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其實之前對於我們的輔助人力的一個支持我們也會盡量的這樣我們的一些輔助人力或我們一些的一些方式"},{"start":463.664,"end":482.375,"text":"讓我們的工作的部分變得更加的一個就讓基層同仁減輕勞力尤其第一線嘛這個部分我們會去做因為第一線你看在監所裡頭他必須要介護就醫因為沒有介護人員所以他沒有辦法出去這影響到生命問題耶所以那個也跟委員報告說那也會影響到裡面內部的情緒啊相關因為我們現在那個部裡的那個"},{"start":483.155,"end":508.129,"text":"那個預算很多的部分其實人力跟預算部分到時候也拜託委員一定要想辦法因為我們要了解我們甚至想到連醫療院所都進入到我們的監所台中第一間嘛對不對所以我們碰過了太多這樣子的案例你不能影響到整個內部導致鬧街那就很嚴肅的議題而且還打架那這怎麼辦他要求援"},{"start":509.57,"end":526.285,"text":"你有編制你得不到資源你看這幾個字讓大家聽起來怎麼辦我們回去會跟矯正署就是說把這個事情跟他們說第一就是說除了人力上的一個增援之外我們也不容許說我們的基層面臨到這樣的一個狀況我們會用我們這個回去就會跟矯正署這邊講看他這個事情整體去盤查"},{"start":532.17,"end":560.952,"text":"由這個數字量化告訴你質化告訴你數字告訴你要整體去盤查好不好趕快去盤查盤查出來的數字需要再怎麼樣增加讓大家可以安心好好的在第一線他要得到保障啊對不對他這裡面有的狀況他求援求不到啊支援得不到這不行的趕快去盤查多久時間會盤查出來回去我們就交代矯正所多久時間可以告訴給本席"},{"start":563.32,"end":572.73,"text":"這個我們禁訴好嗎 就是那一個月好 一個月盤查出來 趕快去關心不能讓這個數字一直惡化不能再有事件發生 好嗎 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