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物價 備料那還有到這個我們現在還有土方的這個處理方式的這些經費都不斷的在提高的狀況之下你現在跟我說我們這個是五年前六年前因為我們也極力的爭取預算那這個預算總是要中央分配一定的預算給我們然後我們再把這個預算"},{"start":302.234,"end":304.276,"text":"施作在民間的用途上"},{"start":332.735,"end":346.893,"text":"很遺憾很痛心欸說真的我們還是會極力爭取啊剛剛事實上也有委員提到的這個自然水公司他的這個財務狀況的問題我們也要可能要一併的去討論跟解決"},{"start":347.914,"end":370.518,"text":"當我們在遇到這個我們不要講印太我們講伊朗的這個戰爭的時候我們有各式各樣的補貼包含普通給這個大眾運輸工具包含計程車司機等等的時候我們現在講的是自來水那你們願意補貼這個北部的這些或者是重大這些都市因為只有都市才會有那個大量的這些租賃的客車嘛"},{"start":371.218,"end":396.923,"text":"但是我們這些已經十年二十年三十年的這個狀況我們還沒有辦法幫助他們我覺得很可惜當然我們甚至有人在這個交通委員會說要把這個不管是鐵路高架化來全面性做全國的調整為什麼會有辦法這樣子做調整因為我們國家的稅收在增加當我們國家的稅收在增加的時候我們不選擇來去照顧最需要幫助的一群人我們選擇要是發放這一次一次性的福利這樣對嗎 這樣是不對的"},{"start":398.843,"end":426.872,"text":"我到現在還是這樣覺得啦就是說能夠替這一群人來解決永久的問題它比起一次性的來去刺激消費都還是有幫助啦當然我們這個有各個不同的委員不同的見解我們來做評論但是像這一種包含這種橋樑的建設包含自然水的沿管這其實就是可以造福一幫百姓他是數十年都會有生活上面的生活水準上面的改變這比"},{"start":428.192,"end":456.691,"text":"這比說他們的這個因為這個是公共工程私人沒有辦法去做這件事情所以就算他們的所得他們人均所得不斷的增加面臨到的問題還是同樣的問題是 我想這個政策目標我們跟委員是一致的啦那我們就盡力看看可以爭取更多的預算新年的稅率會增加到史上最多喔不管是鎮交稅 鎮所稅那我們現在整個全台灣仔細盤點一下還剩下幾戶其實也不多了"},{"start":458.073,"end":478.992,"text":"現在水平是98 99 接近100了嘛現在就是說可及的部分用沿管的方式我們盡力來做那另外當然就是您剛剛提到簡易自來水的部分我們會強化它的水質啊不是簡易自來水的部分就是人口老化已經沒有辦法成立委員會來去管理了所以他們要求的都是希望盡可能的沿管嘛"},{"start":479.372,"end":501.894,"text":"那如果可以在進口的鹽管有需求的作為之下你過去可以40萬提高到80萬你過去可以80萬提高到100萬你當然就可以從100萬來把它提升到200萬元貨數已經很少了貨數已經非常少了比起你仔細算看仔細算看現在各個鄉鎮不斷的是用福利的方式來去回饋這個鄉民有些是在普發"},{"start":502.975,"end":529.072,"text":"你仔細算這些經費的話如果拿去做整體的韌性建設這個硬體建設的話其實全國的從99%把它延伸到100%了自來水的普及率100%理論上是一個經濟部長或者是自來水公司他們最大的榮耀因為他們完成人民的所需嘛我希望部長能夠仔細思考一下這個方面我們也跟行政院討論過了他們也是希望說往這方面去走好不好 拜託院長幫我們來想想辦法好 謝謝好 謝謝陳冠廷委員"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-06-17T11:28:57.049000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:28:57.409000+08:00","text":"我們請部長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-17T11:28:57.409000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:28:57.429000+08:00","text":"請部長，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-06-17T11:28:57.429000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T11:29:17.947000+08:00","text":"陳委員好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-06-17T11:29:17.947000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:29:18.127000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-06-17T11:29:18.547000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:29:33.679000+08:00","text":"部長，我看今天幾個委員們的討論，大概都是討論到，有些是討論到算力，有些是討論到高科技產業，重要的經貿產業等等，可是我還是要講一下，均衡臺灣絕對不是只有高科技喔。是。","quality":0.973},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-06-17T11:29:34.720000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:29:49.210000+08:00","text":"當你們說要更多電力來支持算力，或者是用更多的經費去支持這些企業的發展，那我們最基本的民生需求─水，自來水的延管現在還是遇到很大的挑戰。","quality":0.73},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-06-17T11:29:50.431000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:30:56.374000+08:00","text":"整個國家的經濟成長率在不斷的往上升，人均所得到4萬美元，我們的股市也是快要到5萬點，但是在一些偏鄉、在一些集水區域，他們的自來水還是沒有辦法延管，如果我們要照顧每一位需要照顧的民眾的話，我覺得這就是一個很大的落差，這個落差之大讓我們覺得很奇妙，就是說我們要花這麼多的錢，要普發、要做社會福利，但是不是只有把金錢發送給民眾才叫社會福利，最基本的公共建設就是自來水的延管，這是我們遇到的一個非常大的挑戰，至少在嘉義縣，不管是大埔鄉、中埔鄉、梅山鄉、阿里山鄉，還是有很多民眾根本就沒有辦法用到自來水，對於一個已發達國家來講，對於一個已經要成為G20的國家來講，我認為這個是在我們的國家裡面還未完成的一哩路，怎麼樣把自來水延管這個東西做好，我這邊就要來請教部長，你覺得我們近十年來物價的成長大概是多少？","quality":0.972},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-06-17T11:30:57.234000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:31:03.396000+08:00","text":"近十年來的施工，不管是任何的公共工程，是不是都會追加預算，增加許多經費？","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-06-17T11:31:03.396000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:31:04.997000+08:00","text":"是不是簡單的跟我們回應一下？會。","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-06-17T11:31:06.577000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:31:08.298000+08:00","text":"增加的幅度大概是百分之多少？","quality":0.923},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-06-17T11:31:08.838000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:31:13.641000+08:00","text":"我們現在分成兩個部分，延管的部分已經把每一個……","quality":0.905},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-06-17T11:31:13.801000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:31:27.451000+08:00","text":"我們一步一步來講，我說現在的公共工程，包含校舍的建置，或者是我們國防、外交有些軍營的建置，這些公共工程的經費大概是增加百分之多少？","quality":0.915},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-06-17T11:31:29.073000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:31:32.814000+08:00","text":"給我一個概念就好了，你自己的印象也好，或是你們自己掌握的數字也好。","quality":0.767},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-06-17T11:31:33.835000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:31:34.675000+08:00","text":"應該有六成到一倍。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-06-17T11:31:35.095000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:31:52.722000+08:00","text":"六成到一倍，那我跟你講一下，現在我們對自來水延管的要求，每戶的成本至少要在80萬以下，如果是在自來水區或者是集水區或者是在原住民的區域的話大概是100萬，這80萬到100萬的費用幾年沒有變了？","quality":0.912},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-06-17T11:31:54.783000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:31:59.247000+08:00","text":"在幾年沒有變的狀況之下，你還要讓他們自來水延管都要遇到這麼大的阻力嗎？","quality":0.939},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-06-17T11:31:59.247000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:32:06.632000+08:00","text":"你自己都說公共工程至少都已經增加到六成以上的話，我們現在還是維持80萬或者是100萬，這樣有合理嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-06-17T11:32:07.333000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:32:09.234000+08:00","text":"如果不合理的話，怎麼樣均衡臺灣？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-06-17T11:32:09.234000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:32:11.336000+08:00","text":"怎麼樣把水路的最後一哩路完成？","quality":0.929},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-06-17T11:32:11.976000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:32:19.622000+08:00","text":"基本的建設不是社會福利而已，是基礎建設裡面最重要的一環，難道自來水沒有辦法做整體規劃的調整嗎？","quality":0.955},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-06-17T11:32:21.343000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:32:21.723000+08:00","text":"不是這樣。","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-06-17T11:32:21.723000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:32:44.459000+08:00","text":"每一個人都要去評比，然後每次都達不到戶數的要求，變成又要拆戶、分戶，到最後不但自來水延管沒有辦法完成，甚至是簡易自來水隨著人口老化也沒有辦法組成管理委員會去管理，那這樣政府有做到要照顧、要均衡臺灣，讓每一位民眾都往前走一步，讓每一個縣市往前走一步，而不是讓首都往前走23步嗎？","quality":0.944},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-06-17T11:32:44.459000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:32:45.060000+08:00","text":"所以這是一個很簡單的問題，部長，你有什麼樣的看法？","quality":1},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-06-17T11:32:48.662000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:32:49.143000+08:00","text":"有什麼辦法去改進？","quality":0.5},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-06-17T11:32:50.204000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:33:03.975000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我們趨勢上還是有調整單位價格，比如說過去是40萬到60萬，然後調到80萬，現在已經要調到100萬，方向上還是一直在往這個方向在做。","quality":0.855},{"speaker":"陳委員冠廷","start":"2026-06-17T11:33:04.376000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T11:33:06.538000+08:00","text":"40萬到60萬的時間點是多久？","quali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