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其實它的本行都沒有到五年以上"},{"start":323.347,"end":338.995,"text":"所以在這裡就是希望能夠在特別是參與詐團然後又成為一個軍師事實上它裡面都是出謀劃策的這些不管是洗錢或者是詐騙能夠"},{"start":342.423,"end":351.648,"text":"就是就是提高他的這個懲處讓他不能夠再職業這個方向我認為一定要那另外因為時間關係提醒一下這個是那個我先提醒一件事情就是洗錢"},{"start":358.252,"end":361.816,"text":"那我們雖然就是在洗錢防治裡面一直都有宣傳那麼也一直要加強查起但是呢我們現在的這個這個洗錢的案件其實還是一直不停的升高那其中一個就是在通報上面通報上面它的這個罰則非常非常輕"},{"start":381.974,"end":385.276,"text":"因為現在洗錢不是只有金融機構像我們在這個太子集團裡面他去買豪車他去買豪宅他去用虛擬貨幣所以這些通報的這些範圍他不是僅止於金融機構太子集團其實金融機構他們是有負責任他們通報好幾十次只是你們都沒有去查緝"},{"start":404.705,"end":405.686,"text":"可是問題是像虛擬貨幣機構或者是說這些房屋仲介啦或者是他這個就是"},{"start":414.468,"end":441.243,"text":"大量的在買豪車那對他們來講這都是他的業務啊所以他根本不會去做通報所以未來在做這個省錢繁殖的時候不僅僅只是傳統的金融機構的通報而是這些相關月線洗錢的型態實在是太多了我剛剛講就太子集團這是最特殊的所以希望能夠在加強控管這些主要是跟接觸洗錢的這些專業人士也要"},{"start":444.005,"end":472.733,"text":"提高他這個通報的責任可不可以好那個跟委員報告就是說我們目前這個提出洗這個洗錢防治法的修正目前在預告中那剛剛委員有提到那個太子集團的部分銀行通報以後其實調查局非常的積極事實上成果也是豐碩的那我們這個部分上在洗錢這個部分上委員的這樣跟我們的立場上對於這樣都是不能容忍所以我們會盡全力的去做一個查緝那也謝謝委員對我們這個洗錢防治法的一個這個關心謝謝"},{"start":473.973,"end":473.993,"text":"好,謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-06-17T11:06:08.888000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:06:09.448000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，請馮次長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-17T11:06:09.468000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:06:09.749000+08:00","text":"有請馮次長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"馮次長成","start":"2026-06-17T11:06:09.749000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:06:09.749000+08:00","text":"委員好。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-06-17T11:06:09.809000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:06:09.969000+08:00","text":"次長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-06-17T11:06:19.325000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:06:40.011000+08:00","text":"我在今天早上有提案說明，是針對保護律師，因為前一陣子律師被暴力相向，甚至更早的時候還曾有律師因此而喪命，我們覺得律師在執行業務的時候，應該給他應有的合理保障。是。","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-06-17T11:06:40.131000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:06:56.774000+08:00","text":"另外一方面，這幾年詐騙橫行，大家都聞詐色變，但是這幾年我們發現有很多知法犯法的律師事實上參與了詐團，不但參與詐團，他們甚至主導、出謀劃策，因為他們懂法，而且他們跟整個司法體系包括檢察官及法官都比較熟悉，所以還幫助詐團怎麼遊走法律邊緣。","quality":0.953},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-06-17T11:07:16.510000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:07:17.090000+08:00","text":"這樣子的律師事實上應該要被嚴懲，我想次長應該也同意，對不對？對，是。","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-06-17T11:07:17.090000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:07:19.591000+08:00","text":"尤其最近，我有提到，甚至當他們落網了之後還是非常囂張，過去在學校裡面律師倫理沒有念好被當、無所謂，還是可以當律師，真的是很令人髮指。","quality":1},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-06-17T11:07:44.196000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:08:18.973000+08:00","text":"剛才比如許宇甄委員也特別提到，過去有一些律師涉及協助詐團，最後對他的求刑或者判定都非常輕，所以我提出修正律師法第七條跟第七十四條，主要就是讓涉及詐騙的律師一審被判決有罪的時候就應該處理。","quality":0.92},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-06-17T11:08:20.734000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:08:39.679000+08:00","text":"我剛才做完提案說明，陳昭姿委員在這邊，他聽了之後說他願意支持我，如同他們在關心有一些涉及性騷甚至性侵的醫師，即便發生之後他還被保護，繼續執業，甚至醫醫相護。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-06-17T11:08:48.562000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:09:00.028000+08:00","text":"已經證明確實他有性騷的事實，但是他仍然可以繼續執業，造成後面還有人繼續被害。","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-06-17T11:09:00.488000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:09:36.490000+08:00","text":"同樣地，我們認為對律師也應該做的包含先除名，甚至他觸及到詐欺、洗錢、組織犯罪的時候也應該給予相關懲處，讓他不能夠再繼續執業，否則對他來講，因為這個利益實在太大了，所以法務部是不是可以同意往這樣的方向或者進行修法？","quality":0.938},{"speaker":"馮次長成","start":"2026-06-17T11:09:37.526000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:09:53.816000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員，因為律師有高度的公義性質，所以當他跟詐團勾結，事實上我想沒有人能夠忍受，包括很多優秀的律師也都認為這些害群之馬應該被嚴處。","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-06-17T11:09:53.816000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T11:09:55.798000+08:00","text":"對，沒錯！","quality":0},{"speaker":"馮次長成","start":"2026-06-17T11:09:55.798000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:10:15.291000+08:00","text":"所以這次修法希望能夠針對這個部分，因為最近也發生多起律師詐騙，而現行法的規定是限於律師涉嫌特定重大犯罪，經檢察官起訴，可由律師懲戒委員會懲戒，但是我們認為只規定這些特定的案件，沒有辦法解決現況。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"馮次長成","start":"2026-06-17T11:10:15.371000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:10:38.818000+08:00","text":"就如同委員剛剛提到也很關心的，我們現在要涵蓋參與組織犯罪，甚至一些我們認為滿可惡的類似洗錢等部分，我們把特定犯罪刪掉，就用最重本刑五年，這樣涵蓋的範圍就會很寬。","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"馮次長成","start":"2026-06-17T11:10:38.958000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:10:50.661000+08:00","text":"在這個部分，我們也認為如果詐騙律師有未加入公會而犯罪的行為，經法院判處一年以上有期徒刑確定後，也可以依照律師法第九條……","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-06-17T11:10:50.661000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:11:11.978000+08:00","text":"不過我要特別提醒，譬如你說要最重本刑五年以上，事實上現在律師不但參與，而且是成群結隊地參與，像在ACE交易所的洗錢犯罪案裡面，就是一整個律師團統統涉及。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-06-17T11:11:12.999000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:11:46.226000+08:00","text":"在組織犯罪裡面，即便他發起或主持，其實本刑都沒有到五年以上，所以特別是參與詐團，然後又成為軍師，事實上在裡面都是出謀劃策的這些，不管是洗錢或者是詐騙，都應該要提高懲處，讓他們不能再執業，我認為這個方向是一定要的。","quality":0.854},{"speaker":"王委員鴻薇","start":"2026-06-17T11:11:46.947000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:11:59.816000+08:00","text":"另外，因為時間關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