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報告委員因為我們這個"},{"start":343.844,"end":365.011,"text":"民生這個部分有關於相關的成本的問題這個本來就是我們的政策執行所在所以即便在這個國際的油價或氣價上漲的時候我們對於民生的用氣跟用電或用油基本上都是減緩的沒有大幅的上漲"},{"start":367.452,"end":381.17,"text":"另外當然企業界他們在做他們成本反應也不單單只是燃料的成本還有其他部分比如說租金的成本也好或者是說因為現在我們嘉興今年還是比較踴躍"},{"start":382.492,"end":402.404,"text":"那是可能也要適度的反映在這個價格上吧但是如果是因為這個加薪所反映出來我們也覺得這個是一個好事啦但是就是說我們的目的還是希望說全年的這個物價上漲率可以在2%以下這個還是我們的目標"},{"start":403.064,"end":426.852,"text":"是啊還有就是說當然還希望說就是中油跟台電的這個就是虧損能夠逐漸減少嗎是不是因為如果就是說那個中東通途所造成的油價的成本上升那對於這個他們所要負擔的穩定物價的成本就相對的提高嗎是不是對因為到那這也會涉及到預算的這個問題嘛對不對"},{"start":429.273,"end":457.752,"text":"對因為到上個禮拜為止中油在這個油價的吸收成本大概176億那當然也許還會再增加一點點也不一定但是我相信是已經和緩下來了往正面的發展那我們也跟行政院也答應就是說我們從三個方面來支持中油的一些發展包括預算的撥補的部分還有這個"},{"start":459.413,"end":474.739,"text":"投資資金公務預算的這個增加的部分還有這個融資的部分的協助那這個也感謝行政院已經開始著手這樣的這個協助了好那我還要問到就是說佐水溪的這個"},{"start":475.999,"end":491.038,"text":"水涵養的問題那我們知道說像那個台積電它在日本的熊本的地方它也協助就是當地的農田在收耕的時候養水去復養它的地下水層那"},{"start":492.539,"end":517.419,"text":"對於我們濁水溪的這個相關的地下水層的養水那水利署有沒有做進一步的因為這涉及到就是說現在是那個極端氣候嘛那有可能會面臨到缺水或者是未來如果我們彰化要增加工業區甚至像台積電這樣子的一個產業的時候怎麼能夠增加相關的用水啊是不是"},{"start":518.059,"end":532.352,"text":"報告委員 委員所談的這個方向是非常正確的我們在左水溪的河道內目前在赤潼林內的附近就河道裡面我們有大概是250公頃的土地把它圍起來"},{"start":533.172,"end":549.396,"text":"那這邊就可以平常注水進去那注水進去它的效益很大就是一年大概將近6000萬噸的水它會慢慢流到我們中下游因為整個彰化雲林地區都是地層下限區所以這個水質補充以後"},{"start":550.036,"end":565.434,"text":"對整個地層下陷幫忙很大然後第二個部分就是我們為了減緩很多地層下陷高鐵的沿線所以將來會做一些農田把這個地下水用補助的方式進來所以謝謝委員給我們指導這個具體方向這個東西也要農水署嘛對不對那是不是我也會再跟"},{"start":569.258,"end":591.446,"text":"跟農水署跟農業部去做相關的要求那是不是讓水地署這邊也協助共同來補充彰化的地下水源讓彰化的用水無虞好不好那委員因為我們現在有地層下市房次的小組跟推動小組我們定期開會所以委員剛剛所談的我們會落實要求農業部一起來努力"},{"start":591.806,"end":608.615,"text":"好好謝謝 最後給我一個一分鐘我問一下部長就是在捐助中小企業現在面臨到就是雙軸轉型就是淨零跟數位轉型這個問題那再加上現在也有相關的"},{"start":609.355,"end":634.266,"text":"還有301的關稅的問題喔那怎麼樣協助中小企業在這一波當中能夠就是說不是用不只是用補貼因為用補貼或者是你們當初都是用計畫申請嘛那現在他們可能面臨到的就是說他們也不知道怎麼樣子進行這個數位轉型或者是他們在數位轉型能不能符合國際的趨勢然後變"},{"start":636.607,"end":657.989,"text":"因應這樣子整個就是說局勢的變化那經濟部怎麼做包委員除了我們當然有被動的門打開接受申請之外包括包括您剛才提到的這個計畫的補助也好或者是說這個貸款的補助也好但是我們也有主動式的就是我們有成立一個輔導團北中南東"},{"start":660.311,"end":689.711,"text":"那各有責任區然後去跟工協會、廠聯會合作然後把這個可能需要這個協助的這些中小微企業我們主動的去去他們做輔導先做診斷診斷以後有分層次他的數位轉型到達什麼樣的層次需要什麼樣的幫助那我們會借引介相關的資源給他讓他可以真的可以升級轉型變成從被動之外我們也有主動的部分"},{"start":690.311,"end":712.205,"text":"對 因為中小企業在這一波裡面的確受到國際情勢的變化影響非常大那非常需要經濟部來協助希望說我們中小企業還有相關的顧問團能夠協助他們對於節能以及未來的數位的轉型都能夠轉得順利可以嗎是 好 謝謝"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-06-17T11:17:07.917000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:17:09.457000+08:00","text":"謝謝主席，我想要請經濟部龔部長。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-17T11:17:09.457000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:17:09.598000+08:00","text":"請經濟部龔部長。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-06-17T11:17:09.598000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T11:17:18.847000+08:00","text":"謝委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-06-17T11:17:18.847000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:17:19.247000+08:00","text":"部長早安。","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-06-17T11:17:19.868000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:17:27.394000+08:00","text":"我想請教一下，川普總統說美伊的MOU 19號要簽，你看會不會簽？","quality":0.962},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-06-17T11:17:27.394000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:17:28.234000+08:00","text":"在哪裡簽？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-06-17T11:17:28.234000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:17:28.615000+08:00","text":"看起來應該是有那樣的跡象，應該會簽，因為……","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-06-17T11:17:28.635000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:17:28.755000+08:00","text":"在瑞士簽？","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-06-17T11:17:28.755000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:17:29.916000+08:00","text":"他在G7說的嘛，是在瑞士簽？","quality":0.455},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-06-17T11:17:30.036000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:17:53.797000+08:00","text":"另外有一個說法是說，因為川普總統去G7嘛，那個時程上可能會有一點來不及啦。","quality":0.97},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-06-17T11:17:54.598000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:17:56.719000+08:00","text":"不會在19號？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-06-17T11:17:56.719000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:18:00.022000+08:00","text":"他會用線上簽的方式、電子簽的方式，是不是……","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-06-17T11:18:00.202000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:18:01.002000+08:00","text":"喔，19號線上簽，是不是？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-06-17T11:18:01.943000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:18:05.345000+08:00","text":"這個可能還要再了解一下，不過看起來是應該會簽啦！","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-06-17T11:18:07.106000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:18:26.958000+08:00","text":"如果簽了以後，是不是代表了未來的中東衝突戰事延緩，荷姆茲海峽以及相關伊朗境內的天然氣及油的生產，什麼時候可以恢復正常？","quality":0.927},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-06-17T11:18:26.958000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T11:18:29.387000+08:00","text":"這個趨勢……","quality":0},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-06-17T11:18:29.387000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:18:31.829000+08:00","text":"周邊的供應，什麼時候可以恢復正常？","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-06-17T11:18:31.829000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:18:32.850000+08:00","text":"這個趨勢看起來是好的啦，但是……","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-06-17T11:18:33.631000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:18:34.491000+08:00","text":"對，如果是這樣的話。","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-06-17T11:18:34.491000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:18:56.165000+08:00","text":"中間那個時間可能還是有一些delay的狀況，第一個就是說，因為太多的船在荷姆茲海峽，要排隊，這個可能時程上會有一些延誤；另外一個就是有的設備在戰爭時候受損，比如說卡達的天然氣設備很多是受到損害，要維修可能也要一段時間。","quality":0.96},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-06-17T11:18:56.165000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:19:04.167000+08:00","text":"所以我想方向上是正面的，但是那個時間不會一夕翻轉，而是逐漸地恢復。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-06-17T11:19:04.167000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:19:16.650000+08:00","text":"對、對、對，我問了，我們中油的油價在這幾個月以來，因為中東衝突已經漲了多少percent？","quality":0.744},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-06-17T11:19:18.503000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:19:19.903000+08:00","text":"我們大概漲了百分之十幾吧。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-06-17T11:19:19.903000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T11:19:24.404000+08:00","text":"17%，是不是？對。","quality":0.2},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-06-17T11:19:24.404000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:19:25.264000+08:00","text":"天然氣的部分呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-06-17T11:19:26.265000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:19:33.806000+08:00","text":"天然氣的部分，民生是沒有漲，工業的部分大概調兩次的5%吧。","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-06-17T11:19:35.147000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:19:35.347000+08:00","text":"5%，是不是？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-06-17T11:19:35.847000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:19:36.847000+08:00","text":"兩次，好像調整兩次的樣子。","quality":0.636},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-06-17T11:19:37.047000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:19:41.288000+08:00","text":"多久可以回到中東衝突之前？","quality":0.833},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-06-17T11:19:41.288000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T11:19:44.088000+08:00","text":"簽了以後？","quality":0},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-06-17T11:19:44.088000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:19:48.494000+08:00","text":"那要看整個國際油價的趨勢來做一些判斷。","quality":0.667},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-06-17T11:19:48.494000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:19:52.078000+08:00","text":"對，我是說你預估多久嘛，你們有沒有預估？","quality":0.824},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-06-17T11:19:52.940000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:19:55.543000+08:00","text":"因為這整個慢慢的……","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-06-17T11:19:56.224000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:19:56.804000+08:00","text":"多久我們可以回復？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-06-17T11:19:57.906000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:20:54.799000+08:00","text":"這是中小企業還有民生最重要的，因為你看到了嘛，鼎泰豐今天宣布了售價要調漲百分之三點五到百分之八點多，平均約5%左右，代表了餐廳的營業成本已經在增加了，如果我們一些零售業、食品業的餐廳的價格增加，恐怕會影響到整體物價都開始做進一步的調整，調整之後，以物價的僵固性來講，恐怕就不可能下來了嘛，在這個情況下，民眾會擔心的是什麼時候可以恢復到平均的成本。","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-06-17T11:20:57+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:21:02.903000+08:00","text":"報告委員，因為現在民生的電價、油價，基本上都沒有反映、都沒有漲嘛……","quality":0.786},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-06-17T11:21:02.903000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T11:21:07.029000+08:00","text":"我知道，可是那些是營業用的嘛，是不是？","quality":0},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-06-17T11:21:07.029000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:21:07.770000+08:00","text":"那個餐廳啊什麼的還有……","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-06-17T11:21:09.511000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:21:21.757000+08:00","text":"桶裝瓦斯基本上也都沒有漲，當然反映於物價上的可能不是因為油、氣（燃氣）的關係，可能是其他的成本上升。","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-06-17T11:21:22.918000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:21:34.265000+08:00","text":"不過，行政院有一個物價督導會報，每個禮拜召開，現在副院長都有召開，我們會持續觀察物價上漲的情況。","quality":0.86},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-06-17T11:21:34.265000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:21:43.050000+08:00","text":"當然，這一個月是有超過百分之二，但是從主計總處的判斷來講的話，全年還是可以在百分之二以下。","quality":0.756},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-06-17T11:21:44.171000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:21:53.376000+08:00","text":"但是我剛剛特別提到，隨著局勢的和緩，如果油價有比較明顯和緩下來的話，我們也會適度的反映。","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-06-17T11:21:54.257000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:21:54.757000+08:00","text":"對，那什麼時候會回復？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-06-17T11:21:56.899000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:21:58.760000+08:00","text":"那就要看整個油價的狀況。對啊！","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-06-17T11:21:58.760000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:22:01.321000+08:00","text":"你那個油價什麼時候會回復啊？","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-06-17T11:22:01.502000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:22:05.764000+08:00","text":"因為像鼎泰豐是大型的、連鎖的，是不是？","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-06-17T11:22:07.665000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:22:26.496000+08:00","text":"在臺灣有非常多大型的、連鎖的相關企業，都是以這樣子的營運來做相關的，就是有中央廚房等等，或者是在地也需要有這樣子的人力的調配等，那這個情況都有可能會影響到。","quality":0.958},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-06-17T11:22:27.337000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:22:35.962000+08:00","text":"所以，是不是未來怎麼樣子會降低民生物價上漲的壓力，經濟部怎麼做呢？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-06-17T11:22:36.563000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:23:01.011000+08:00","text":"報告委員，因為有關於民生這部分相關的成本問題，本來就是我們的政策執行所在，所以即便在國際油價或氣價上漲的時候，我們對於民生的用氣跟用電或用油的價格漲幅基本上都是減緩的，沒有大幅的上漲。","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-06-17T11:23:03.452000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:23:21.554000+08:00","text":"另外，當然企業界他們反映的成本也不單單只是燃料的成本，還有其他的部分，比如說租金的成本也好，或者是說因為現在我們加薪，今年以來是比較踴躍，可能也要適度的反映在價格上。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-06-17T11:23:23.475000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:23:38.404000+08:00","text":"如果是因為加薪所反映出來的物價上漲，我們也覺得這是一個好事，但是我們的目的還是希望全年的物價上漲率可以在百分之二以下，這還是我們在推動的目標。","quality":0.821},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-06-17T11:23:39.064000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:23:47.467000+08:00","text":"是啊，還有就是希望中油跟台電的虧損能夠逐漸減少嘛，是不是？是。","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-06-17T11:23:47.987000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:23:59.631000+08:00","text":"因為如果中東衝突所造成的油價成本上升，對於他們所要負擔的穩定物價的成本就相對的提高嘛，是不是？","quality":0.932},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-06-17T11:24:00.311000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:24:00.631000+08:00","text":"對，因為到上個禮拜……","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-06-17T11:24:01.472000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:24:02.852000+08:00","text":"這也會涉及到預算的問題嘛，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-06-17T11:24:05.273000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:24:47.237000+08:00","text":"對，因為到上個禮拜為止，中油吸收的油價成本大概176億，當然也許還會再增加一點點也不一定，但是我相信已經和緩下來了，往正面發展，行政院也答應我們從三個方面來支持中油的發展，包括預算撥補的部分，還有投資資金、公務預算增加的部分，還有融資的部分的協助，也感謝行政院已經開始著手這樣的協助了。好。","quality":0.977},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-06-17T11:24:48.258000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:25:33.399000+08:00","text":"我還要問的是濁水溪水涵養的問題，我們知道像台積電在日本的熊本，也協助當地農田在休耕的時候養水，去復養當地的地下水層，對於我們濁水溪的地下水層的養水，水利署有沒有做進一步的，因為這涉及到現在的極端氣候有可能會面臨到缺水，或者是未來如果我們彰化要增加工業區，甚至像台積電這樣的產業的時候，怎麼能夠增加相關的用水，是不是？","quality":0.946},{"speaker":"林署長元鵬","start":"2026-06-17T11:25:34.059000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:25:37.642000+08:00","text":"報告委員，委員談的這個方向是非常正確的。","quality":1},{"speaker":"林署長元鵬","start":"2026-06-17T11:25:38.343000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:26:07.538000+08:00","text":"我們在濁水溪的河道內，目前在莿桐、林內附近，就河道裡面，我們有把大概是250公頃的土地圍起來，這邊平常就可以注水進去，注水進去的效益很大，一年大概有將近6,000萬噸的水會慢慢流到我們中下游，因為整個彰化、雲林地區都是地層下陷區，所以水質補充以後對整個地層下陷幫忙很大。","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"林署長元鵬","start":"2026-06-17T11:26:07.678000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:26:19.572000+08:00","text":"然後第二個部分就是，我們為了減緩很多高鐵沿線的地層下陷，所以將來會做一些農田，用補注的方式讓地下水進來，所以謝謝委員給我們指導這個具體的方向……","quality":0.803},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-06-17T11:26:19.592000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:26:20.773000+08:00","text":"這個東西也要農水署嘛，對不對？","quality":1},{"speaker":"林署長元鵬","start":"2026-06-17T11:26:20.773000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T11:26:21.773000+08:00","text":"對，所以我們會共同努力……","quality":0},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-06-17T11:26:20.993000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:26:37.342000+08:00","text":"我也會再跟農業部農水署去做相關的要求，那是不是讓水利署這邊也協助共同來補充彰化的地下水源，讓彰化的用水無虞好不好？","quality":0.926},{"speaker":"林署長元鵬","start":"2026-06-17T11:26:37.702000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:26:47.426000+08:00","text":"報告委員，因為我們現在有地層下陷防治小組跟推動小組，我們定期開會，所以委員剛剛所談的，我們會落實要求農業部一起來努力。","quality":0.907},{"speaker":"林署長元鵬","start":"2026-06-17T11:26:47.426000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T11:26:49.207000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員，謝謝。好。","quality":0.286},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-06-17T11:26:49.207000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:26:52.869000+08:00","text":"最後給我1分鐘，我問一下部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-06-17T11:26:54.850000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:27:37.712000+08:00","text":"中小企業現在面臨到雙軸轉型，就是淨零跟數位轉型的問題，再加上現在也有相關的301關稅的問題，怎麼樣協助中小企業在這一波當中能夠不只是用補貼，因為用補貼或者是你們當初都是用計畫申請嘛，現在他們可能面臨到的就是他們也不知道怎麼樣進行數位轉型，或者是他們在數位轉型能不能符合國際的趨勢，然後因應整個局勢的變化，那經濟部怎麼做？","quality":0.993},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-06-17T11:27:38.693000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:28:09.100000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我們除了有被動的將門打開接受申請之外，包括您剛才提到的計畫補助也好，或者是貸款的補助也好；當然我們也有主動式的，就是我們有成立一個輔導團，北、中、南、東各有責任區，然後去跟公協會、廠聯會合作，針對可能需要協助的這些中小微企業，我們主動的去那邊做輔導。","quality":0.897},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-06-17T11:28:09.100000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:28:21.628000+08:00","text":"先做診斷，診斷以後有分層次，他的數位轉型到達什麼樣的層次需要什麼樣的幫助，那我們會引介相關的資源給他，讓他可以真的升級轉型。","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-06-17T11:28:23.249000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:28:25.691000+08:00","text":"就是在被動之外，我們也有主動的部分。","quality":0.812},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-06-17T11:28:26.311000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:28:48.165000+08:00","text":"對，因為中小企業在這一波裡面，的確受到國際情勢的變化影響非常大，非常需要經濟部來協助，希望我們相關的顧問團能夠協助中小企業在節能以及未來的數位轉型方面，都能夠轉得順利，可以嗎？是。謝謝。","quality":0.893},{"speaker":"謝委員衣鳯","start":"2026-06-17T11:28:48.185000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:28:48.205000+08:00","text":"好，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-17T11:28:48.705000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T11:28:50.705000+08:00","text":"謝謝謝衣鳯委員。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-17T11:28:51.005000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T11:28:54.719286+08:00","text":"接下來我們請陳冠廷委員質詢。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}