"end":505.977,"text":"捐啦 你講稅是我們付稅對不對對 我們地方來捐一個捐嘛對 希望這邊就是或者我事實上也想過一個方法並不是真的說從過境人身上拿到錢我們可以反向的提供他消費的點數 消費的券"},{"start":508.118,"end":535.023,"text":"你了解嗎 比如說經過人每個人交一千塊我們提供一千塊可以 我們的目的都只是為了讓他在地方有消費不然現在真的太多人經過但他們經過下了飛機 然後就去坐船 然後就坐過去對地方事實上沒有帶來多大的這個經濟效益對金門來講也要 還要承擔金門人現在坐飛機都做不到這樣的困擾現在不管要奔商啊 見家人最後一面啊 就醫啊基本上都很"},{"start":535.963,"end":558.698,"text":"幾個月前都買不到假 臨時就沒辦法處理所以這個部分我們承受了這麼多苦果在地的居民承受這麼多苦果那因為現在航空公司的確沒有那麼多的機組員沒有人啊 也沒有那麼多架的飛機所以這個往來金門是非常非常不容易啊之前我們 之前本來才會說六月份那時候要去金門考察嘛也是因為我想說那個時候"},{"start":559.739,"end":562.584,"text":"會訂不到飛機如果我們財委會還有交通委員會要去考察有飛機 那老闆都訂不到這個會引起非常大的民怨的確是沒有飛機連中央大會到金門地方去都沒辦法了"},{"start":575.223,"end":598.887,"text":"所以一定要讓這路過的這些人我們讓他有一些消費的方式也可以促進我們金門的經濟發展我想委員的目的就是促進金門經濟發展我不是說我一定要從身上拿來我們也可以反饋點數回應可不可以你請這個部會我們內部先做討論然後跟委員做報告多久可以給我答案因為那天沒有告訴我多久給我答案"},{"start":599.127,"end":617.584,"text":"我們一周內我們先內部做討論再跟委員討論你幫我想一下或者出餐師你也可以幫忙想一下有沒有比較靈活的方法嘛出餐師對可以你有相關的一個想法可以透過就是在這個部分經過的人留下一點這個消費嘛那這怎麼用出餐師也多想一下這個比較靈活嘛好嗎好的我們來討論一下然後跟委員報告好謝謝部長謝謝委員謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-06-15T11:28:17.252000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T11:28:17.412000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席。","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-06-15T11:28:17.793000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T11:28:19.958000+08:00","text":"有請莊部長，辛苦了，喝個水。","quality":0.455},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-15T11:28:19.958000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-15T11:28:27.205000+08:00","text":"請莊部長。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-06-15T11:28:27.205000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T11:28:27.425000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-06-15T11:28:27.845000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T11:28:28.346000+08:00","text":"部長辛苦了。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-06-15T11:28:30.267000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T11:28:43.834000+08:00","text":"最近促參重大公建有放寬兩大類，財政部有納入勞工福利設施跟古蹟活化經營維護，祭出相關租稅優惠及鼓勵民間投資這兩件。","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-06-15T11:28:49.659000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T11:28:58.325000+08:00","text":"促參司那天我跟他們討論，基本上他們做得不錯，但是我發現在離島地區的部分相對不足。","quality":0.865},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-06-15T11:29:01.586000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T11:29:28.643000+08:00","text":"促參法當然以本島的思維考量，我們離島地區則陷入制度邊緣化，因為這個思維是要有經濟規模、高效率的都會區標準，但是我們離島的確是比較偏遠，很多事情的確就是沒有這個經濟規模，所以很多很好的促參的法律，實際在應用上離島就變成我們看得到、吃不到，變成紙上談兵。","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-06-15T11:29:30.584000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T11:29:43.251000+08:00","text":"你看它的規定是3億到10億以上的重大公建投資額，離島這個要回本很困難；開發面積，大型物流中心需2公頃以上，我們的土地也相對比較小；硬體規格，運動場館綑綁席次的指標。","quality":0.761},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-06-15T11:29:51.915000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T11:30:04.128000+08:00","text":"表面上這些投資和面積的限制，我們在這邊也反映很多次了，離島要做任何建設成本都很高，這個我想部長理解吧？是。對嘛！","quality":0.94},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-06-15T11:30:06.531000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T11:30:50.964000+08:00","text":"當然這部分我也在跟公共工程委員會討論，第一個成本高，所以願意過去做的人也少，然後觀光產業有時候受限於天氣等各項因素，有時候客源也沒有到完全穩定，再加上金門地區還有國家公園、軍事、文化資產保護等等，還有環評，所有事情就一拖……像金門之前有一個案例，就是台開的「金門工商休閒園區」，當初綁了很多指標，包括物流、旅館，但倉儲空間閒置率高達百分之八、九十，所以這個案子的第二階段並沒有……促參司當然有去協調啦，請問現在進度如何？","quality":0.855},{"speaker":"莊部長翠雲","start":"2026-06-15T11:30:50.964000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-15T11:30:57.282000+08:00","text":"我請副司長向您報告。","quality":0},{"speaker":"童副司長偉碩","start":"2026-06-15T11:30:57.282000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T11:31:06.791000+08:00","text":"報告委員，這個案子之前有先來我們這邊調解，後來我們有做出調解建議，雙方也都同意了，調解內容主要就是請他們再提一些替代方案……","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-06-15T11:31:07.251000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T11:31:09.173000+08:00","text":"就是第二期停掉了嘛，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"童副司長偉碩","start":"2026-06-15T11:31:09.173000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T11:31:15.579000+08:00","text":"不過目前我們已經掌握到他有送替代方案，但是金門縣政府沒有同意他的替代方案。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-06-15T11:31:15.899000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T11:31:18.001000+08:00","text":"就是他要停掉第二期嘛！","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"童副司長偉碩","start":"2026-06-15T11:31:18.001000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-15T11:31:19.001000+08:00","text":"對，他會停掉部分的……","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-06-15T11:31:18.021000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T11:31:21.864000+08:00","text":"第一期已經做了，但第二期停掉，因為第一期的開發效果沒有那麼好嘛！是的。","quality":0.903},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-06-15T11:31:22.665000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T11:31:27.810000+08:00","text":"他也投資很多啦，沒有開發那麼好是因為資產很重規模的下去投資，投資好幾十億，然後因為兩岸政策變化了嘛，是不是這樣子？是的。","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-06-15T11:31:36.878000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T11:31:44.861000+08:00","text":"所以在這個方面，對於金門，促參司這邊是不是有比較新的想法、比較好的模式？","quality":0.844},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-06-15T11:31:45.581000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T11:32:00.186000+08:00","text":"比如說公私協力PPP的方式，或者是我們看到澎湖那邊有一個做法，澎湖有個公園採用了創新的方法，引進露營車度假區，就繞過繁瑣的建造與水保審查；馬祖同樣是離島，我們也看到一個海淡廠是用政府採購（有償）的做法，是有償BTO案，民間負責技術，政府來承擔風險。","quality":0.402},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-06-15T11:32:02.327000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T11:32:02.467000+08:00","text":"您知道這幾個例子嗎？","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"童副司長偉碩","start":"2026-06-15T11:32:25.225000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T11:32:26.186000+08:00","text":"報告，我們有掌握這些案例。","quality":0.727},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-06-15T11:32:26.606000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-15T11:32:32.630000+08:00","text":"澎湖跟馬祖的這些做法到目前為止相對是成功的嘛！是。","quality":0.913},{"speaker":"陳委員玉珍","start":"2026-06-15T11:32:33.731000+08:00","guessed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