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是"},{"start":450.365,"end":472.783,"text":"好那我最後一個來問這個公有零售市場的轉型議題啦那我們知道說現在當然是因為像萬嘎伊當然是老齡化而且少子化的一個狀況是有的那所以現在很多傳統的一個公有市場事實上它是凋零的那我們也希望說這個傳統公有市場它可以轉型"},{"start":473.263,"end":481.046,"text":"那這個轉型也未必是說 已經把它打掉重建 未必是這樣它可能在它的既有空間裡面 還是可以讓它發揮它的傳統市場 有它傳統市場的美好的地方有些人都會說 我比較愛去這種比較有傳統味的地方去 去消費 買東西它還是有它好的地方"},{"start":497.333,"end":512.784,"text":"那站在我們的經濟部這邊我們要怎樣來推動讓這個傳統公有市場它可以重新活絡起來讓它就是如同講的真的可以轉型是 有關嘉義的部分我請那個署長來說明來 請署長"},{"start":514.605,"end":529.141,"text":"好 那跟委員說明那個其實在傳統市場我們協助上面大概有幾個面向啦那首先如果是環境面的部分我們一直有一些整個攤舖位或者是環境改善的一些協助那另外一個是在行銷推廣面像我們"},{"start":530.983,"end":547.448,"text":"大概每年都会提供给这个市场办那个好市加倍券,那主要就是吸引人潮进来,那像这个公有市场如果需要协助辅导的话,因为虽然是属于地方自治事项,但是经济部这边一直有跟地方一直在协助这个市场的一个发展。"},{"start":548.775,"end":571.683,"text":"包委員我要補充一下因為現在賴總統有在520有講說對中小微企業的這個協助會額外增加一千億嘛那平均來講一年會增加一百多億那我們會把包括這個地方上的這些公有零售市場也好或者是商圈也好會納入我們的補助範圍"},{"start":572.563,"end":589.573,"text":"那我們金額可以增加多一點來協助市長你講到補助啦所以我就想具體跟你講嘛市長像我們嘉義你像我們在街啦太薄啦 綠炒啦大拿跟破柱他們這裡的傳統市場使用率都很低啦"},{"start":590.634,"end":606.215,"text":"你如果說這間的第一零售市場使用率28很低那我現在以鋪子為例好了鋪子的 鋪住的第一市場使用率低 它有兩個面向的問題那這兩個第一個就是說 他們的白水"},{"start":607.196,"end":632.77,"text":"你也知道說現在的年輕人他要消費的時候他不會去那裡淡落落啦他會淡就覺得乾淨度嘛就是環境整備這個部分環境整備但是他的排水過去的膠袋都做得很清所以他如果稍微清一下就整個淡落落了所以這一種市場的一個優化第一個他的排水功能一定要想辦法把它提升"},{"start":633.81,"end":652.865,"text":"那就是他要清潔的水就可以擺水嘛,那些比較屬於污水的部分,這是第一類第二個,傳統市場勒,事實上他的競爭力的不足,來自於說,他們的店現在很少所以他們沒辦法用一個煮煮花,煮煮花裡面去靠近,讓這個傳統市場有利益"},{"start":657.386,"end":665.369,"text":"沒有冷氣 等於說現在年輕人要去那裡消費 天天要去吃東西 全身苦汗他的消費的動力就減少 啊他會變成一個惡性循環因為他去裡面消費的環境沒辦法 他的舒適度沒辦法提升啊舒適度沒提升的狀況之下 生意就漸漸賣掉啊生意賣掉了 這個市場喔 他要招商 就都人多在賣他就越來越弱化 你要期待他們多以後再來"},{"start":685.317,"end":686.458,"text":"我剛剛提到的就是說我們將來的預算可以有增加"},{"start":713.032,"end":730.618,"text":"那當然這個是要立法院同意啦那我想我們這個部分會跟地方政府來共同合作因為有些像這個地方性的傳統市場主要主責單位是地方政府但是我們會透過跟他共同合作補助的方式剛剛委員關心的比如說環境整備的部分剛剛"},{"start":731.798,"end":739.701,"text":"提到的污水還有這個環境 冷氣舒適等等的一些情況看怎麼樣把這個做好對啦 一個環境嘛 一個的舒適度嘛那些都是傳統市場過去 他們比較達不到的我們如果先讓他們這個環境也好 舒適度也好主人 大家覺得去那裡消費的空間就不錯而且那裡有傳統味 傳統味一定有他們的優勢"},{"start":756.846,"end":779.963,"text":"我們第一個補助一定先從它的這個公共領域然後公共事務那那個優先補助那個沒有問題是啊是啊我剛才講的都是公共空間喔我不是說它的店家自己的方法對你店家如果自己可以加裝冷氣或怎麼樣我們有其他的方案 節能當然啦 但是店家自己的我剛才指的是公共空間對 公共空間就是說你一個好的一個市場對不對 它要升級對不對它可能說好 它裡面有空調"},{"start":785.767,"end":810.703,"text":"這個很重要 但是他現在就已經落後了 你要怎麼叫他們的店家我們再來求錢 我們來支撐空調看起來需要政府用幾年的時間讓他用一些預算 然後用幾天的時間讓他供起來看看看能不能招商順利 招商已經有這個點子開始大家就開始求錢了 自然後來就不需要政府的補助了啊是 是 是 好不好 去思考看看 好不好 謝謝"},{"start":813.53,"end":816.741,"text":"好謝謝蔡議員然後也謝謝部長"}],"gazette":[{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-17T12:15:23.089000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:15:23.449000+08:00","text":"謝謝召委。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-17T12:15:35.640000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:15:41.265000+08:00","text":"我們是不是有請部長，以及產業園區管理局楊局長？","quality":1},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-17T12:15:41.265000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:15:45.729000+08:00","text":"請部長跟楊局長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-06-17T12:15:45.729000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:15:46.030000+08:00","text":"蔡委員好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-17T12:15:46.650000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:15:46.770000+08:00","text":"部長好。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-17T12:15:47.790000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:16:07.998000+08:00","text":"部長，我想跟你聊一下，因為我們賴總統在上個月有宣示，未來會由經濟部來推動一個叫做中小微企業的升級轉型，甚至會透過中小微企業發展條例的法案，可能也會編一個叫做8年計畫。","quality":0.947},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-17T12:16:07.998000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:16:17.522000+08:00","text":"這個8年計畫看起來有達到1,000億的規模，當然就是希望可以讓臺灣……過去臺灣整個經濟發展的命脈就是經濟部所轄的工業產業園區或者是科學園區。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-17T12:16:17.582000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:16:18.443000+08:00","text":"你們現在整體的大戰略，要怎麼促進這些產業園區可以達到賴清德總統所說的，可以讓它們升級？","quality":0.975},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-17T12:16:18.523000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:16:18.863000+08:00","text":"部長，你們的規劃方向是怎樣？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-06-17T12:16:46.620000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:16:56.284000+08:00","text":"報告委員，以過去來講，我們希望還是有一個區域的生態系，整個產業的生態系可以完整起來。","quality":0.868},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-06-17T12:16:56.284000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:17:13.677000+08:00","text":"現在我們當然知道，高科技產業因為受到國際間需求的影響，它發展得非常好，但我們希望它的效果可以外溢到很多的中小微企業，甚至是它的供應商和傳統產業，那是透過整個區域的發展把它連結起來、共同發展起來。","quality":0.967},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-17T12:17:14.078000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:17:15.199000+08:00","text":"如部長你說的，這個連結有兩個方向，一個就是這些科技業可能未來所需要的原物料……","quality":0.886},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-06-17T12:17:15.199000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T12:17:16.199000+08:00","text":"跟設備。","quality":0},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-17T12:17:15.359000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:17:15.899000+08:00","text":"我們儘量希望是在地，臺灣生產、臺灣製造。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-17T12:17:28.530000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:17:36.779000+08:00","text":"臺灣製造的就是未來科技業所需要的整體設備的來源，這是第一個。對。","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-17T12:17:37.840000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:17:40.523000+08:00","text":"第二個連結，我認為交通的連結也很重要。","quality":0.941},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-17T12:17:41.704000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:17:44.888000+08:00","text":"既然談到交通的連結，我就舉嘉義為例。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-17T12:17:45.589000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:17:52.215000+08:00","text":"事實上，在嘉義我們有幾個產業園區現在在開發中，有的是我們縣政府開發的。","quality":0.969},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-17T12:17:52.636000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:18:06.800000+08:00","text":"就像我們嘉義現在正在開發的馬稠後產業園區跟現在南科管理局所開發的科學園區，未來在這裡交通會打結，因為產業一直在進駐中。","quality":0.982},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-17T12:18:07.380000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:18:19.183000+08:00","text":"我們也知道現在那裡整個的交通流量都是靠東西向快速道路，就是台82線單一條來做整個交通的疏散。","quality":0.976},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-17T12:18:20.523000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:18:27.365000+08:00","text":"你要想像未來台積電員工正式進駐後，這裡的交通打結的狀況。","quality":0.846},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-17T12:18:28.305000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:18:34.086000+08:00","text":"這樣的產業園區升級的計畫，包括交通的解決方案都會在裡面嗎？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-06-17T12:18:35.756000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:18:36.477000+08:00","text":"對，我們也會考量。","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-06-17T12:18:38.058000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:18:45.282000+08:00","text":"有些是地方政府，有些是交通部，我們來跟他們做一些協商，讓園區的開發還有產業的進駐可以順利去完成。","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-06-17T12:18:45.442000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:18:57.888000+08:00","text":"在我們六大核心各個關鍵的發展當中，交通的議案本來就會在裡面作為一個很重要的項目。","quality":0.816},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-17T12:18:57.888000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T12:18:58.888000+08:00","text":"交通就很重要嘛！對。","quality":0},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-17T12:18:58.208000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:19:07.532000+08:00","text":"所以像這次大南方新矽谷計畫就有一案，就是台37線的高鐵橋下道路的一個延伸嘛！對。","quality":0.857},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-17T12:19:07.672000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:19:15.616000+08:00","text":"就是希望未來可以把嘉科、南科跟高雄的科學園區，透過S廊帶的串聯，把這樣一個由半導體以台積電為龍頭帶領讓這些產業可以串聯在一起，這個是大南方新矽谷計畫。","quality":0.871},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-17T12:19:15.876000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:19:44.941000+08:00","text":"以我現在看到的，我們嘉義除了科學園區，就是台積電CoWoS的基地，未來在馬稠後，經濟部產業園區管理局也有在規劃一個45公頃的半導體供應鏈。","quality":0.871},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-06-17T12:19:44.941000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T12:19:45.941000+08:00","text":"對，供應鏈。","quality":0},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-17T12:19:45.201000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:19:46.082000+08:00","text":"你們有沒有想過？","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-17T12:19:47.103000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:20:20.559000+08:00","text":"在這樣的半導體供應鏈跟科學園區，如果你們可以透過一個高架路段，直接進入到園區裡面，從馬稠後直接有一條高架路段，它除了中間經過台82線之外，就可以讓它直接拉到科學園區，對於這些產業園區交通的串聯……而且這樣的交通流量又不用跟當地的居民打結，這樣的串聯是有意義的，交通部也正在規劃。","quality":0.937},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-17T12:20:20.739000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:20:36.193000+08:00","text":"我認為站在產業園區整體的提升，交通既然這麼重要，我也希望未來應該要幫忙協助，把交通部正在規劃的這樣的路線可以用高架的方式直接進入到園區，這樣有辦法嗎？","quality":0.771},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-06-17T12:20:38.640000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:20:47.405000+08:00","text":"我們當然方向上是支持，但是這個是交通部主責，我們還是會跟交通部來做跨部會的協商跟協調，也讓他可以盡力完成。","quality":0.918},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-06-17T12:20:47.925000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:21:08.579000+08:00","text":"的確就像剛才委員講的，有關台積電的CoWoS，因為它是屬於後端的製程，後端製程依賴我們國內的供應鏈，它是非常非常重要的，快速……當然先進的部分，他可能有國際的和國外的，但是後端的CoWoS的部分，跟我們國內的供應商是非常地連結……","quality":0.816},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-17T12:21:08.579000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T12:21:09.579000+08:00","text":"很重要嘛！","quality":0},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-06-17T12:21:09.240000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:21:11.001000+08:00","text":"所以這個部分是非常重要的。好。","quality":0.769},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-17T12:21:12.282000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:21:18.889000+08:00","text":"我當然希望，除了你剛剛講的後端供應鏈的串聯，交通的串聯也很重要。","quality":0.931},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-17T12:21:18.909000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:21:19.510000+08:00","text":"部長，所以這個部分我們要趕快來計劃啦！","quality":0.353},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-17T12:21:20.090000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:21:21.112000+08:00","text":"眼看台積電CoWoS就要開始了，我們要先規劃在前面，這件事情很重要。是。","quality":0.438},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-17T12:21:29.360000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:21:34.563000+08:00","text":"第二個是我一直在關心的，就是水上南靖產業園區的開發進度。","quality":0.808},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-17T12:21:35.004000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:21:47.410000+08:00","text":"因為它在開發的過程有發現一些文資，所以它在開發中當然對於文資的保護是一個優先的考量，但是它還是要有進度，要往前推進。","quality":0.852},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-17T12:21:47.991000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:21:50.612000+08:00","text":"我想要了解一下，目前整個南靖產業園區的開發進度究竟是如何呢？","quality":0.964},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-06-17T12:21:50.612000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T12:21:51.612000+08:00","text":"我請局長說明一下好不好？","quality":0},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-17T12:21:50.812000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:21:50.832000+08:00","text":"來，請局長，謝謝。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊局長志清","start":"2026-06-17T12:21:56.335000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:21:56.775000+08:00","text":"謝謝委員關心。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊局長志清","start":"2026-06-17T12:21:57.796000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:22:01.397000+08:00","text":"這個的確有文資的議題，縣政府也很協助，也很幫忙。","quality":0.952},{"speaker":"楊局長志清","start":"2026-06-17T12:22:01.898000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:22:07.440000+08:00","text":"所以整個文資的議題大概在5月底的時候，我們依照雙方同意的計畫書都清查完畢了。","quality":0.971},{"speaker":"楊局長志清","start":"2026-06-17T12:22:08.540000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:22:17.764000+08:00","text":"現在就是等7月的時候我們把它整理好，就送進去給嘉義縣文化局繼續做審議，來做相關後續的進度。","quality":1},{"speaker":"楊局長志清","start":"2026-06-17T12:22:18.464000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:22:26.850000+08:00","text":"副縣長層級也非常關心整個園區的進展，我們會再跟縣府一起合作，趕快來督促相關進度的推進。","quality":0.95},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-17T12:22:27.932000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:22:28.913000+08:00","text":"所以你們是說7月底？","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"楊局長志清","start":"2026-06-17T12:22:28.913000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T12:22:29.913000+08:00","text":"是，7月要送文化局。","quality":0},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-17T12:22:29.693000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:22:36.376000+08:00","text":"7月底就會送文化局，那相關的整個開發進度就會往前推進了嘛？是。","quality":0.815},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-17T12:22:37.737000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:22:50.964000+08:00","text":"因為發現文資是一個狀況，但是除了要做好文資的保護之外，園區整體的後續推動，我覺得還是要請局長再大力推動一下，這樣好嗎？","quality":0.778},{"speaker":"楊局長志清","start":"2026-06-17T12:22:51.184000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:22:51.304000+08:00","text":"是，會來關切。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-17T12:22:53.365000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:22:57.048000+08:00","text":"好，我最後來問有關公有零售市場的轉型議題。","quality":0.895},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-17T12:22:58.009000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:23:15.763000+08:00","text":"我們知道現在嘉義當然是有老齡化而且少子化的狀況，所以現在很多傳統的公有市場事實上是凋零的，我們也希望傳統公有市場可以轉型。","quality":0.948},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-17T12:23:16.803000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:23:23.246000+08:00","text":"這個轉型未必一定把它打掉重建，可能在它的既有空間裡面，還是可以讓它發揮……傳統市場有傳統市場美好的地方。","quality":0.957},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-17T12:23:23.266000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:23:23.846000+08:00","text":"有些人會說：「我比較喜歡去這種比較有傳統味道的地方消費和買東西。","quality":0.862},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-17T12:23:23.866000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:23:24.026000+08:00","text":"」它還是有它好的地方。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-17T12:23:40.593000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:23:49.820000+08:00","text":"站在我們經濟部這邊，我們要怎樣來推動，讓傳統公有市場可以重新活絡起來？","quality":1},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-17T12:23:51.040000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:23:52.321000+08:00","text":"如同講的，真的可以轉型？","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-06-17T12:23:53.582000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:23:55.424000+08:00","text":"有關於嘉義的部分，我請署長來說明。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-17T12:23:55.764000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:23:55.784000+08:00","text":"來，請署長。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇署長文玲","start":"2026-06-17T12:23:57.985000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:24:02.470000+08:00","text":"跟委員說明，其實在傳統市場，我們協助上面大概有幾個面向。","quality":1},{"speaker":"蘇署長文玲","start":"2026-06-17T12:24:03.852000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:24:19.445000+08:00","text":"首先，如果是環境面的部分，我們一直有一些攤（鋪）位或者是環境改善的協助；另外一個是在行銷推廣面，像我們大概每年都會提供給這些市場辦理好市加倍券，主要就是吸引人潮進來。","quality":0.867},{"speaker":"蘇署長文玲","start":"2026-06-17T12:24:21.585000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:24:30.428000+08:00","text":"公有市場如果需要協助輔導的話，雖然是屬於地方自治事項，但是經濟部這邊有跟地方一直在協助市場的發展。","quality":0.652},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-06-17T12:24:31.995000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:24:33.116000+08:00","text":"報告委員，我補充一下。好。","quality":0.7},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-06-17T12:24:33.476000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:24:40.558000+08:00","text":"因為賴總統在520有提到對中小微企業的協助……","quality":0.889},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-17T12:24:40.558000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T12:24:41.799000+08:00","text":"支持嘛！","quality":0},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-06-17T12:24:41.799000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:24:42.819000+08:00","text":"會額外增加1,000億嘛！","quality":0.875},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-06-17T12:24:44.019000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:24:46.440000+08:00","text":"平均來講，一年會增加一百多億。","quality":1},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-06-17T12:24:46.760000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:24:58.965000+08:00","text":"我們會把包括地方上的公有零售市場也好，或者是商圈也好，都納入我們的補助範圍，我們金額可以增加多一點來協助剛剛您提到的傳統市場……","quality":0.831},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-17T12:24:59.105000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:25:02.447000+08:00","text":"部長，你剛才有提到補助，所以我就想具體跟你講。","quality":0.75},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-17T12:25:03.347000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:25:12.413000+08:00","text":"事實上，像我們嘉義的竹崎、太保、鹿草、大林跟朴子的傳統市場使用率都很低。","quality":0.613},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-17T12:25:13.754000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:25:17.659000+08:00","text":"例如竹崎的第一零售市場使用率是28%，很低！","quality":0.722},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-17T12:25:18.360000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:25:26.952000+08:00","text":"我現在以朴子為例好了，朴子的第一市場使用率低，它有兩個面向的問題。","quality":0.933},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-17T12:25:27.513000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:25:28.834000+08:00","text":"第一個就是排水的問題。","quality":0.6},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-17T12:25:30.196000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:25:34.458000+08:00","text":"你也知道現在的年輕人要消費，他不要去那種溼答答的地方。","quality":0.68},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-17T12:25:38.521000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:25:40.381000+08:00","text":"溼溼的，就會覺得有乾淨度的問題，對不對？是。","quality":0.333},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-06-17T12:25:40.722000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:25:41.822000+08:00","text":"就是環境整備這個部分，我們會來……","quality":0.714},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-17T12:25:42.583000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:25:43.303000+08:00","text":"對，環境整備。","quality":0.8},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-17T12:25:43.303000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:25:49.706000+08:00","text":"但是它的排水……以前的水溝都做得很淺，所以如果稍微清一下，就整個溼答答了。","quality":0.719},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-17T12:25:50.347000+08:00","guessed":false,"end":"2026-06-17T12:25:57.051000+08:00","text":"所以這種市場的優化，第一個，它的排水功能一定要想辦法提升。是。","quality":0.963},{"speaker":"蔡委員易餘","start":"2026-06-17T12:25:57.811000+08:00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,"end":"2026-06-17T12:29:14.826714+08:00","text":"第一個，再生能源的比例去年是13%，剛剛部長有說大概預估今年是15%。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-17T12:29:15.126714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T12:29:22.269571+08:00","text":"再來，明年上半年森崴能源的部分應該可以順利發電，對不對？","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-17T12:29:22.569571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T12:29:23.712429+08:00","text":"大概幾月？","quality":0},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-06-17T12:29:24.012429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T12:29:28.012429+08:00","text":"可能要問一下，不過我們原則上會……","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-17T12:29:28.312429+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T12:29:29.455286+08:00","text":"上半年嘛？","quality":0},{"speaker":"龔部長明鑫","start":"2026-06-17T12:29:29.755286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T12:29:30.898143+08:00","text":"上半年。好。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-17T12:29:31.198143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T12:29:42.341000+08:00","text":"再來，300坪屋頂型的光電面板的設置，可能請經濟部跟內政部要有完整的配套措施，不宜貿然進行。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-17T12:29:42.641000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T12:29:48.069571+08:00","text":"我是建議政府機關可以全面來做這樣的實施。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-17T12:29:48.369571+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T12:29:54.655286+08:00","text":"另外，執政黨政府常常在講非紅的供應鏈，的確很重要。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-17T12:29:54.955286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T12:30:06.383857+08:00","text":"所以不管是在無人機或光電面板，請遵照行政院公共工程委員會採購條例所要求的去落實查核。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-17T12:30:06.683857+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T12:30:13.541000+08:00","text":"到底是誰查核，也在你們推動政策的時候一併要說明清楚。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-17T12:30:13.841000+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T12:30:21.555286+08:00","text":"我想這個跟你們今年的預算，甚至明年的預算都有很直接的關係。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-17T12:30:21.855286+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T12:30:28.998143+08:00","text":"好，登記發言的委員除不在場外，其餘均已發言完畢，詢答結束。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-17T12:30:29.298143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T12:30:36.726714+08:00","text":"委員邱議瑩、傅崐萁、張嘉郡所提書面質詢，列入紀錄，並刊登公報。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-17T12:30:37.026714+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T12:30:45.598143+08:00","text":"書面質詢和未及答復部分，請相關單位於一週內以書面答復並副知本會。","quality":0},{"speaker":"主席","start":"2026-06-17T12:30:45.898143+08:00","guessed":true,"end":"2026-06-17T12:30:49.326714+08:00","text":"委員另要求期限者，從其所定。","quality":0}]}},"supported_relations":[],"relations":[]}