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政治檢驗單局都是用藉殼蟲我們後來發現鳳梨到了日本就沒有藉殼蟲是到了中國就出現藉殼蟲突然我們農政單位跟我們陸委也是想說透過兩岸具有的機制就是農產品檢驗檢疫的合作平台我們對藉殼蟲的去除也用徵詢的方法"},{"start":334.795,"end":361.781,"text":"可以科學有效但是他說發現你有藉口從說斷就斷沒有任何諮詢諮商的可能就會因為一批貨就把你通通斷掉這個東西要政治操作那這樣突然之間說停就停說斷就斷對於我們弱勢的農民民是帶來很大的傷害就找政府哭訴啊那政府這幾年做了什麼事情"},{"start":362.361,"end":384.215,"text":"把這些農產品外銷嘛比如說鳳梨那日本就伸出手來那政府我們就趕快跟日本做這些外銷那你剛講的芒果那也有很好日本人也很喜歡芒果那甚至可以到歐洲我覺得這都是很好的很好的前進那不應該再走回頭路謝謝那接下來有請這個圓明慧"},{"start":391.636,"end":403.693,"text":"主委謝謝 只有一件事情 園民會博物館那今年的預算編列的狀況跟去年相比 編列的增加多少 那進度會有多少"},{"start":406.294,"end":420.382,"text":"因為我們現在目前的工作進度是這樣那個應景館也就是在竹藏館之前我們要弄就是要有一個應景館已經在三個禮拜就動工了這個進度會預計在明年就能夠就是說"},{"start":424.966,"end":447.486,"text":"一定要讓他試營運,在明年底就讓他試營運我跟主委提醒一下,剛剛市政府這邊在旁邊這個國嶺自然公園其實跟我們的雲林會博物館、院景館其實是連在一起的要來討論這些相關的這些旅遊的動線,讓人家可以參觀的動線那一起來融入,來加緊速度我們都會跟高雄市政府就密切的來跟他們聯絡"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-06-17T10:16:18+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T10:16:23.960500+08:00","text":"謝謝，有請邱主委。","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"邱主任委員垂正","start":"2026-06-17T10:16:23.960500+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T10:16:29.921000+08:00","text":"李委員好。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-06-17T10:16:29.921000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:16:30.362000+08:00","text":"主委，恭喜！","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-06-17T10:16:33.264000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:16:52.057000+08:00","text":"國民黨輪值的第一個預算排審，你們是第一個，而我輪值排審預算的部會，也對你很抱歉，我負責的部會全部都審完了，你們是今天審，有開始也是好的，廖召委，有開始也是好的啦！","quality":0.861},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-17T10:16:54.218000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:16:54.498000+08:00","text":"行政院是第一個……","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-06-17T10:16:54.638000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:16:55.559000+08:00","text":"行政院是第一個？","quality":0.429},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-06-17T10:16:55.559000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:17:00.302000+08:00","text":"我們都還沒有實質審？","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-17T10:17:00.302000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T10:17:01.743000+08:00","text":"你的時間不用問我。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-06-17T10:17:01.743000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:17:06.605000+08:00","text":"你的部分都還沒有實質審，我的部分都審完了，但也是有好的開始。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-06-17T10:17:07.386000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:17:45.062000+08:00","text":"主委，我想請教你一個問題，2024年6月有一個非常震驚臺灣人的新聞，就是有一個中國前海軍艇長阮芳勇，他駕駛一艘船直接偷渡進來，直接駕駛一艘快艇偷渡進來臺灣，當然就直接把他抓起來了，2025年2月服刑8個月期滿後移送移民署收容，接下來是不是應該要遣返？","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"邱主任委員垂正","start":"2026-06-17T10:17:47.603000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:17:53.784000+08:00","text":"跟委員報告，就我了解，這個個案仍然有一些相關的程序還要處理，所以……","quality":0.828},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-06-17T10:17:54.804000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:18:02.074000+08:00","text":"所以他沒有遣返的原因是因為我們的法律有問題，我們的法律出現什麼問題？","quality":0.906},{"speaker":"邱主任委員垂正","start":"2026-06-17T10:18:02.074000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:18:07.376000+08:00","text":"有法律的問題，這個個案我是不是私下再跟委員報告？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-06-17T10:18:08.116000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:18:29.630000+08:00","text":"我來說明一下，我已經提出修法，這個修法就是說，目前兩岸人民關係條例第十八條，還有香港澳門關係條例第十四條之一，對於這些人的收容期限只有150天。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"邱主任委員垂正","start":"2026-06-17T10:18:29.630000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T10:18:32.793000+08:00","text":"對，最長150天。","quality":0.25},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-06-17T10:18:32.793000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:18:33.954000+08:00","text":"那移民法是怎麼規定？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-06-17T10:18:34.935000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:18:44.769000+08:00","text":"移民法規定，在特定條件下可以延長收容，而兩岸人民關係條例卻沒有，這是不是破口，應該要把它補起來？","quality":0.837},{"speaker":"邱主任委員垂正","start":"2026-06-17T10:18:44.769000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:18:46.090000+08:00","text":"是，委員講得很是。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"邱主任委員垂正","start":"2026-06-17T10:18:46.691000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:18:58.262000+08:00","text":"其實我們入出國及移民法在修法的時候，本來陸委會也要配合去修法，但是內政部說他們還有一波修法，是不是我們一起修法？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"邱主任委員垂正","start":"2026-06-17T10:18:59.223000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:18:59.723000+08:00","text":"剛剛委員講的對，因為我們覺得中國大陸很多偷渡客……","quality":0.864},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-06-17T10:19:05.268000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:19:29.227000+08:00","text":"對，另外一個案例我現在正要講，有一個楊姓網紅在2023年5月從廈門游泳到金門，被判刑3個月，收容5個月後回到中國，他在這個過程裡面、在收容期滿這個過程裡面也是在臺灣趴趴走，到處錄影片，然後回到中國開始發影片，我覺得這是很大的破口。是、是。","quality":0.87},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-06-17T10:19:30.627000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:19:41.889000+08:00","text":"就是說收容期滿，沒有辦法把他延長收容，讓這些偷渡的、這些你說的個案，讓這些偷渡的人可以在臺灣這樣四處趴趴走，我覺得這是很大的破口。","quality":0.898},{"speaker":"邱主任委員垂正","start":"2026-06-17T10:19:42.690000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:19:43.910000+08:00","text":"這是治安的隱患。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-06-17T10:19:45.110000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:20:03.082000+08:00","text":"對，所以我們必須要提出來，包含這些偷渡（就是未經許可入境）、包含曾犯國安法、反滲透法等等，甚至這些中國軍人、退役的海軍艇長，其實都不應該在臺灣趴趴走，他是偷渡進來的。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"邱主任委員垂正","start":"2026-06-17T10:20:03.343000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:20:06.465000+08:00","text":"所以我們非常同意，感謝委員提出修法。","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-06-17T10:20:13.590000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:20:21.258000+08:00","text":"經過連署之後，我們會提出這個修法，也希望可以獲得相關委員會的支持。","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-06-17T10:20:22.219000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:20:54.362000+08:00","text":"另外，針對剛剛所提到的，經過海峽論壇之後，中國給予相關這些類似紅利的東西，聽訓完，然後開了一些條件，把農漁產品當作政治工具，陸委會的立場也很清楚，希望不要走回頭路，不要再落入中國「養套殺」這套模式裡面。","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-06-17T10:20:55.743000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:21:16.098000+08:00","text":"過去也有太多案例，包含臺灣的石斑魚、虱目魚，包含臺灣這些相關的農產品會突然出現農藥檢測不合格，其實是政治檢測不合格，政治檢測的農藥含量太高，所以相關的農漁產品會突然沒有了著落。","quality":1},{"speaker":"邱主任委員垂正","start":"2026-06-17T10:21:16.458000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:21:18.159000+08:00","text":"確實從2021年開始，中國大陸說我們輸銷的鳳梨有介殼蟲……","quality":0.909},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-06-17T10:21:25.935000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:21:27.036000+08:00","text":"對，政治檢驗有介殼蟲。","quality":0.444},{"speaker":"邱主任委員垂正","start":"2026-06-17T10:21:27.637000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:21:32.680000+08:00","text":"還有芒果、柑橘都是用有介殼蟲這個理由，我們後來發現……","quality":0.478},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-06-17T10:21:32.680000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:21:38.285000+08:00","text":"鳳梨到了日本就沒有介殼蟲，到了中國就突然出現介殼蟲。","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"邱主任委員垂正","start":"2026-06-17T10:21:39.085000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:22:06.938000+08:00","text":"我們農政單位跟陸委會也是想透過兩岸既有的機制，就是農產品檢驗檢疫的合作平臺，我們對介殼蟲的去除也有用燻蒸的方法，可以科學有效，但是他說發現有介殼蟲，說斷就斷，沒有任何諮詢、諮商的可能，就因為一批貨就把你統統斷掉，這個都是在政治操作。對。","quality":0.86},{"speaker":"邱主任委員垂正","start":"2026-06-17T10:22:08.118000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:22:16.080000+08:00","text":"這樣突然之間說停就停、說斷就斷，對於我們弱勢的農漁民帶來很大的傷害。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-06-17T10:22:16.280000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:22:17.500000+08:00","text":"就找政府哭訴啊！","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-06-17T10:22:18.361000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:22:19.761000+08:00","text":"政府這幾年做了什麼事情？","quality":1},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-06-17T10:22:20.361000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:22:22.102000+08:00","text":"把這些農產品外銷嘛。對。","quality":0.9},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-06-17T10:22:22.382000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:22:32.489000+08:00","text":"比如說鳳梨，日本就伸出手來，我們就趕快跟日本做這些外銷，那你剛剛講的芒果，日本人也很喜歡芒果。是、是。","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-06-17T10:22:33.609000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:22:40.954000+08:00","text":"甚至可以銷往歐洲，我覺得這都是很好的前進，不應該再走回頭路，謝謝。","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-06-17T10:22:41.374000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:22:42.175000+08:00","text":"接下來有請原民會。","quality":0.625},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-06-17T10:22:49.636000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:23:01.673000+08:00","text":"主委，謝謝，只有一件事情，原住民族博物館今年預算編列的狀況跟去年相比有增加多少、進度會有多少？","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"曾主任委員智勇","start":"2026-06-17T10:23:04.454000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:23:25.508000+08:00","text":"我們目前的工作進度是這樣，關於願景館，也就是在主場館之前我們要有一個願景館，在上個禮拜就動工了，已經動工了，這個進度是預計明年一定要讓它試營運，明年底就要讓它試營運。","quality":0.789},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-06-17T10:23:25.508000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:23:34.757000+08:00","text":"我跟主委提醒一下，高雄市政府這邊……旁邊的果嶺自然公園其實跟原住民族博物館、願景館是連在一起的。是。","quality":0.773},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-06-17T10:23:35.377000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:23:42.824000+08:00","text":"要來討論相關的旅遊動線、讓人家可以參觀的動線，一起來融入，請加緊速度。","quality":0.968},{"speaker":"曾主任委員智勇","start":"2026-06-17T10:23:43.104000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T10:23:45.486000+08:00","text":"會，我們都會跟高雄市政府密切地聯絡，謝謝。","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"李委員柏毅","start":"2026-06-17T10:23:45.986000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T10:23:46.986000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-17T10:23:47.286000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T10:24:14.143143+08:00","text":"向委員會報告，因為剛剛不占用李柏毅召委的時間，就是本委員會有關預算的審查，預算的審查分為詢答跟處理，行政院、警政署、消防署以及空勤總隊、移民署等等單位的預算都已經詢答完畢了，後續會進行審查，以上跟委員會報告。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-17T10:24:14.443143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T10:24:18.157429+08:00","text":"下一位請王鴻薇委員發言質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}